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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:01:27 PM   
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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:02:03 PM   
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*makes a lard, butter, and cheeto sandwich*


Level, you devil!  you almost made me choke to death!  (can i have a bite?)


 Yes, you may.
 
I added the cheetos for "good carbs", I don't want anyone's kidneys to explode, ya know.

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:02:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		seriously, i've got some lard, some bacon, a bunch of apples and some wheat bread....if Level will share, then we can have cheetos too!

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:03:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Level

*makes a lard, butter, and cheeto sandwich*


Level, you devil!  you almost made me choke to death!  (can i have a bite?)


whatever you do..don't give her CPR if she chokes! Just ask the poor bastard who is walking around with his tongue in his pocket...



lol holly......

*artist rendition of the CPR guy*

Before:

After:

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:04:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		aw, thanks Level. ~~~wipes cheeto crumbs from my mouth~~~  anybody got some sacharrin filled soda?

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:05:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: christine1

seriously, i've got some lard, some bacon, a bunch of apples and some wheat bread....if Level will share, then we can have cheetos too!


I'll bring the peanut butter cups. Peanut butter is protein, right? Chocolate doesn't count when is covers protein....*nods*

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:07:34 PM   
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lol holly......

*artist rendition of the CPR guy*

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LMAO...bet he'll never do that again!  HE CAN'T...BUT THATS BESIDE THE POINT

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:09:15 PM   
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ummmm....anybody want some bacon?  ~~smiles my bestest~~


i LOVE bacon, just hate cooking it. ouchy

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:10:16 PM   
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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:10:41 PM   
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No carbs in them, right?

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:11:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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lol holly......

*artist rendition of the CPR guy*

Before:

After:


LMAO...bet he'll never do that again!  HE CAN'T...BUT THATS BESIDE THE POINT



Yes, that's beside the point........ hmm. Is there a point left in this thread? Or was there one to begin with?

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:12:47 PM   
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Is there a point left in this thread? Or was there one to begin with?

Yes, there was, and enough is enough.  Folks who want to play around can toddle over to the Random Stupidity forum and play there.

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:29:01 PM   
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Level...i am not saying a low carb diet is a bad thing. But....if you have a green veggie with lunch and dinner you are looking at 15-20 carbs for both meals. Sometimes people go overboard and try to have NO carbs at all, just protein.


You mean, kind of like the hunter-gatherers we evolved from who went into seasonal ketosis due to lack of carbohydrate availability in the environment?  Or the Inuit or any of the far Northern-living tribes who have almost zero carb consumption year round?  Or rather, had almost zero carb consumption, and almost no diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney, heart or liver disease in the population, until they started eating Western style.

Homo sapiens is optimally evolved to live in seasonal ketosis and does fine in permanent ketosis.  This isn't to say it's the metabolically ideal state for everyone, but speaking for the species as a whole and its evolutionary history, it's a normal and healthy state for us. 

I moderate a list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alt_fitness for poly, pervy. GLBT and BDSM folks to talk fitness and nutrition, and y'all are welcome on it. 



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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:36:02 PM   
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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:36:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can you have zero carbs? Almost everything has carbs..cept meat.

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:41:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many of the people she's talking about rarely had any carbs to eat.... the existed on meat, primarily. They often didn't have a choice.

< Message edited by Level -- 3/18/2008 7:42:29 PM >

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 7:51:32 PM   
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How can you have zero carbs? Almost everything has carbs..cept meat.


Well, if you live in an area that either permanently or seasonally has no vegetation other than lichen and coniferous trees, then your diet is pretty much exclusively meat and fat.  That would be a zero or near zero carb diet.   Your most abundant carb sources in that environment would be tiny sour berries, boiled lichen and pine needle tea.  Crop contents of animals may also be eaten, consisting of partly digested grass and leaves.  None of those things is very high in carbs, though they do contain some useful vitamins.  And that's really it; there is nothing else carby to be had.   The Inuit and other indigenous peoples have done very well on that diet for thousands of years. 

< Message edited by Najakcharmer -- 3/18/2008 7:52:39 PM >

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 8:25:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just happen to have a cookbook my ex sis-in-law gave me, Cooking Alaskan, that has a section on wild edible flora. I'll list some of the items.
Beach Asparagus
Beach Greens
Birch leaves
Blueberries
Cattail
Chickweed
Chives
Coltsfoot
Dandelion
Eskimo Potato
Fiddlehead fern
Fireweed (beautiful and ubiquitous)
Highbush Cranberries
Indian Rice
Juniper
Lambsquarters (similar to spinach)
Mare's Tail
Mousenuts
Mushrooms (shaggy mane, morels, giant puffball (saw one growing through asphalt up near Fairbanks), chicken of the woods)
Nettles
Pink Plume
Roseroot
Salmonberries
Scurvy grass
Seaweed and Kelp
Sourdock (wild spinach)
Sourgrass (mountain sorrel)
Spruce Gum (pitch)
Strawberry Spinach
Violets
Wild Celery
Wild Cucumber
Willow
Winter Cress
Woolly Lousewort (book says they taste like sweet young carrots)
Yarrow




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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 8:47:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Link to Vilhjalmur Stefansson's Adventured in Diet: http://www.apinchofhealth.com/resources/lowcarb/stefansson-adventures-in-diet-part-one.html
 
For those curious about an all-meat, or damn near all meat diet.

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RE: Is there any way to stop carb cravings? - 3/18/2008 8:50:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just about every item you mentioned is relatively to extremely low in carbohydrates as well as calories, and could not be a highly sustaining food for Arctic living.  In addition, most are only seasonally available, and are not available at all in the further North regions inhabited by some indigenous peoples.  The energy to calorie ratio to gather some of these foods is fairly low, making them less practical for survival than essential meat and fat. 

BTW, the "eskimo potato" is a legume, and it has some known cases of serious toxicity associated.  "Indian rice" is a lily, and it is seasonal and limited to the southernmost coastal regions of Alaska.   Overconsumption of plants from the lily family tends to have unpleasant side effects.  Essentially you're talking about meat, fat, salad and some low-carb berries, with a few edible but non starchy roots.  That would pretty much be the Atkins diet.  Many of the plants that do potentially offer some nutrient value have also evolved significant toxicity to discourage predation, and are not easy or reliable calorie sources.

For all practical purposes, in an Arctic environment, concentrated energy sources are essential.  Ergo, meat and fat.  Low calorie salads simply don't supply sufficient energy for the stomach space.  The supplemental vitamins are useful, and are often ingested in the form of a tea (eg, pine needles, spruce gum, Labrador tea or scurvy grass).  They do not add significant calories or carbohydrates to the diet.

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