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Aneirin -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:29:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

what areas are considered westcountry? *wondering if this trip will include them*


Somerset, Devon , Cornwall, maybe also Dorset to the east of the South West peninsula. From the South East to the South West, we have roads, but not the nicest of roads as befitting a country overpopulated. Get the hang of London  traffic, and everything else is a doddle, until you come across the thick countryman with his tractor on the roads at night.



thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:31:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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That is why I asked you to justify your position to deport them.


I don't have to justify anything to you. 
It is considered appropriate to justify your contentions if they are brought to question.

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This is not true. You said:


I inferred it, and you know I did.  If you want to use semantics, feel free.  It was clear what I meant, and if it wasn't to you than that's your problem.
I am sorry I failed mind reading 101.


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If they did commit a violent felony why were they not charged and convicted of such?  The article says they were convicted of conspiracy.  


Yeah, conspiracy to commit robbery.  It's still a felony.  You do realize that is a deportable offense?
Virtually all crimes are deportable offenses....if it bothers you so much why don't you call the INS?


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Because the judge in this case chose not to deport them.  I am sure you believe in the rule of law?  Or does the rule of law only apply when you agree with the outcome? 


The judge doesn't have the power to deport anyone.  But INS does, and they should deport any aliens that are commiting felonies.
Including all the war criminals we imported to work in our weapons industry?


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I was paying attention it appears that you were not.  Perhaps you might avail yourself of your own advice.   


No you weren't.  You are just trying to be right when you are so wrong. 
ROFLMAO



GreedyTop -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:31:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

what areas are considered westcountry? *wondering if this trip will include them*


Somerset, Devon , Cornwall, maybe also Dorset to the east of the South West peninsula. From the South East to the South West, we have roads, but not the nicest of roads as befitting a country overpopulated. Get the hang of London  traffic, and everything else is a doddle, until you come across the thick countryman with his tractor on the roads at night.



Then not this trip... ok, NEXT trip!!



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:32:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
what areas are considered westcountry? *wondering if this trip will include them*


A trip to the UK should always incorporate the wonders of the Devon and Cornwall alas they are too far from London for a flying visit. Having said that you have to be careful of those Cornish separatist terrorists.[8|]



Politesub53 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:37:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

what areas are considered westcountry? *wondering if this trip will include them*


Those in the east [8D] 

Devon, Cornwall and Somerset, with Cornwall being the furthest west.



Aneirin -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:39:45 PM)

But there now exists an option other than traversing our poor network of roads, one can get a flight from Gatwick to Newquay by Ryan Air, for less than it costs to drive.I recently did it for £38 return, plus £5 airport development fees on the Newquay end.Newquay is the surfing capital of England, a sizeable town for Cornwall. Devon is another forty miles or so North east.



Lucylastic -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 6:51:36 PM)

Yep I flew from Gatwick to Newquay I think it was 50$ last year on my way to Truro/St Austell,  it took an hour and cheaper than train or coach and sooooooooooooooooo much faster, if you are planning a UK trip, it really should be on your list, but then again Im a tad biased...im just waiting for Ryan Air to fly into Scunthorpe!
Lucy



Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 7:45:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

I'd love to learn another language. But I will choose that language. It will not be chosen for me.



Good for you - I suggest Mandarin or Hindi.


I'm leaning toward Mandarin or Japanese actually.



Aneirin -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 7:50:16 PM)

I though I saw a recent advertisement for flights to the North  East, at least I think it was from Plymouth aiport



MissSCD -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 7:56:14 PM)

For someone who was raised in the civil rights area in the deep south, I have little patience for any racial hatred.  This artcle quoted had racial intent.
I think it is unfair how the Hispanic Community is being treated, and they do not deserve this.
We all need to reevaluate our feelings in this regard.
 
Regards, MissSCD



domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 8:05:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

I'd love to learn another language. But I will choose that language. It will not be chosen for me.



Good for you - I suggest Mandarin or Hindi.


I'm leaning toward Mandarin or Japanese actually.




Wo ai ni.  Aishiteru. really, way to step up smith [sm=applause.gif]



Aneirin -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 8:05:57 PM)

I am all for civil rights of any person regardless of nationality, but I would assume it is correct for ayone who moves to a country to learn that countries language and then it's laws and lifestyles.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/28/2008 11:04:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Great joke:

When you can speak several languages, they call you multi-lingual.

When you can speak two languages, they call you bilingual.

When you can only speak one language? "American."



And what other language do the mexicans speak? Poor joke.

Well, I've been to parts of Oaxaca where the Indigenios speak only Mixtec or Zapotec. There's also several Mayan Dialects, Nahuatl (Aztec), Mazateco, Huichol, Otomi, and quite a few others.

It might be helpful for you, if you want to have a discussion with those of us who know things, to learn a few things. Just a friendly suggestion.
You did catch this, right, Smith? There are Indians around the Oaxaco area who speak precious little Spanish, as I found out.

For subtee, and other interested folks:
1)Oaxaca has the most amazing public market I've ever seen.
http://www.oaxacaoaxaca.com/markets.htm
2) The food is unbelievable. I had the most sublime squash blossom soup out in Teotitlan del Valle, which is also famous for wool weaving. I have some rugs and wall hangings from there. Hand spun and natural dyes.
http://www.planeta.com/ecotravel/mexico/oaxaca/teotitlan.html
3) There's a tree called the Tule tree just east of the city that is around 3500 years old or so (they claim 6000). It's HUGE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rbol_del_Tule
4)Monte Alban. It's believed that part of the site is a Pre-Columbian Medical Library carved in stone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Alban
5) Mitla. Occupied since around 500 BC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitla I had some really killer rose petal ice cream there.
6) Finally, I'd put Oaxacan cuisine up against anything anywhere. It, along with the cuisines of Puebla and Mayan Yucatan and Quintana Roo, are at or near the very top for me.

Sorry abut the hijack. I like to share stuff.



Maya2001 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 12:19:15 AM)



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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Ken, hence my comment about Navajo tacos being a hybrid. More European, really. White flour (gov't surplus in the 30s, they didn't know what the fuck to do with it so invented fry bread), cheese, ground beef, lettuce, & onions, IIRC (I can look in my cookbook). BTW, he disappeared, didn't he?



LOL fried bread  was around couple centuries  earlier earlier [;)]

Actually langos(hungary)   a fried potato and flour bread has been around longer than that ,  the turks strongly influenced hungarian cuisine  breads and pasteries were  introduced to the Magyars  back in the 16th  century by the turks , some where  in the 17/ 18th century  the langos is  noted in hungary history  



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 1:29:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Maya2001



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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Ken, hence my comment about Navajo tacos being a hybrid. More European, really. White flour (gov't surplus in the 30s, they didn't know what the fuck to do with it so invented fry bread), cheese, ground beef, lettuce, & onions, IIRC (I can look in my cookbook). BTW, he disappeared, didn't he?



LOL fried bread  was around couple centuries  earlier earlier [;)]

Actually langos(hungary)   a fried potato and flour bread has been around longer than that ,  the turks strongly influenced hungarian cuisine  breads and pasteries were  introduced to the Magyars  back in the 16th  century by the turks , some where  in the 17/ 18th century  the langos is  noted in hungary history  


Hi Maya, here's a site dating it from around the end of the Civil War:
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/NavajoFryBread.htm (I would like certain people to note that I have posted a link which contradicts what I previously believed.)
A "tour guide" at the Hopi Cultural Centre told us that, in the 30s, there were barrels of gov't surplus white flour and lard sent to the Navajo and Hopi reservations, and that was how Fry Bread originated. Now, if it did come from around the end of the Civil War, our guide was misinformed and, therefore, so am I. It looks like most of the sources I've found on the Web dates it to around the late 1800s, so I have to go with that. Thanks for picking up on that. I stand by my assessment though.

I don't know much about Hungarian fried foods. I know potatoes were taken to Europe by the Spanish; the Langos you mention fits in that time frame..



Level -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 2:59:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

For someone who was raised in the civil rights area in the deep south, I have little patience for any racial hatred.  This artcle quoted had racial intent.
I think it is unfair how the Hispanic Community is being treated, and they do not deserve this.
We all need to reevaluate our feelings in this regard.
 
Regards, MissSCD


Hi SCD. What were the racial overtones? What exactly do we need to reevaluate? The expectation of learning english here?



NorthernGent -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 3:46:46 AM)

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Over here, it's widely accepted that learning the English language is a necessity for immigrants and migrant workers: for the benefit of the individual and the community. How on earth do you take advantage of the opportunities presented to you where you can't communicate with 95% of the people? This is certainly the case here because this island is so densely populated - both central and local government are pushing this agenda. The government is particularly targetting Muslim women, as it is felt that Muslim women are deliberately kept from learning English by their husbands as a means of keeping them isolated and in their place.

Assuming these men are guilty of a crime, I think the judge is doing them a huge favour. I, for one, applaud the fact he's using his head instead of parroting a system that doesn't work - crime prevention in England could do with someone prepared to try something different.

Perhaps communities in a vast country can run smoothly without having to learn English. I suppose it boils down to this: what is the best an individual can ever hope to achieve in the United States where he/she can't speak English? Are they condemned to a life of picking fruit, or will they be well placed to contribute towards innovation and value-added activities?

I tip my hat to the judge...



Level -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 3:54:40 AM)

Good points, NG. As you say, learning the language (wherever one is) benefits everyone.



calamitysandra -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 6:10:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: subtee

Hippie making me hungry



Whoever snags Hippie is in for some serious gastronomical delights [8D] .

I eat as well as I cook, too. [sm=applause.gif]



When are you comming back to Germany?[;)]



camille65 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 6:18:30 AM)

Okies this is written phonetically lol.Ne how ma Smith?



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