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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 5:16:40 PM   
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Cheney is irrelevant  in 2008.


He's an at-large-felon. Got something against locking up felons?



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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 5:19:39 PM   
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Cheney's right when he says that we can't govern by public opinion polls.

Reason being, public opinion fluctuates so wildly that all our policies would be like kites without strings.


All I expect from Cheney is obedience to The Law and honoring his Oath.

And I expect him to be punished for disobeying the Law and lacking honor.

They are crimes.

Marion Jones is sitting in a cell, isn't she?


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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 6:00:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Still connecting 9/11 with Iraq, TheHeretic? How sad...





          What the fuck are you talking about, Sugar?  I challenge you to go find one time I've ever made such a statement.  There was no connection, there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until we opened the doors, windows and garage door for them.  The only connection is that Iraq is where our current administration decided to spend the political capital of 9/11.

         If you've been trying to learn from the other freak/fringe leftists around here who try to to strawman every idea I throw out that blows holes in the brain-dead paradigm, you should find better teachers.  Right now, you suck at it.


       

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 6:11:36 PM   
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I wish Cheney was sent over to England to do an intensive course of forced interviews with Jeremy Paxman. It would make for great entertainment, and the retributive justice factor wouldn't go amiss on quite a few of us (Heretic excluded, obviously ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCo7qbzEX3c&feature=related



        And what would Paxman do with someone who doesn't get embarrassed, or worry about being politically correct?  I'm not really familiar with Paxman, but he reminded me of Fox News when they can get a dumb liberal to come on the air.

       But of course, all those ethical standards you have when it comes to Fox are going to go right out the window when a liberal uses the same tactics, aren't they?


     

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 6:12:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So?" was a valid response to her leading question. Again, he is correct, Level. I watched the video and he didn't say it arrogantly in my opinion, he said it softly and with a warm smile. He was being friendly enough to her, granting her an interview and discussing serious issues with candor and openness. You don't like the man, that's fine. After all the mud that's been thrown at him I can understand that, some of it had to have stuck by now... but at least he isn't selling missile technology to the Chinese.


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Some valid points there, Sanity, but if he could just not be so arrogant, that might help.
 
"So?" isn't an answer I like seeing from our leaders.


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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 7:36:27 PM   
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      But, but, but...  I thought our civil liberties had been destroyed...  Why didn't Cheney just throw this impudent reporter in Gitmo?  Or simply shoot him in the face?

     I wonder what the public opinion polls would have said about WWII.  Should we have retreated back to England instead of fighting the Battle of the Bulge?
This is a joke right.No inteligent indivisual could compare the Bush/Chaney oil adventure on behalf of Haliburton with the liberation of Europe from Nazi occupation.....

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 7:41:00 PM   
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I wish Cheney was sent over to England to do an intensive course of forced interviews with Jeremy Paxman. It would make for great entertainment, and the retributive justice factor wouldn't go amiss on quite a few of us (Heretic excluded, obviously ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCo7qbzEX3c&feature=related



       And what would Paxman do with someone who doesn't get embarrassed, or worry about being politically correct?  I'm not really familiar with Paxman, but he reminded me of Fox News when they can get a dumb liberal to come on the air.

      But of course, all those ethical standards you have when it comes to Fox are going to go right out the window when a liberal uses the same tactics, aren't they?


    


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...i met Paxman once. Utterly obnoxious he was too, however as you have admitted to not knowing much about him let me enlighten you. He's one of the great British political interviewers, in a long line of such. If anyone, and i mean anyone, comes to his table and is inconsistent on the facts he will nail them. Repeatedly. Without lube. Publicly.
He is neither left or right wing in his vitriol, he just clearly hates liars and those in public office who abuse that power. He's on the BBC. And he's one reason i never minded paying a TV licence when i was over there, because he just doesn't care who you are.......if you try to weasel out of a question he'll ferret you out (to mix a horrible metaphor).

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 7:43:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Your way, which is just mob rule, would lead to government-sponsored public lynchings of any and all suspected members of whichever group fell out of favor at any given moment. Muslims, Gays, Blacks, Hispanics, Japanese, Socialists, Conservatives... might all get their turn at slow torturous deaths.

This has never been a democracy, for that very reason. Mob rule does suck - could it be that Dick Cheney is smarter than you because he's well aware of that, while you aren't?

Public opinion is fickle, that's why we elect leaders (and always have).


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Cheney's right when he says that we can't govern by public opinion polls.

Reason being, public opinion fluctuates so wildly that all our policies would be like kites without strings.


Sanity:
You appear to be saying that the people are really too stupid to govern themselves.
You appear to be saying that democracy sux.
You appear to be all in favor of a dictatorship while giving "lip service" to our republican form of government.
Why do you continue to live here if you are so enamored of a dictatorship?
thompson
 
 





No, that's why we elect Representatives.

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 7:57:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

"So?" was a valid response to her leading question. Again, he is correct, Level. I watched the video and he didn't say it arrogantly in my opinion, he said it softly and with a warm smile. He was being friendly enough to her, granting her an interview and discussing serious issues with candor and openness. You don't like the man, that's fine. After all the mud that's been thrown at him I can understand that, some of it had to have stuck by now... but at least he isn't selling missile technology to the Chinese.


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ORIGINAL: Level
Some valid points there, Sanity, but if he could just not be so arrogant, that might help.
 
"So?" isn't an answer I like seeing from our leaders.
'So" might have been a legitamate answer if he was holding a private conversation .The man was being interviewed an interview that would be broadcast to the same public who's opinion he just disregarded and trivialized,somehow that speaks volumes about the tenor of the administration and their legacy

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:00:52 PM   
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This is a joke right.No inteligent indivisual could compare the Bush/Chaney oil adventure on behalf of Haliburton with the liberation of Europe from Nazi occupation.....



         Not specifically a joke, Mike.  An extreme example, reducing or expanding the concept to an absurd, but theoretically accurate point.  If the particular choice I make in that gives you a grin, so much the better.


         Tell you what;  Check out this link about US troops getting their asses handed to them by Rommel.  Then imagine the 24/7 news cycle talking non-stop about...   "On February 15th, the Americans launched a counter-attack. By February 17th, they had lost a further 98 tanks, 57 halftracks and 29 artillery guns. As they withdrew, the Americans destroyed vital supplies but the Germans managed to get hold of a vital 5,000 gallons of aviation fuel."  Of course, this is happening in Africa and WTF are we doing there when it was the Japanese who attacked us anyway?  What would the polls have said?


         The only poll that matters when it comes to a war is the one they take in the US Congress.  They took one, we are in a war.  The power has existed for more than a year to take another poll that would matter, but that hasn't happened for some reason or another.

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you need need to feel insulted by that interview, I suppose that you will. Something tells me that anyone who watches that video with an unbiased mindset won't come away angry like those whose minds have been poisoned with bitter Leftist propaganda over the last eight years or so.

His tone was neutral, he wasn't in any way condescending or 'trivializing' as you say. He was making an excellent point, and what pisses a lot of people off is that it's a very good point, but they have to be mad about something because it's Dick Cheney after all.  He's a monster. Not human at all.

Is he.

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:21:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heretic the analogy is still off the wall.Granted at some point in any war a poll might show a majority of the populace against said war.The difference being the unmistakable necessity of WW2 as opposed to the search for WMD /connection to 9/11 or whatever justification of the month you care to hang your hat on.Sadamm was one evil bastard ,granted but this isn't and should never be confused with the liberation of Europe from Nazi tyranny

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:23:58 PM   
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If you need need to feel insulted by that interview, I suppose that you will. Something tells me that anyone who watches that video with an unbiased mindset won't come away angry like those whose minds have been poisoned with bitter Leftist propaganda over the last eight years or so.

His tone was neutral, he wasn't in any way condescending or 'trivializing' as you say. He was making an excellent point, and what pisses a lot of people off is that it's a very good point, but they have to be mad about something because it's Dick Cheney after all.  He's a monster. Not human at all.

Is he.


...i haven't seen the interview, so i freely concede his tone of voice may have been neutral. It's just that Cheney, with his history of evasion, has made his own bed to a degree. For many people, if not most, he has no benefit of the doubt.

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:25:45 PM   
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THE WORLD!  Wake up and pay attention the heretic.  

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:37:01 PM   
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Heretic the analogy is still off the wall.Granted at some point in any war a poll might show a majority of the populace against said war.The difference being the unmistakable necessity of WW2 as opposed to the search for WMD /connection to 9/11 or whatever justification of the month you care to hang your hat on.Sadamm was one evil bastard ,granted but this isn't and should never be confused with the liberation of Europe from Nazi tyranny


Actually, the only reason the analogy fails is that Hitler, in accordance with his treaty with Japan, declared war on the United States, after we declared war on Japan.  In all other respects, analogies between Saddam and Hitler, between Iraq and the Third Reich, are quite appropo.

Moreover, the Lend-Lease Act was a wink-wink nudge-nudge way of circumventing significant US public opnion against being involved in the war in Europe.


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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:52:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Celticlord not questioning the enormity of their respective evils,but certainly the analogy falls short of the  mark when you measure the threat posed respectivley by Saddam's regime as measured against Hitler.Surely the Kurd's weren't enamored with Saddam's government but he fell far short of enslaving a continent and slaughtering millions in the name of racial purity.

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 8:56:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		slvemike,  If Hitler had been stopped when he moved on the Alsace Lorraine, he wouldn't have enslaved a continent and exterminated millions for racial purity, not mention the millions dead to stop him.

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 9:49:53 PM   
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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 10:52:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		      The reason we went to war in the two cases, or the "justness" of the conflict has nothing to do with the fact that military stategy (or strategery) is not subject to the whims people express when someone calls at dinnertime to ask carefully worded, multiple choice, questions.

      It would be a poll from a period of bad news in a war.  Perhaps you'd prefer one of the ass-kickings we took from the British during the Revolution?

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RE: Cheney: My Hero! - 3/26/2008 10:55:01 PM   
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Who would be saved if bush cheney and rumsfeld were in a crashing plane.


THE WORLD!  Wake up and pay attention the heretic.  



      Yes.  I'm sure Nancy Pelosi would promptly save the world <sarcasm>

      I'm quite awake, Phoeni, and looking down the road.  Perhaps you need to lose the blinders?

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