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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 2:47:20 PM   
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As a Domme I choose not to have sex with my subs but to explore their deepest fantasies.  I allow them to masturbate but not to touch me sexually.

As a slave it is the opposite.  Then I become a cum slut to my Master.  My body belongs only to him, and the S/m portion of the BDSM is what truly fulfills me.

I don't believe that there is a right or wrong answer regarding the sexual aspect - only what is consensually agreed upon.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 2:53:34 PM   
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There seems to be a debate of sorts going on within this site about if sex is a part of BDSM or not. I will add my 2 cents here. In my professional opinion, true BDSM does NOT involve sex. For proof of this go to your local BDSM group. You should not see any type of sex going on.


Gosh, that sure has *not* been my experience in BDSM groups.   Maybe those groups did not get the official rule book.

But using the same criteria, you could say that advertisements for beer do not involve sex because there is no actual sex going on in those advertisements.  And you would be wrong ... something doesn't have to be x-rated to "involve" sex.  All it has to be is sexual in nature.   I'm sure that a prostitute could get to a point where sex ceases to be sexual in nature - eh?

Whether or not BDSM is sexual for everyone all the time is not an issue I care to argue.  But your argument that BDSM is not sexual is very weak.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 2:54:56 PM   
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There is a difference in it being sexual and it being totally about oral sex or intercourse .... in my opinion .......


Of course there is a big difference but the  OP threw around alot of SHOULDS and trying to say that  BDSM should not involve sex if it is TRUE...So she was basically saying that those of us who like to have sex with our BDSM are wrong and SHOULDN'T be doing what we are doing..

No matter what, in my dynamic, i am ALWAYS submissive to him and he is ALWAYS Dominant to me.... He is always my Master and i am always his slave...sex doesn't always include Bondage or Discipline or Sadism(and sadist is just part of who he is)/masochism (though usually) it does to some extent...so we wouldn't be able to have sex without most of the elements of BDSM (the different anagrams)


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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 2:58:39 PM   
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i am ALWAYS submissive to him and he is ALWAYS Dominant to me.... He is always my Master and i am always his slave


thats what it is about.  as long as you are also loved and cherished for who you are...



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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:04:23 PM   
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Sex.

Ok, Bucko, we needs to have a chat.  Seems you've been reading too many message boards, and haven't poked your head out your window, nevermind visited a dungeon outside of World of Warcraft, so let's address a few fallacies shall we?


ORIGINAL: mslecuir

There seems to be a debate of sorts going on within this site about if sex is a part of BDSM or not. I will add my 2 cents here. In my professional opinion, true BDSM does NOT involve sex.

I think that's the value adjusted for inflation.  It's cool that you think stuff, but advertising yourself as a 'professional' BDSMer says a fair bit about your interest here.  Some people are professional musicians, some enjoy it for fun.  Being paid for what you do, doesn't mean your elite opinion spewed on a message board is remotely important, nevermind more important than the thousands of other netizens who meander here.

For proof of this go to your local BDSM group. You should not see any type of sex going on.

Well, fuck me.  Our back ally in one of the most elite dungeons in LA regularly has men and women engaging in consensual sex.  I've seen my own girl perform sexual activities no fewer than five times, in the four months we've been visiting.  I think she's had more sex with women there, than I have.

I concur that adding BDSM to a relationship is a wonderful way to add some variety to a relationship. But it should not be added to a casual relationship for the purpose of initiating sex.

Because your mommy said so?

Trust is the issue. How can you truly trust someone that you hardly know?

Why should we trust your elite opinion here, then?

Yes, there are many out there who use BDSM as a vehicle to get in someones pants. You know the type.

I sure do, I have to watch him put his contact lenses on in the morning, and usually brush his hair.

This is just an ulterial motive and not a true interest in BDSM.

"No results found for ulterial.
Did you mean ulteriorly (in dictionary) or Literal (in encyclopedia)?."

So if I wanna spank a girl, it's gotta be because I don't really want to be fucking her?

I was very hardline with this doctorine when I was Pro. I had to be...I was not, under any circumstances a sex worker.

So, you're fine with dressing up like a girl, and spanking men for cash, but you're too good to work as a sex worker?  

No sex was involved period. On the other hand, once I found out how much more enjoyable sex was when you experimented with some BDSM with someone you cared about, it changed much for me.

Fabulous.

I realized that in this time of my life my BDSM career was much too impersonal and lacked the intimacy that I desperately needed.

Nosce te Ipsum.  Know Thyself.


I realize that some can draw the line and can play at local groups and change up in the bedroom. This is something that I do not do anymore. I have no desire to do so and that is my personal choice. Hence what it says in my profile..."I do NOT engage in BDSM activities with anyone that I'm not in a relationship with". I know that this may seem incongruent to some...but it is my personal choice.

Dude, if you want to dress up like a hobbit and dance on a pile of headless rubber duckies in a monsoon while singing Micheal Jackson tunes, you get on with your bad self. 

Don't forget that respect is a big part of any relationship, friendly or intimate. So who is right and who is wrong? You be the judge.

I didn't need your permission to judge this tripe.

Hopefully this will generate some meaningfull discussion and not negative banter.

Since when did you hold the monopoly on vim?

Remember to always be respectful enough to listen to others views and to try to walk a mile in their shoes before reacting.

So don't throw stones at the slow kid, sure.

Consider this a friendly suggestion: we're happy to listen to you share your experiences and perspectives.  Try to dictate to us as if we're all gathered round cross legged, bright eyed, and clueless, and you'll likely find yourself learning a lesson in humility.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:05:14 PM   
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BDSM without sex is like a chocolate sundae without the whipped cream:  it's fine if others like it like that, but I like all the trimmings. 

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:11:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

BDSM without sex is like a chocolate sundae without the whipped cream:  it's fine if others like it like that, but I like all the trimmings. 


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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:13:29 PM   
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Bombastic much?

It's like I need to make a Venn diagram to explain to people that while there is overlap between BDSM and sex, they are not absolute, and just leave that hanging out there.

Here's the bottom line: opinions are like assholes; everyone has one.

Feel free to revel in yours, but don't expect other people to share it or agree.  They may.  They may not.  And you know what?  It's their decision.

I echo the commentary that there is no one true way.  Everyone must find their own way.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:14:39 PM   
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i do not know whether to applaud or wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes Stephan!     Thank you... bravo... well said...  and, would you pretty please pass me a tissue? 



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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:16:17 PM   
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Yeah, I see this show up every once in a while... "BDSM and sex, not related"... the problem is, you're using words that have meanings.  Example - Sadism  - Have a conversation about sadism with one of these types, and they end up at "Oh, but I don't mean DeSade sadism, that's fucking sick"  or Masochism - Has this person even read Masoch?

So go on, reinterpret, strip the original meanings away, denude it of its power, it's sexuality, it's libido.  Whatever it is that you end up with, it's your own invention.  Good luck with that.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:16:42 PM   
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Sheesh, before you even open the door to ask if there exists a debate
maybe the OP should define sex.
Are we talking the Clinton version
or what?
I have been involved in D/S relationships for lengthy times with zero penetration that were more sexual than many of the ones that I have been in that involved heavy regular penetration and fluid sharing.
Its not the action for me, its the effect that it has within me, and you know what, I find BDSM sexy, I find women sexy and I bet a lot of those guys the OP spanked considered that a form of sex too.
I sure bet they got a sexual thrill out of it.
Any takers?

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:17:10 PM   
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*nods*



Very well said :D

I now think I may look into this whole dressing like a hobbit jackson wet themed chicken dance that you have opened my eyes to


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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:21:20 PM   
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Wow! Thanks for all the replies! Very interesting to say the least! I have to admit that it's been quite a few years since I went to a major play/fetish party in NYC, TO, Detroit or Chicago (late 80's, early 90's) and nothing went on back then. Or at our local groups meetings in Buffalo/Rochester. I guess we were much more behind the times than L.A. Times have changed. I respect and now understand ALL your replies.

Respectfully,

Ms Le Cuir



 

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:22:55 PM   
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Go to a private party and be amazed then.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:25:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Venatrix

BDSM without sex is like a chocolate sundae without the whipped cream:  it's fine if others like it like that, but I like all the trimmings. 
no,its like being on a great roller coaster and it breaks down and your stuck for hours-I think there really needs to be a combination of pain/sexual pleasure to form the addiction no?

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:35:31 PM   
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i believe there is the purists view that D/s is a way of life that is not in itself sexual.  but how anyone can say that bdsm isnt sexual confuses the hell out of me.  it 'hits' on almost every aspect of conciousness, emotional, psychological and physical, there is no part of the mind or body that isnt in some way engaged.  how this stimulus of pleasure is supposed to then just totally bypass the most fundamental response of a sexual being defies logic.

sex or not.... sex please and lots of it!







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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:37:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetwenchie

i do not know whether to applaud or wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes Stephan!     Thank you... bravo... well said...  and, would you pretty please pass me a tissue? 



Rather good, wasn't it?


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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:39:29 PM   
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In Chicago you have tobe a member at these clubs. They do not take money at the door. Rules are different for private membership clubs.

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 3:44:59 PM   
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Amen to that!!! oh and don't forget the cherry!!!

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RE: Sex? or not? My 2 cents... - 3/25/2008 4:15:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mslecuir

There seems to be a debate of sorts going on within this site about if sex is a part of BDSM or not.

A heated debate between only the twuest of all the dom/mes. Right now I am in the lead but am being closely chaffed by sweetwenchie... (sorry sweet, not your post)
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 I will add my 2 cents here. In my professional opinion, true BDSM does NOT involve sex.
uhhh.... what profession was this... prostitution? nuh... that would be illegal... maybe it was... OH dammit. I see, You are in the running for "the TWUEST of the twue". Sorry let me step aside for those playing catchup

 
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For proof of this go to your local BDSM group. You should not see any type of sex going on.
I think this has been covered by all the twue non sex having Dungeon visiting types...
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 I concur that adding BDSM to a relationship is a wonderful way to add some variety to a relationship.

adding variety? I would have thought variety was several things not just more than one of the same thing. By your presetnation BDSM is only one thing and can only be done one TWUE way so I am thinking perhaps that you might need to clarify this in your OP. (next time)
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But it should not be added to a casual relationship for the purpose of initiating sex.
well my casual relationships are added to my BDSM so how could I get this one backwards?
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 Trust is the issue. How can you truly trust someone that you hardly know?
Would this someone be like someone dispensing ridiculous ass generalized gobbldygook about twuth with THE context of their pretentions, or just some other some one?

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Yes, there are many out there who use BDSM as a vehicle to get in someones pants. You know the type. 
Yes as a matter of fact we do. And I think most of us have found a place to discuss such things... and even look for new pants to get in... that would be at http//www.CollarMe.com.
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 This is just an ulterial motive and not a true interest in BDSM. I was very hardline with this doctorine when I was Pro. I had to be...I was not, under any circumstances a sex worker. No sex was involved period.

sounds like a bad night, wasted money and generally scary.
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 On the other hand, once I found out how much more enjoyable sex was when you experimented with some BDSM with someone you cared about, it changed much for me.
An awakening. Sounds like you may have had some difficulty finding some one who was a "TWUE" Domme's partner. I am thinking this is a common problem. Please share what it was about the changes within your "TWUENESS" that allowed room for any one to get to know you well enough to care for you.

 
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 I realized that in this time of my life my BDSM career was much too impersonal and lacked the intimacy that I desperately needed.
I am thinking it was more about not actually getting laid...

 
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I realize that some can draw the line and can play at local groups and change up in the bedroom. This is something that I do not do anymore. I have no desire to do so and that is my personal choice.
Not a sign of "twue" dommeness. ALL Dommes must comply with THE BOOK of Rules. As previously stated in your OP. (should's and should'nts)

 
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Hence what it says in my profile..."I do NOT engage in BDSM activities with anyone that I'm not in a relationship with". I know that this may seem incongruent to some...but it is my personal choice.
Again with the non compliance of shoulds and shouldn'ts.

 
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 Don't forget that respect is a big part of any relationship, friendly or intimate.
Respect is very definately lacking from this OP.

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 So who is right and who is wrong?

You are wrong. If only because you posted this ridiculous thread as gospel.
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You be the judge. 
Sounds like this position has already been filled.
 
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Hopefully this will generate some meaningfull discussion and not negative banter.
Meaningful discussion... check.  Negative banter... Check. You might try starting out with out insulting everyone's individuality before starting your next "true" search.
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Remember to always be respectful enough to listen to others views and to try to walk a mile in their shoes before reacting.
 
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