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Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 8:42:53 AM   
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i was once told by my ex that even when a sub/slave is released the Master will always still own a piece of her, that the bond will never fully be broken.  i didn't put much stock into what he said at the time as i have had many relationships over the course of my life, some long term and when they ended, they ended.  i never looked back nor had regrets and if i ran into that person there was no sense of intimacy or bond left in the slightest degree. 

i haven't been with my ex in over 3 years, we were together for 5 and as circumstances have it we must see each other one to two times a month (personal reasons i don't want to delve into here, suffice it to say this won't change for at least one to one and a half years). 

i won't go into details but the break up was difficult and there was much emotional turmoil at the time - lots of loose ends that never came together for the right kind of closure one needs to really put it to rest.  Sometimes those are things we just have to deal with when things don't turn out as expected in relationships.  i don't wish or want to be with him again on a D/s level.  He's offered to "play", still hints around to it when i see him, and i have declined graciously.  i live a fairly "normal" life - i work hard, raise my girls, etc so i function day to day and get done what needs doing.  i'm not a wishy washy person and i don't like to waver when i have made a decision - after it is well thought out, i like to carry it through to it's conclusion.  What bothers me is that when i am around him i react physically - i feel lighter, happier, those old feelings come to the surface although i know they are not appropriate and i don't want them to surface, yet i cannot deny their existence.  i get angry at myself at times telling myself i am being weak or even at times bereating myself for being what i consider foolish.  i know i won't ever act on those emotions. i will keep the distance i need and never get involved intimately with him again but i guess my question to anyone reading this post is, will this always be the way it is, was he right in that there will always be a part of me he still "owns"?  If it had only been 6 months i would say time, but 3 years later?  i don't want to have emotional or visceral reactions when i am with him and i look forward to the day i don't have to deal with him, even though i know there will be a void, maybe always there, that i will feel.  Anyone have similar reactions/experiences and if so how did it turn out in the long run? 

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 8:47:35 AM   
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Honestly, you may never get it back. You may, however, come to the realization that you don't need, or even want, it back. That you can be happy and whole, love someone else, even without it.

You might even find that it wouldn't even fit you any long anyway.


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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 8:50:28 AM   
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Maybe the experience changed you; and change can be painful. Embracing change instead of resisting it can help. I might be totally off the mark though...



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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 8:53:36 AM   
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You may always have a physical reaction to him, simply becasue the good times together have enough of a pull to get your body to do so. I still have slight reactions around certain exs that I havent dated for more than 10 years. It does get better, time helps dim the reactions when they arent acted upon, and geting involved with someone else also takes their edge off. Dont get upset about the reactions, just remember they are to what used to be there, and not what it turned into later.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 8:54:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Honestly, you may never get it back. You may, however, come to the realization that you don't need, or even want, it back. That you can be happy and whole, love someone else, even without it.

You might even find that it wouldn't even fit you any long anyway.



I agree.

Positive or negative experiences all change us and I do not think it is possible to go back to the original state.

So you can only work on going ahead. Over time, as you develop other parts of yourself and expand those parts that were affected, the pain will lessen until hopefully the negative is just a dull feeling. At least that's been my experience as a dominant who went through a very painful ending of a "DS" dynamic many years ago.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 8:57:31 AM   
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Im pretty sure the pieces my X Master owns of me...I would not welcome back.  I have grown a great deal lately and have no space for those pieces in my life any longer.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:00:18 AM   
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LaTigress i have tried to accept it and let it go at that, but it has intefered in the formation of new relationships, like having a ghost show up thats unwanted and unexpected.   How can someone give themselves to another when they still have these kinds of reactions?  i would feel dishonest, so in a sense it is holding me back.

kittensol the relationship definately changed me, i embace those changes and am grateful for them.  Every relationship i have ever had has left it's impression on me in some form or another.  Some i look back on with fondness and some with relief they are over, but none of them do i still feel emotional and physical effects from.  It's like a grip on me that i can't get out of. 

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:02:02 AM   
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I had a horrible ending to a D/s relationship that took me literally years to recover from.  I still have all sorts of untapped rage that I can send in the creature's direction, should we have the mischance to meet again, but now I can be amused at what happy memories I have, and be glad for the good I got out of the debacle. 

Sincere emotions generate lifetime memories.  What they evolve into can be good, if we allow it to be.  Let the bad stuff fade away and try not to repeat whatever mistakes you made.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:03:48 AM   
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Velvet,

     I must say I can relate to your position, and as much as I would love to say oh it will go away, I must say it may never. You forged a deep bond with this man and seeing him must be much akin to tearing the healing scab off of a fresh wound. You have not been able to allow it to heal and it seems to leave you with a fresh pain. You chastise yourself because when he is near and possibly even just the thought of him brings a visercal or emotional reaction, just remember what you gave to him. It will take much time to begin to heal, and you will need time to yourself to think things through in my opinion. Will you ever be whole again or have that piece of you back? No, we leave bits of ourselves with all that we have loved, and those that have loved us also leave their own bits behind with us when they are gone. Do you feel whole? It comes to a point where you know you have left behind a piece of yourself, your heart, your soul, but you must know it is your marker in anothers life and nothing more sweetie. You are whole, you miss a piece here and there but think of it as breadcrumbs in your trail. I must sound quite silly but these thoughts made it easier for me. If you wish to talk more message me on the other side.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:03:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Honestly, you may never get it back. You may, however, come to the realization that you don't need, or even want, it back. That you can be happy and whole, love someone else, even without it.

You might even find that it wouldn't even fit you any long anyway.



LaT
What a GRRREAT way to put it....especially the last sentence- BEAUTIFUL!

(=files it away inside brain=)

Edited to add:  velvettears: i don't know that this is a D/s M/s thing, as i have had this happen with past vanilla relationships.


< Message edited by daddyncherry -- 3/18/2008 9:05:21 AM >


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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:04:45 AM   
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LaTigress i have tried to accept it and let it go at that, but it has intefered in the formation of new relationships, like having a ghost show up thats unwanted and unexpected.   How can someone give themselves to another when they still have these kinds of reactions?  i would feel dishonest, so in a sense it is holding me back.

kittensol the relationship definately changed me, i embace those changes and am grateful for them.  Every relationship i have ever had has left it's impression on me in some form or another.  Some i look back on with fondness and some with relief they are over, but none of them do i still feel emotional and physical effects from.  It's like a grip on me that i can't get out of. 


Velvet, all I can tell you is what I did. I avoided beginning a new relationship until I knew there wasn't going to be a ghost jepardizing a new relationship. I had to. It would not have been fair to the new person.

I focused on taking care of me. Personal growth, trying to learn more to avoid the mistakes I made in the past.

Also......I've come to accept that what I felt for her, it's never going to disappear as though it never happened. Not without a lobotomy. But you know, that's okay too. I don't have to stop loving her to love someone else.


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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:05:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

Dont get upset about the reactions, just remember they are to what used to be there, and not what it turned into later.

DV



That is what i tell myself and part of what causes the confusion - this helps keep it in perspective and why i decline any kind of physical play with him.  Sometimes i wonder if i allowed myself to express more of the anger i felt i would have an easier time now.  But that would be ludicrous now.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:06:07 AM   
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this slave had an ex tell her once that NO-ONE would want her after he was done with her...
 
it took about 3 years, accompanied by non-conventional and non-pharmaceutical therapies to work past it.  this slave feels nothing for him now.  no hatred, no love, just...nothing.
 
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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:14:47 AM   
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Positive or negative experiences all change us and I do not think it is possible to go back to the original state.

So you can only work on going ahead. Over time, as you develop other parts of yourself and expand those parts that were affected, the pain will lessen until hopefully the negative is just a dull feeling. At least that's been my experience as a dominant who went through a very painful ending of a "DS" dynamic many years ago.


i don't really feel the pain of the break up anymore, in that sense i have moved on, it's this annoying feeling of - how can this person still affect my emotions (in the present) after all this time.  i know it's not possible to go back to the original state and thats most of what tears a person apart when they first break up - it did me and took a long time to process and get over.  That aspect is worked out - this little remnant remains like a thorn in my side though. 

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:20:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I had a horrible ending to a D/s relationship that took me literally years to recover from.  I still have all sorts of untapped rage that I can send in the creature's direction, should we have the mischance to meet again, but now I can be amused at what happy memories I have, and be glad for the good I got out of the debacle. 

Sincere emotions generate lifetime memories.  What they evolve into can be good, if we allow it to be.  Let the bad stuff fade away and try not to repeat whatever mistakes you made.


i felt rage at one time but i am more the type to let things go and walk away - especially when i am deeply affected.   It's kinda like the reaction of a deer looking in headlights and they can't move to save their own lives - you know it's coming but you can't get out of the way.  You are right when you say sincere emotions generate a lifetime of memories.  i can't say i won't ever make the same mistakes again because in all honesty i am not sure what mistakes i made. 

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:29:01 AM   
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Velvet,

    I must say I can relate to your position, and as much as I would love to say oh it will go away, I must say it may never. You forged a deep bond with this man and seeing him must be much akin to tearing the healing scab off of a fresh wound. You have not been able to allow it to heal and it seems to leave you with a fresh pain. You chastise yourself because when he is near and possibly even just the thought of him brings a visercal or emotional reaction, just remember what you gave to him. It will take much time to begin to heal, and you will need time to yourself to think things through in my opinion. Will you ever be whole again or have that piece of you back? No, we leave bits of ourselves with all that we have loved, and those that have loved us also leave their own bits behind with us when they are gone. Do you feel whole? It comes to a point where you know you have left behind a piece of yourself, your heart, your soul, but you must know it is your marker in anothers life and nothing more sweetie. You are whole, you miss a piece here and there but think of it as breadcrumbs in your trail. I must sound quite silly but these thoughts made it easier for me. If you wish to talk more message me on the other side.

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Not silly at all, thank you for sharing.  Reading your post made me aware of something.   He definately left his mark on me which is why i keep the distance i need even though parts of him are readily available to me in the form of play - tempting, but i know it would not be in my best interest to go there with him.  The fact that he can turn it around and go on such a casual level with me makes me realize i must not have left much of any kind of mark or impression on him.... and that's painful.   i don't think if you love someone, or have loved someone you can later be casual with them.... that's how i work anyway.

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:36:48 AM   
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i was once told by my ex that even when a sub/slave is released the Master will always still own a piece of her, that the bond will never fully be broken.  i didn't put much stock into what he said at the time as i have had many relationships over the course of my life, some long term and when they ended, they ended.  i never looked back nor had regrets and if i ran into that person there was no sense of intimacy or bond left in the slightest degree. 

i haven't been with my ex in over 3 years, we were together for 5 and as circumstances have it we must see each other one to two times a month (personal reasons i don't want to delve into here, suffice it to say this won't change for at least one to one and a half years). 

i won't go into details but the break up was difficult and there was much emotional turmoil at the time - lots of loose ends that never came together for the right kind of closure one needs to really put it to rest.  Sometimes those are things we just have to deal with when things don't turn out as expected in relationships.  i don't wish or want to be with him again on a D/s level.  He's offered to "play", still hints around to it when i see him, and i have declined graciously.  i live a fairly "normal" life - i work hard, raise my girls, etc so i function day to day and get done what needs doing.  i'm not a wishy washy person and i don't like to waver when i have made a decision - after it is well thought out, i like to carry it through to it's conclusion.  What bothers me is that when i am around him i react physically - i feel lighter, happier, those old feelings come to the surface although i know they are not appropriate and i don't want them to surface, yet i cannot deny their existence.  i get angry at myself at times telling myself i am being weak or even at times bereating myself for being what i consider foolish.  i know i won't ever act on those emotions. i will keep the distance i need and never get involved intimately with him again but i guess my question to anyone reading this post is, will this always be the way it is, was he right in that there will always be a part of me he still "owns"?  If it had only been 6 months i would say time, but 3 years later?  i don't want to have emotional or visceral reactions when i am with him and i look forward to the day i don't have to deal with him, even though i know there will be a void, maybe always there, that i will feel.  Anyone have similar reactions/experiences and if so how did it turn out in the long run? 

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:39:03 AM   
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Ownership has nothing to do with it.  Every person that gets involved in a seriouse relationship over a long period of time somewhat goes through this.  Lets face it, for a bit of time he was the cream in your coffee.  You can say goodbye to all those social pleasentries cause this guy has had your ass... owned ... used it. No matter how much time goes by thats just the way it is. He knows a part of you that once but no longer existed. You are not the person you were when you were with him because he is out of your life and I am sure that when you get around him its more the reminder of who you were and where you were going then as compared to who you are now and where you ended up. He was probably the ancor of your life at one point and my my how easy it is to run back to that feeling of security that exes once brought to us. These emotions I have allways felt are to be respected but what you did feel is most likeley gone forever.  You are a different person now. His influance over you has added to who you are.  Stay away and move on so to speak and keep the memory in one of those picking flowers with grandma memories and move on. The next man who ownes cant destory those memories or compete with them... he can simply take what is given to him mold you to his idea of perfection unknowingly building on what your ex taught you but you will again be a slightly different person... the same ... but not the same. Once you place this firmly on the shelf you can grow from it. Going back is just probably another train wreck because like it or not this train moves in only one direction.  

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:41:02 AM   
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Velvet, all I can tell you is what I did. I avoided beginning a new relationship until I knew there wasn't going to be a ghost jepardizing a new relationship. I had to. It would not have been fair to the new person.

I focused on taking care of me. Personal growth, trying to learn more to avoid the mistakes I made in the past.

Also......I've come to accept that what I felt for her, it's never going to disappear as though it never happened. Not without a lobotomy. But you know, that's okay too. I don't have to stop loving her to love someone else.



i agree it wouldn't be fair to the new person. i have been involved 2 times since the breakup and both times i was up front and honest in telling the new doms that i was not completely over my ex emotionally - they accepted me on those terms.  It just didn't feel right.... i know this will sound weird but it felt like i was cheating.  my interest in being with someone is zilch mostly because i am simply weary. 

That has been my new goal - focus on me, so much in my life to get in order and one only has so much energy to expend.  i think when i have love in my life things seem easier - i have more motivation maybe because i feel there is more purpose to what i am doing. 

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RE: Will i ever get that piece of me back? - 3/18/2008 9:44:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

this slave had an ex tell her once that NO-ONE would want her after he was done with her...
 
it took about 3 years, accompanied by non-conventional and non-pharmaceutical therapies to work past it.  this slave feels nothing for him now.  no hatred, no love, just...nothing.
 
best of luck!!!


What an awful thing for a Master to tell a slave, i am sorry you experienced that kind of pain.  i am not sure if my goal is to feel nothing, i can't imagine that.  i just don't want to feel the pull and connection..... 3 years and it's time. 

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