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M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/23/2008 11:40:18 PM

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Just out of curiousity,
I'm wondering why Males feel they are the more Dominate species, and why Woman feel they are?

Same for Sub/Slave men and woman.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 12:03:08 AM

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Dominate Species?
Homosapien tho I can pass as homoerectus if I need to....

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 12:07:40 AM

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It's a strange question, EXODUS 1, and not one you can relly nail with a simple, single answer.

From a simple physical, anatomical point of view, men feel like they are the dominant because (on the average) they could beat the living snot out of women - muscular structure and so forth. It's not enlightened, but the fact of the matter is we're not all that far out of the trees at the moment and we're still animals, even if we wear watches and drive Hyundais.

In addition, throw in a little testosterone, which makes us fellas shave our faces on a regular basis and occasionally makes us thump our chests like a silverback gorilla. Once again, you may not like it and it might not be "right," but it's science you can't argue with.

Toss in traditional sexual roles as taught by mom and dad to son and daughter, and there you have pretty much the complete "Ordinary" package that set up those Male/female prototypes.

Now, toss all that out the window in here.

Male and Female prototypes don't really exist in the BDSM society; ours are chosen, not instinctual roles. There are female and male Dominants and female and male submissives, and they serve or are served by any combination of homo-, hetro- or bi-sexual prefernces. Strange as it might seem, the BDSM community is more advanced in their conception of dominance than the instinctual actions of the nilla community.

There are various and sundry reasons why any chosen Dom serves as Dominant, and any number of reasons why any chosen sub serves as submissive. For the most part, however - way down where the rubber meets the road - most who are active in the REAL BDSM community are acutely aware of the equality of both partners, even if they act in what appears to be unequal roles.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 12:08:33 AM

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Why do I feel my what stronger than the other?

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 12:53:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EXODUS1

Just out of curiousity,
I'm wondering why Males feel they are the more Dominate species, and why Woman feel they are?

Same for Sub/Slave men and woman.

Exodus1

One gender is not more dominant than the other. Neither gender can survive without the other.

It is personality types that are more dominant than another. It just turns out that more men than women typically have more dominant personalities. I believe society is mostly to blame for this since women have been repressed for much of the history of civilization. The family unit being that the male is in charge and runs the household has been the rule for thousands of years. It's only been recently within the past few decades that this has started to change some in a few cultures.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 1:04:34 AM

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Dominant species? Nonsense.

I dominate because its my nature. I prefer to lead and refuse to follow. That is my nature. It has nothing to do with me being a man.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 1:16:04 AM

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I don't. I'm proud to be part of a leather community that includes gays and straights, tops and bottoms, doms and subs in all possible gender combinations. I respect my brothers and sisters in leather no matter what their preferences and orientation. I am proud to know some really wonderful leatherfolk from all over the spectrum, and I get quite annoyed when any of my friends are disrespected because some bigoted asshole thinks that there is only one correct gender combination for people to be dominant or submissive. I can't imagine anything more fraught with idiocy than butting into someone else's intimate D/s relationship and telling them that they're doing it wrong.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 1:51:47 AM

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I've always viewed gender superiority as a fetish or fantasy rather than a fact or basis of ones outlook on life. Yes, at your core you may or may not believe it, but like most mental fixations it's not a blanket mentality that surpasses all logical thought...usually...

i do know its more of a personality thing for me, rather than a gender thing.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:08:01 AM

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Well males in nature....were often having a more leading role. Atleast..depending how you look at it. The woman stayed at home..the man hunted. Because of how men were build...they are stronger mostly. But lets be honest...doing the house, preparing food, raising kids..is damn hard too.
In time...their roles changed...and many things are now accepted to be done as good by males as be females. Still there are also many things females do better..and others are better done by males.
I had female bosses, because they were great managers. I don't mind them to lead me. Even learned from them. But I also saw their weaknesses, which we all have of course.
We are just 2 species..with all are good and bad features. Some lead..some follow...depending on the setting.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:14:38 AM

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Who said that either was? I think you're coming at it from too binary of a thought process.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:17:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyLolly

Dominate Species?
Homosapien tho I can pass as homoerectus if I need to....

*sigh* Where's a good Neandertal when you need one?

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:23:46 AM

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Assuming you mean accepting the choice, responsibility and anxiety that are wrapped up in leading, empiricism suggests men are, indeed, stronger than women. There are exceptions to the rule, of course.

I don't believe there is such a thing as an inherent human nature; a person paints his/her own picture in life, even where that picture is one of complete subservience - subservience remains a choice. There are certain advantages to the denial of freedom.

Each woman or man defines his/her own place in the world, which for women has been largely one of subservience. Women think themselves to be subservient to men. It's all in the state of mind. As said, there are exceptions to the rule.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:28:20 AM

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"Strong" in a physical sense? Males are, for the most part, the stronger sex.

Dominant is a completely different kettle of fish. One is, or one is not, man or woman.

Each gender brings something special to the table of life and would be lost without the other.

As usual, Celtic Lord has summed up my thoughts. Except the being a man bit. I'm definitely a girly.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:45:44 AM

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Dominant is a completely different kettle of fish. One is, or one is not, man or woman.

I don't think the evidence supports your claim, MM.

There have been significant advances for women in the last 200 years. They remain, however, "the other".

Women remain the object of male libidinal desire.

Women remain inadequately represented in board rooms.

Women remain inadequately represented in government.

Women remain mothers and housewives. Granted, today's world demands two working parents, but it's fair to say women accept the task of child-rearer and home maker.

Social interaction remains the same. At social events, men introduce themselves to other men, before introducing their partners...."this is my wife/girlfriend etc".

Women remain associated with mundale female pursuits - shopping, hairdressing etc - men are associated with projects.

It doesn't have to be this way; women choose this role for themselves.

'Exceptions to the rule.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:49:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

It doesn't have to be this way; women choose this role for themselves.

'Exceptions to the rule.

I read..at work..an interesting report.
Companies often don't give females a high ranked job, because..numbers...tell that they often leave soon again to get kids and raise them.
Important jobs need people that stay and can focus. Therefor companies don't give females the job.
I saw that with my females bosses also. The mixed feeling between nature and a carreer.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:55:13 AM

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That would depend upon how each individual defines the word "dominant". For me it means someone who is a leader, that can make good decisions and takes care of those s/he cares about. So using my definition, either gender can be dominant and I do not think what one has between their legs has anything to do with it. It is what lies between the ears that makes the difference.

Many people equate phyiscal size and strength with dominance, that has nothing to do with it. You can have a very large, strong person who can't think their way out of a paperbag but yet a smaller, less strong person maybe able to put a rocket into space.

As for the "hunter vs gatherer", humans cannot live on meat alone so the gatherer is just as important. As a female hunter I can tell you that gender, size and strength have nothing to do with being a good hunter, it takes brains to be able to track down your prey and kill it efficiently.

The sexes are equal as far as I am concerned neither is stronger, nor superior to the other.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:59:22 AM

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As for the "hunter vs gatherer", humans cannot live on meat alone so the gatherer is just as important. As a female hunter I can tell you that gender, size and strength have nothing to do with being a good hunter, it takes brains to be able to track down your prey and kill it efficiently.

agree for nowadays....but we can't change history. MAinly males hunted then...different times..different places...different rules.

At work I love a fair mixture of males and females. It is a nightmare..to be just with females..and to be just with males...lol
The mixture of thoughts do a company well.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 3:05:19 AM

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Males have more bulges at different places and they called : "muscles" and "a" muscle in the center of our bodies which looks very different then the rest.. And when we eat our spinach we become stronger and grow bigger and faster and..... (what was the question again?)

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 3:09:04 AM

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Women, of course,
it takes 6 men to carry a man to his grave, and one woman to put him there.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 3:13:22 AM

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As for the "hunter vs gatherer", humans cannot live on meat alone so the gatherer is just as important. As a female hunter I can tell you that gender, size and strength have nothing to do with being a good hunter, it takes brains to be able to track down your prey and kill it efficiently.

agree for nowadays....but we can't change history. MAinly males hunted then...different times..different places...different rules.

At work I love a fair mixture of males and females. It is a nightmare..to be just with females..and to be just with males...lol
The mixture of thoughts do a company well.

I think a lot of our "history" is man made rather than based on fact. (This is just my personal opinion on the history of humans) Agreed many females stayed behind because frankly how many males would want to stay behind with a bunch of screaming, hungry children? Not many have the patience for it (not many females have the patience for it either lol) I really do think females played a bigger role in the hunting parties than we are given credit for, but still I think people incorrectly equate dominance with size/strength and that is way off the mark.

As for being focused, yes it is hard to have a career and children. This is because many (but not all) Fathers do not get involved in the rearing and raising of their children. If more Fathers played a larger role in childcare, I really do believe we would see a positive benefit from it in our children and in the job place for women. I know I had to practically force my ex husband to be more active in raising our child, he thought for some reason men were supposed to go to work, come home and sit on the computer all night until it was time to go to bed

Even though I had worked longer hours and had an even longer commute then he did. Thats a huge reason he is my ex

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