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Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 4:47:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp
But the fear and loathing exhibited towards people of other cultures...primarily the Mexicans...most of whom are descendants of the Natives...and therefore here, on this continent FIRST...lest we forget, is so petty. People...are you SCARED of the Spanish language...WTF? Why should it bother you so much that people speak Spanish in Texas or should i say Tejas? Historically the states bordering Mexico were in fact inhabited by...gasp!!! frickin' MEXICANS...go figure.
Here we go again bringing up the native americans. So I'll re-post my view on that from another thread (again)
"This is an increasingly ridiculous argument to use in this debate. We (european settlers) came here, we fought with the natives, we made deals with the natives, we fucked over some of them (manhattan for a handful of beads........"how"). Regardless, of how we obtained it, we took ownership of this country. We didn't "sneak in" and try and assimilate into native american society, we brought our own. Right or wrong, that's what happened. We didn't sneak in here and live on the native american govenerment's dime while demanding we had a right to be here because we snuck in. We came in and took it, bought it, stole it, whatever. The "maybe you should go home unless you're native american" argument is ridiculous. This is our country. The settlers may have gotten it in a fucked up manner.....go complain to them. I had nothing to do with it. My ancestors came over in the 30's (I think) and came through Ellis island like the rest, with papers. My great-grand parents were full-blooded german and came here and made lives for their familes, many of whom enlisted in the US military and fought against their parents' former countrymen."
Now then, having re-posted that. I will ask you, lronitulstahp, a question or two. The Spanish came over to Mexico much like the Europeans did to America. What makes that situation any different? Why don't the descendants of the Myans, Aztecs, etc dislike the spanish? Why did they 'get busy' with them instead? And how do you feel that the descendants of a long ago time have any more right to be in Texas or any border states than the Americans. The Texans won the Texas Revolution, not the other way around. Your argument about who "used to" be here is irrelevant. That'd be like saying the US should freely allow Europeans to illegal enter this country since we were once an English colony. There is zero sense in that.
The US won the American Revolution, so England no longer has a claim on us. The Texans won the Texas Revolution, and later joined the US, who then won the Mexican-American war - so Mexico no longer has a claim on this state/region. We won, they lost, deal with it. Unless you can get a time machine and go back to that period and change the results, fact is fact. Texans won their independance from Mexico and became a state which joined the rest of the US. That is fact and it's not going to change. Who was "here first" is irrelevant. The world continues to turn and times change and things change.
On top of the "we won, you lost" argument, here's another little tidbit.....Mexico GAVE us California and the rest of the southwestern region . We didn't TAKE IT, it was given under a treaty. So, with THAT information, your argument holds even less validity, unless of course you're trying to say it's "ok" for present-day mexicans to try and take back what their ancestors gave so long ago.
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