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Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 12:54:33 PM   
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Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth

The Goverment doesn't want you to have or know about Free Energy even when the Oil privces are going through the roof!!!


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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 12:58:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		..will you please stop posting links to long videos without providing a quick run-down of what it's about........second time you've done this in a week.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 1:05:49 PM   
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I think you just want to have something to say...
!.) a 7 min. vid is not long
2.) This ( The Goverment doesn't want you to have or know about Free Energy even when the Oil privces are going through the roof!!!) doesn't give you a clue hmmm???


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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 1:12:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77

I think you just want to have something to say...
!.) a 7 min. vid is not long
2.) This ( The Goverment doesn't want you to have or know about Free Energy even when the Oil privces are going through the roof!!!) doesn't give you a clue hmmm???



....given the somewhat hysterical conspiracy theory tone of much of your links, yes....i do need a clue. i don't think you get it, by providing a precis of your videos you will actually get more of us to watch the damn things. Because then those of us with more than two brain cells to rub together can decide on the merits of a particular video, rather than just assuming it's another one of the paranoid-like rants you seem to favour.

Also, when challenged on this point a couple of days back you said you would provide precis' in future. i'm just holding you to your word.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 1:15:17 PM   
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Just one example of how to Make free energy...
How to Power Your Car Using Magnets - HacknMod.com



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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 1:45:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some quick basic truths for those not obsessed with conspiracy theories.

1) We already get virtually all electrical power from rotating magnets. That's how an AC electrical generator works. Generating more power than is put into the axle is impossible. If that were not so then so called "n machines" would be perpetual motion devices and there are rather signiciant unclaimed prizes for such.

2) Truly free and limitless power is impossible. Anything we do to produce power of any sort is always going to take more energy input than we get energy output. We can create very efficient devices for generating power but no matter what there will always be less than 100% efficient.

3) Water powered engines. There are a number of real ways to do it. A basic steam engine is one. Most of the frauds on the internet are pushing fuel cells instead. Fuel cells require a fairly complicated system involving a chemical catalyst, an electrical battery and some sort of device to transform heat released by splittiing water molecules into electrical power and finally an electric motor to actually produce work. So rather than needing one fuel it actually needs 3, although the catlyst isn't consumed rapidly it will need replacement on a regular basis. Also as this is a catylized chemical reaction environmental temperature will affect the efficiency of the reaction. As I understand it getting fuel cells that will function in northern Minnesota in the winter has been one of the primary holdups with getting commercial fuel cell vehicles to the market. I personally see no compelling arguments in favor of fuel cells in comparison to hybrid gas/electrics or plug in electrics.

4) Anybody who warns direly that simply discussing something will get you killed who releases a video on youtube and has a website up where he sells that thing is pretty obviously lying.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 1:56:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77

Just one example of how to Make free energy...
How to Power Your Car Using Magnets - HacknMod.com



Sure you can power your car from a magnetic engine, one the size of you house that is.

Anybody can set up a paper drum with light weight magnets glued to it. So go do it and attach an electric generator to the axle. Let me know how big you have to go to light a 60 watt bulb. Now how much bigger do you have to go to power a car? IOW this would be avery low efficiency power source.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 2:44:38 PM   
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OK Check this Vid out
Cut the cost of oil 3

It's about Joseph Newman who's doing what you claim to be impossible and who's been fighting to get his invention Patented for 20 years now...

Or these two
Run Your Car On Water Today: STAN MEYER KILLED Pt 1
Run Your Car On Water Today: STAN MEYER KILLED Pt 1
 They're about Stan Meyers from Ohio who was Not allowed to get patents on his Hydrogen (derived from water) cell...
They claimed that he died of food poisoning in an Ohio eatery in less than an hour... Hmmm Any other food poisoning that I've ever heard of takes alot longer to kill & & if you're gotten to a hospital within an hour it rarely does..
I think you're too used to the US Gov being seen as the good guys, so now you refuse to beleive that our gov. is run by some of the biggest corrupt scumbags that ever were... I'll bet you still beleive that Oswald was the lone assassin of kennedy to right...
If You do check this Vid out...
Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination Alex Jones 911 Conspiracy

& Jr sits where today Hmmm???


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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 3:30:50 PM   
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Holy moly, isn't there enough hoohaw on the net without posting it here?  I mean, Mythbusters disproved the free energy stuff over a year ago.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 3:51:51 PM   
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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 3:56:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77

OK Check this Vid out
Cut the cost of oil 3

It's about Joseph Newman who's doing what you claim to be impossible and who's been fighting to get his invention Patented for 20 years now...

Or these two
Run Your Car On Water Today: STAN MEYER KILLED Pt 1
Run Your Car On Water Today: STAN MEYER KILLED Pt 1
 They're about Stan Meyers from Ohio who was Not allowed to get patents on his Hydrogen (derived from water) cell...
They claimed that he died of food poisoning in an Ohio eatery in less than an hour... Hmmm Any other food poisoning that I've ever heard of takes alot longer to kill & & if you're gotten to a hospital within an hour it rarely does..
I think you're too used to the US Gov being seen as the good guys, so now you refuse to beleive that our gov. is run by some of the biggest corrupt scumbags that ever were... I'll bet you still beleive that Oswald was the lone assassin of kennedy to right...
If You do check this Vid out...
Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination Alex Jones 911 Conspiracy

& Jr sits where today Hmmm???


100,000% efficiency? In other words one input watt generates 1000 watts output? He's claiming to do this with a flywheel? Why is the truck going so slowly? It should have reached escape velocity or caught fire, from sinking the excess power into heat, within about 5 seconds of being started. Positive feedback is a total killer like that.

Every state in the union allows you to hook up an alternative power source and sell power onto the grid. If he wasn't a fraud he could simply start his flywheel motor up and pump as many megawatts into the grid as it could handle and then he wouldn't need to do ant silly begging on the internet.

Once again so this guy's tech got him killed but these other bunko artists are trying to sell it on a website? Are you really that gullible?

So now Kennedy was killed on the orders of the orders of GHWB in 1963? Before he ever held elective office and after Prescott left the Senate. Funny how that theory never came up until after the 2000 election. I'm not sure what happened in Dallas but I find this particular theory ludicrous in the extreme.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:07:21 PM   
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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:11:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Input equals output,and there are too many other countries in the world that viatally need cheap energy sources-for an "oil conspiracy" to effectively supress such technology EVERYWHERE.

Like the rest, I'll believe it when I see the production models running down the road-and not at .5mph.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:21:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Basic laws of thermodynamics which rule the universe:

1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. You can't get out of the game.

The closest thing you can get to free energy is solar. As sure as Bush lies, the sun will come up. But that's not "free" energy, that's just tapping into the sun that powers everything on the planet.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:24:47 PM   
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Basic laws of thermodynamics which rule the universe:

1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. You can't get out of the game.

The closest thing you can get to free energy is solar. As sure as Bush lies, the sun will come up. But that's not "free" energy, that's just tapping into the sun that powers everything on the planet.


And the only way you'll get that more efficient is to have huge solar sattelites that will catch it in space-convert it to something like microwaves,and beam it down to power stations for conversion. And it will still cost money.

And wind is still only another form of solar power. It's driven by pressure differences in the atmosphere, created by the sun. So is hydro.

The ONLY other alternative that is natural is geothermal-and that involves either very deep drills through miles of mantle-subject to break downs as the crust shifts-or boring into porous rock formations over or around magma pools in shallower locations.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:29:51 PM   
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Sorry folks, but some posts deserve derision. 

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:45:14 PM   
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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 4:55:34 PM   
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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 5:07:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your number 3 is not correct domken. 

A steam engine is not fueld by water, but by heat (from a variety of sources).  Steam trains were powered by Coal or wood, not water.
Heat plus water making steam which spins a turbine with magnets is how we make most of our power.  Even a nuclear plant simply replaces the coal to boil water with a nuclear reaction to boil water.

A fuel cell does NOT collect heat and convert it to electrcity. 

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/20/2008 5:15:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Basic laws of thermodynamics which rule the universe:

1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. You can't get out of the game.

The closest thing you can get to free energy is solar. As sure as Bush lies, the sun will come up. But that's not "free" energy, that's just tapping into the sun that powers everything on the planet.


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