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I think I already posted on this thread.  You end carb cravings by eating carbs.  You'll die without carbs, so it's important to eat them.

No idea why people keep believing in that myth, since it was pretty thoroughly disproved back in the 1800's.  You might try reading a thread before posting stuff on it that's already been debunked. 

BTW, garlic cheddar biscuits are *excellent* done low carb style.  I actually like the almond meal/soy grits/wheat protein isolate version better than the standard white flour one.  I'm not doing low carb these days since I'm using different metabolic tweaks to add muscle rather than dropping fat, and I miss the food a lot.   Low fat is *much* less tasty, and not nearly as effective for long term weight loss.

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
I am not much of a bread, rice, or pasta gal... but damn it I will not exclude veggies and fruit and whole grains. Or the occasional bagel. *smiles*

Gwyn

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No idea why people keep believing in that myth, since it was pretty thoroughly disproved back in the 1800's.  You might try reading a thread before posting stuff on it that's already been debunked. 

BTW, garlic cheddar biscuits are *excellent* done low carb style.  I actually like the almond meal/soy grits/wheat protein isolate version better than the standard white flour one.  I'm not doing low carb these days since I'm using different metabolic tweaks to add muscle rather than dropping fat, and I miss the food a lot.   Low fat is *much* less tasty, and not nearly as effective for long term weight loss.

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Scott, in 1900, sought the most orthodox scientific counsel when outfitting his first expedition. He followed advice by carrying lime juice and by picking up quantities of fruits and vegetable things as he passed New Zealand on his way to the Antarctic. He saw to it that the diet was "wholesome," that the men took exercise, that they bathed and had plenty of fresh air. Yet scurvy broke out and the subsequently famous Shackleton was crippled by it on a journey. They were pulling their own sledges at the time so they must of had enough exercise. There was plenty of light with the sun beating on them, and there was plenty of fresh air. To believers in the catch words and slogans of their day, to believers in the virtues of lime juice, the onset of the scurvy was a baffling mystery.

That is was Shackleton's scurvy which most interfered with the success of the first Scott expedition was particularly unfortunate, if you think of the jealousies it aroused, the enmities it caused. Scurvy, as disease go, is really one of the cleanest and least obnoxious; but in English the name of it is a term of opprobrium - "a scurvy fellow," "a scurvy trick." Shackleton may have smarted as much under that word-association as he did under the charge that his weakness had been Scott's main handicap. The passion to clear his name, in every sense, drove him to the organization of an expedition, which many in Britain considered unethical - a subordinate, with indecent haste and insistence, crowding forward to eclipse his commander.

The crucial element in the first Shackleton expedition, to the students of scurvy, is the fact that Shackelton was an Elizabethan throwback in the time of Edward VII. He was a Hawkins or a Drake, a buccaneer in spirit and method. He talked louder and more than is good form in modern England. He approached near to brag and swagger. He caused frictions, aroused and fanned jealousies, and won the breathless admiration of youngsters who would have followed Dampier and Frobisher with equal enthusiasm in their piracies and in their explorations.

The organization, and the rest of the first Shackleton expedition, went with a hurrah. They were as careless as Scott had been careful; they did not have Scott's type of backing, scientific or financial. They arrived helter skelter on the shores of the Antarctic Continent, pitched camp, and discovered that they did not have enough food for the winter, nor had they taken such painstaking care as Scott to provide themselves with fruits or other antiscorbutics in New Zealand. Compared with Scott's, their routine was slipshod as to cleanliness, exercise, and several of the ordinary hygienic prescriptions.

What signifies is that Scott's men, with unlimited quantities of jams and marmalades, cereals and fruits, grains, curries, and potted meats, had been little inclined to add seals and penguins to their dietary. With Shackleton it was neither wisdom or acceptance of good advise but dire necessity which drove to such use of penguin and seal that Dr. Alister Forbes Mackay, physician from Edinburgh, who was a member of that Shackleton expedition and later physician of my ship the Karluk, told me he estimated half the food during their stay in the Antarctic was fresh meat.

In spite of the lack of care, (indeed, as we now see it, because of their lack), Shackleton had better average health than Scott. There was never a sign of scurvy; every man retained his full strength; and they accomplished that spring what most authorities still consider the greatest physical achievement ever made in the southern polar regions. With men dragging the sledge a considerable part of the way, they got to latitude 88° 23 S., practically within sight of the Pole.

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Even if a carnivore diet were to bring on scurvy, a simple vitamin supplement would suffice to prevent it.

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I've lost 45 pounds in 4 months and have another 50 pounds to go. So it works for me. Now if I can just become a multi-millionaire I'll be set but that might take a few years ;-)