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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 12:49:33 PM

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That pretty much sums up my opinion. In order to make use of choice, people have to realise they have choice.

It's clear from this thread that even in this day and age, some women believe their fate is sealed by external forces: namely, men.

Woah. You're not referencing me? Back to wrestling...

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 12:57:40 PM

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That pretty much sums up my opinion. In order to make use of choice, people have to realise they have choice.

It's clear from this thread that even in this day and age, some women believe their fate is sealed by external forces: namely, men.

Woah. You're not referencing me? Back to wrestling...

As it happens, I didn't have you in mind.

You and I couldn't wrestle, Subtee......I'm English, no touching remember....

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 1:03:28 PM

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As it happens, I didn't have you in mind.

You and I couldn't wrestle, Subtee......I'm English, no touching remember....

Ahh well if it was me Im English and I touch and I have NO problem kicking your ass :P

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 1:06:25 PM

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I thought you folks said, "arse?"

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 1:08:02 PM

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Lol I dont thats soooooo common :P

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:05:42 PM

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eh interesting debate. I would say neither sex is dominant but the male gender most definitely is. It has been that way for most if not all of history. People like to go back to the old hunter/gatherer paradigm but for me thats not where it starts. The reason the male gender has dominated the female gender is because of 1. the way in which we reproduce meaning historically women have strived to control their own bodies and reproduction and men have tried to control reproduction, which is done by controlling female bodies, no other way for us to be sure the kid is ours. 2. other men, old quote "the only thing women need men for is to protect them from other men", a militaristic society with many male warriors will always dominate and/or destroy any culture not set up in this way, check out guns germs and steel, great book, for some perspective on this. A popular thing to do is look at distopia stories like the handmaids tale and others. Imagine for a moment that some calamity caused us to lose all our modern gadgetry, a world-wide EMP or debilitating war, all of a sudden all the rights women now have would vanish or at the very least regress to what we see in countries like Iran and Pakistan, I'd like to think better of us as a people but look what happens when theres a blackout or natural disaster. Women have made huge strides and are now better off than men in many ways, go to college more, graduate more, live longer and make more money (urban professionals, please dont buy into the 59 or 73 cents for every dollar a man makes bull).
How does all this translate to now? A single person of any sex, has their dominance is based on personality. As a gender, males dominate this society and pretty much every non-nordic society out there.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:21:15 PM

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I would say neither sex is dominant but the male gender most definitely is.

Huh... nevermind.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 2:45:13 PM

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That pretty much sums up my opinion. In order to make use of choice, people have to realise they have choice.

It's clear from this thread that even in this day and age, some women believe their fate is sealed by external forces: namely, men.

This particular bit has been banging around in my head since I read it. I am thinking of a discussion I had with someone earlier today about a big news story here locally. http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/16950976.html

I had said to someone that it was tragic that the children had to pay for the father's sins. Then someone said "what about his wife?!?!"
I replied that "she had to have known what was going on, made her choice to stay, and paid the ultimate price. The children probably had no choice at all."
Which of course created a bit of mouth open drama.

For me, it all goes back to taking personal responsibility. Regardless of the road in front of us we have the ability and choice in how we are going to travel that road. Far too many take the easier paths then drag out excuse books to blame their own failings on others. I just purely don't buy into that. Everyone has challenges in their life, regardless of who they are or where they come from.

Which led to another thought. For everyone that feel disadvantaged and bitches and whines about how much rougher group XX has it, they are only taking the easier path. Less personal responsibility. To own your decisions, regardless of the obstacles, and the outcome, means you remove the opportunity to blame someone else for your failings.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 4:20:13 PM

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As it happens, I didn't have you in mind.

You and I couldn't wrestle, Subtee......I'm English, no touching remember....

Ahh well if it was me Im English and I touch and I have NO problem kicking your ass :P

There's no shame in getting a good hiding from a girl who writes stories and plays the guitar.........

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 4:40:00 PM

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For me, it all goes back to taking personal responsibility. Regardless of the road in front of us we have the ability and choice in how we are going to travel that road. Far too many take the easier paths then drag out excuse books to blame their own failings on others. I just purely don't buy into that. Everyone has challenges in their life, regardless of who they are or where they come from.

Which led to another thought. For everyone that feel disadvantaged and bitches and whines about how much rougher group XX has it, they are only taking the easier path. Less personal responsibility. To own your decisions, regardless of the obstacles, and the outcome, means you remove the opportunity to blame someone else for your failings.

We certainly do have choice and there's no escaping that.

Having said this, there isn't a level playing field - some people have a bigger hill to climb than others.

I could give you some examples. One being a young girl I work with on a project who was gang-raped and the only work we can put her into is working with abused horses, because years later she can't deal with the public. Then there are kids who have one alcoholic parent, and their dysfunctional homes don't lend towards studying for an education. These people have a real mountain to climb, but somehow they've got to find the courage or self-belief to grasp at any opportunity that comes their way. These disadvantaged kids have a choice, too, but they're unlikely to be particularly optimisitic and are more susceptible to ending up in a state of hopelessness.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 4:48:35 PM

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women are the stronger sex ..they have the power of the pussy which is huge

without them saying yes there is no sex and put a 10 in strapon on them and they have the best of both worlds ..love a woman in control

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 5:26:19 PM

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That's one way to look at it, but don't ever tell a woman that she has a huge pussy: there's no better way to get your gob smacked

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 5:41:56 PM

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If you asked the question in my part of the world, "in general, who spends more time shopping and takes more care of their hair?".....you'd receive a unanimous decision. As said, women remain associated with these mundane aspects of human existence.

An interest in personal grooming has what, exactly, to do with dominance?

A female dominant is more likely than a male dominant to train her submissive in hair care so s/he may serve her in the ways she is interested in being served. I suppose you could infer that much, though it still won't be true for all or even most femdom relationships.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 9:36:21 PM

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I don't think the evidence supports your claim, MM.

There have been significant advances for women in the last 200 years. They remain, however, "the other".

Women remain the object of male libidinal desire. And men remain the object of female libidinal desire...at least in heterosexual individuals.
What a wonderful thing. Even at my advanced age I am fascinated by women. Praise the Goddess! This whole male/female thing is just so cool! From duality, unity.

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Women remain inadequately represented in board rooms. A function of society, not as a matter of choice by women.
Male privelege. Something men are mostly completely unconscious of, just like almost all whites are unconscious of their status as privileged members of society.

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Women remain inadequately represented in government. Again, societal pressures, hundreds of years of history in governments.
Until, in the US, Amendment Nineteen of the Constitution enfranchised women.

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Women remain mothers and housewives. Granted, today's world demands two working parents, but it's fair to say women accept the task of child-rearer and home maker. Women accept the task? Do men reject the task? Someone's gotta raise the kids.
Eggsactly. Many men are simply sperm-donors. It's getting better, though. More men are helping with rearing and the laundry.

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Social interaction remains the same. At social events, men introduce themselves to other men, before introducing their partners...."this is my wife/girlfriend etc". Huh? I don't understand how you have come to this conclusion, nor how it is at all germaine to the question.
And my ex introduced me as "my husband, Scott".

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Women remain associated with mundale female pursuits - shopping, hairdressing etc - men are associated with projects. I assume you meant "mundane" female pursuits...wow.
Yeah, that boring pursuit of becoming a VP at PSFT and ORCL. And her projects, like becoming one of the first in the world to obtain an MBA in Global E-Commerce. Likely made more in a year than most guys on this board make in three. Smarter than that joker with the IQ of 200 or that big brain with thousands of scientific advances under his belt.

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It doesn't have to be this way; women choose this role for themselves. How do you arrive at this conclusion?
My question as well.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 9:55:43 PM

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One gender is not more dominant than the other. Neither gender can survive without the other.

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It is personality types that are more dominant than another. It just turns out that more men than women typically have more dominant personalities. I believe society is mostly to blame for this since women have been repressed for much of the history of civilization. The family unit being that the male is in charge and runs the household has been the rule for thousands of years. It's only been recently within the past few decades that this has started to change some in a few cultures.

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So was Man Created first? Or was Woman in your eyes?

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/24/2008 10:25:14 PM

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One gender is not more dominant than the other. Neither gender can survive without the other.

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It is personality types that are more dominant than another. It just turns out that more men than women typically have more dominant personalities. I believe society is mostly to blame for this since women have been repressed for much of the history of civilization. The family unit being that the male is in charge and runs the household has been the rule for thousands of years. It's only been recently within the past few decades that this has started to change some in a few cultures.

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"Remember it's not only what you read,, but it's what it makes you do after you read it?"

So was Man Created first? Or was Woman in your eyes?

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The origin of gender is a mystery. Just like the origin of life. Most likely as life evolved to be more and more complex, new ways were formed to better the mixing of genetic material than simple cell division and asexual reproduction.

Even in most plants there is a fertilization process.

In humans, the two genders evolved slightly differently to fill a needed role for survival of the species.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/25/2008 12:23:31 AM

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An interest in personal grooming has what, exactly, to do with dominance?

1) The OP is concerned with the "male species"..

2) Some men will spend vast amounts on beauty products. That's irrelevant, here. I'm talking of that which we associate with women (by we, I mean society). By and large, these mundane pursuits are associated with women, and, by extension, this supports the notion that women are concerned with more trivial matters and are not best placed to take on positions of authority.

In a nutshell, society places men in positions of authority; it follows, thus, society places value on mens' ability to accept the responsibility that comes with these roles (to the detriment of women).

Ultimately, women who accept these values, set for them by society (i.e. men and women), are conspiring against themselves and deceiving themselves. And, women do accept these values - perhaps not in idea, but certainly in practice.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/25/2008 12:32:47 AM

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NG, re a comment you made to me about women and them being neglected in board rooms, etc.

I was a wife and mother for years. I CHOSE that for myself, no one forced me into, it was exactly what I wanted, not what was expected of me, by anyone. I was no little woman who stayed home and baked biscuits because that's the way it should be.

A dominant woman isn't the one in the high powered board meetings, wearing a mannish suit and brandishing a loaded briefcase. A strong woman is one who CHOOSES to live her life exactly as she wants to, without care for what she is expected to do by society. A dominant woman does all that and has men/women who live to serve her whilst she does whatever the hell she wants to do.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/25/2008 1:10:48 AM

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I do not believe the one gender is stronger then the other. I believe there an equal split, what MOST men can not do, women can. What MOST women can not do, man can. Its like Ying and Yang. There is a little bit of the each in both halves. But they are equal.

As for child birth. No offense but it is alot harder to leave the situation if the thing is Growing inside of you. Sure you can give it up for adoption, but after nine months with say (sorry if this makes a wedgie in someones pants, Ive never had children but have had animals) cat or dog you adore, its hard to give it up.

As for history, From the begining of time, its been equal, half the year ruled by a woman half the year ruled by a man. (The Great Mother The Great Father.)
The gods in greek and roman history if memory serves correct were split, what you wanted came from both gods and goddess's. As for kings have there not been queens.

I agree with The post about women simply using men when they could not get into power and how it was simply easier to use their "Assets" to entrance an easily obtained mind.

As for Whos a better Dom. The better Dom is the one that puts asides their wants sometimes to fulfill their submissives needs.

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RE: M/F Why do you Feel Your Stronger then the other? - 3/25/2008 4:13:45 AM

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NG, re a comment you made to me about women and them being neglected in board rooms, etc.

I was a wife and mother for years. I CHOSE that for myself, no one forced me into, it was exactly what I wanted, not what was expected of me, by anyone. I was no little woman who stayed home and baked biscuits because that's the way it should be.

A dominant woman isn't the one in the high powered board meetings, wearing a mannish suit and brandishing a loaded briefcase. A strong woman is one who CHOOSES to live her life exactly as she wants to, without care for what she is expected to do by society. A dominant woman does all that and has men/women who live to serve her whilst she does whatever the hell she wants to do.