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SteelofUtah -> ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 4:07:27 PM)

Okay I am sure that I will take some heat for this but , such is life.

Okay I have seen MANY MANY MANY profiles that says, "I'm looking for friends first and we'll see where that goes." seems harmless enough, seems simple and clean. Ahhhh, but there is something that sits behind that phrase that is agrivating me to no end.

I have had subs who were friends, I met them at Munches and I knew thier Master/Mistresses and when they were single I knew who they were interested in and what was going on with them and I also knew where the line was. I knew the boundry that existed, however with girls online I am COMPLETELY LOST.

Case # 001- We'll call her "girliegirl", I met her online and offered to be her friend, and MEANT FRIEND, and after the initial "Dog Sniffing" Portion of our relationship where I sniffed out what she was all about and she sniffed out what I was all about we started talking about what she wanted in a relationship and who she was meeting and she started asking my advice and even asking me if I thought someone was good enough for her and well once after a slew of bad failed relationships she confessed to me she wished she could meet a Dom like me, to which I said "Odd, I happen to BE a Dom like me, and I have always been fond of you so, hey here's a Model Idea How about ....ME?" to which she freaked out and got all shy and we talked two more times and then ZERO contact and ZERO Reasons.

Case # 002 - We'll call her "SweetCharity", Talked a LOT, always flirty and ALWAYS blunt, I was always honest about the fact that if she wanted to come out for a weekend fling that she was welcome to but we BOTH knew that a relationship would NEVER happen, so we go on talking and one day things get very personal and very real and we start getting into the "What am I doing Wrong" Debate and I give HONEST, THIS IS HOW I FEEL answers and I am very blunt and I know that what I am saying isn't the sweet and kind answer but at least I'm willing to be HONEST and well Now evertime we talk the conversation seems strained like we are forcing ourselves NOT to talk about something. The Elephant in the Living room if you will.

Case # 003 - We'll call her "NastyBetty", Started out with her complimenting me on my Posts and telling me that although she doesn't always agree with me she respects what I write and would I like to be friends, I ask ALL SORTS of questions, I am TRYING to get to know her as a FRIEND and getting ANY kind of information is like pulling teeth from a very alert gorilla. So I finally mention that I am putting 100% into getting to know you as a friend and feel like I'm getting nothing but a brick wall, to which she says I am very Protective and I need to trust someone before I open up to them. At this point I got very confused and perhaps a little annoyed and asked "How can you get to know me if I'm doing all the work and you aren't willing to offer anything is return? If you want to be friends don't you think I deserve to at least know a little about the person I am letting be MY Friend?" This of course was met with No answer at all and again NO CONTACT and NO REASON.

Case # 004 - We'll call her "lil`sara" In becoming her friend I found I had feelings for her and wanted more however I respected that she was in a relatioship and just wanted frineds and I tried really really hard JUST to be her frined, one day after a long period of no contact because she was in college I get an e-mail that she is no longer with the Ex and that she misses me. I had carried my feeling for her for some time and now I figured I had to take my chance and in a single conversation I spilled my guts and beared my heart to bleeding and told her how I felt and what I wanted and how I thought it could work to which she said she had similar feelings for me but wanted to know how it could possile work to which I offered her at least four (4) different possible solutions to which she said nothing, then said she had to go and I havn't heard from her since.

So why have I called this ~~Lets be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ Well because someone e-mailed me today and asked me why I bother to put that I just want to be friends when every woman I try to be frieds with I try to sleep with?

This Blew me off my chair. Now I know that I am looking for a second girl and that some might think that everything I say is a play to get someone to agree to being a second girl but lets cut the crap, every girl I ever talk to I am respectful of the fact that they are Friends and with the exception of "lil`sara" Had not once suggested that they be anything more than friends unless THEY wanted to but that I was willing to be friends no matter what they just needed to set a BOUNDRY!!

There is that word. Boundry. Look I like women and I am a FLIRT Friend or not Hell I flirt with lil old ladies at the super market to see if I can make em blush. If someone says "Steel, I only want to be your friend and nothing more" Then I still flirt but I know it will NEVER go anywhere and If the issue is that I am a Flirt then I have to ask if they are being MY frined when they aren't accepting the person that I am. I am a Flirt, if they were really my frined they would know it's harmless and leave it at that.

So the QUESTION? Do you think it is really possible for Male Dom's and Female subs to be friends when there is flirting involved or when the friendship is emotionally involved? Do you think that a Female Domme can be frineds with a Male sub and keep it STRICTLY Platonic? And do you think that they relationships can be sustained when one person is interested in the other for any reason.

When Sex is involved, or rather sexual attraction, can Friendship actually be achieved?

Do you often think that just because the person being your friend discusses sexuality with you that they are only intersted in having sex with you?

How is frindship in this lifestyle supposed to be sustained in this lifestyle if everyone simply assumes the worst of the other person?

Okay that's a LOT of questions just answer the ones that you want.

Steel




lusciouslips19 -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 4:19:25 PM)

In Harry Met Sally, Harry said men and women can't be friends because there is always sexual undertones.
I think we can be friends, but I also know that even if we are just friends, a guy still may want to get in my pants. Even if a guy knows that a woman is wrong for him in the longterm,he still wants to get in her pants if he thinks shes hot or even lukewarm. Thats just the way it is.

It is sad that these women couldnt overcome their awkwardness when you wanted different things. Or when what they said they wanted they ran from. But hey, you already have one slave, so I'm not crying for ya.[;)]




camille65 -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 4:32:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah


When Sex is involved, or rather sexual attraction, can Friendship actually be achieved?

Do you often think that just because the person being your friend discusses sexuality with you that they are only intersted in having sex with you?

How is frindship in this lifestyle supposed to be sustained in this lifestyle if everyone simply assumes the worst of the other person?

Okay that's a LOT of questions just answer the ones that you want.

Steel
 I've found that a flirty friendship does not do well in the long run, one of the flirtees seems to always want to take it further than the other flirtee.When emotions are involved? I'm assuming you dont mean flirty sexual emotions but more on the line of caring people emotions?If that is the case then yes, this is the style of my long term and good friends. I get a ton of guys starting out wanting to be friends and we follow that path. Then I actually do get that line 'Now can I see you naked?'Gotta say, that is a huge turn off and disappointment.




Arrrchibald -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:06:27 PM)

I've stopped writing to ladies who say they're just looking for friends.  Doesn't matter what you say.  If you're a guy, most ladies will think you're trying to get in their pants if you say hi. 

Quite often, after sending a completely platonic email, the girl sends me a nasty reponse saying she's looking for "friends," not "men." 

And every last one I wrote to, had their profile listed as "seeking dominant men." 




GreedyTop -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:08:05 PM)

hey! mine didn't Arch!! lol  And I didnt send you a nasty email! *sheesh*




JohnWarren -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:12:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

When Sex is involved, or rather sexual attraction, can Friendship actually be achieved?



As for me, aside from a "wanna play at this party sort of thing," I expect to be friends with anyone I'm playing with, and in a number of "wanna play" situations, we became friends.

[priviso] "Being friends with me" pretty much includes "being friends with Libby"




Arrrchibald -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:12:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

hey! mine didn't Arch!! lol  And I didnt send you a nasty email! *sheesh*

Yeah, you don't count.  I *was* trying to get in your pants.  *Then* I read the profile. 




DiurnalVampire -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:16:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
When Sex is involved, or rather sexual attraction, can Friendship actually be achieved?

Absolutely. My best friend Rob and I have been lovers on again and off again for going on 10 years now. When we are both single, we get together to take care of frusterations. When either of us have a significant other, we are just friends. The friendship has never been hurt by the sex.
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Do you often think that just because the person being your friend discusses sexuality with you that they are only intersted in having sex with you?

Most of the friends I discuss sexuality with have absolutely no interest in me sexually.  They are mostly straight females, who want to talk about their boyfriends. Or, male friends wanting to get ideas for their girlfriends... or male friends hoping to get ideas for future use with females they will be meeting. Or submissive males hoping to gain "insight" into the mind of a dominant woman to better their chances of finding somone. Amazingly, I find that the ones actually interested in fooling around, or wanting to whether or not I might be interested are least likely to discuss that sort of thing.
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How is frindship in this lifestyle supposed to be sustained in this lifestyle if everyone simply assumes the worst of the other person?
I never assume the worst in anyone.  I have submissive male friends. I have submissive female friends. Some are taken, some are single. I have dominant friends as well. While I am sure some of my friends have looked at me longingly at some point in time... it isnt something we have let get in the way of the friendships.

DV




Redoubt -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:23:59 PM)

good topic, valid question.

I like being platonic friends with the opposite sex, and opposite dynamic... I get enough out of the relationship knowing I can be myself, honest and open with them. I make sure theyre aware that if I consider them attractive, I will be thinking about them sexually on occasion, and if they are not interested in me "like that" then I respect that. If they can't trust me to be a gentleman (of a sorts) around them, then they certainly can't trust me enough to be a friend of any consequence. Having said that, a relationship that has mutual trust and understanding and is solid without sex is a great foundation to build a romantic relationship on, provided that mutual understanding is also mutual attraction.

To the OP, it is possible provided your friendship is not based solely on the fact that the "friend" is the opposite sex and attractive to you

If there is sexual attraction between the two, but you remain only friends, it means that one of the two parties is less interested than the other. (as camille says)

If another person discusses sexuality with you, it just means theyre comfortable discussing sexuality with you

Friendships flourish when trust is established. If people assume the worst of you consistently, it would indicate that you are doing something to create that assumption.




darchChylde -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:25:27 PM)

I flirt with everybody, even male friends who can handle it.  I'm sexually attracted to at least 80 percent of the female population, and have many female friends, yes even dominant ones; and i'm not having sex with anybody (not exactly my choice, but i'm not trying to get laid either).  So i think that yes; of course flirty, sexually charged platonic relationship is very possible.




hopelessfool -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:32:55 PM)

Steel as long as both partys know that... this is the relationship, this the line, dont cross it. Anyone with control and restraint can be friends. After a while flirting simply becomes more of an, I care for you kind of deal.  After a while  you see the person as family, and baring any Incest related fantasies you might have it becomes safe ground. (talking like a bother or a sister)

As for sexual wants being involved. As long as the person with the feelings, knows that those feelings wont be returned, and doesnt resent that person for not returning said feelings. Of course, If I denied friendship to a person just because they wanted to get in my pants. Id be friendless. :(

As for speaking about sex. Just because I mention sex doesnt mean I want to sleep with you. It means:
1) Ive not gotten any lately,
2) Im asking advice.
3) Im wondering if that truely is humanly possible.
4) Im asking your opinion.
5) Im looking for story Ideas
6) Yada yada yada Insert reason here

And finally, You put your hand in the flame of a stove top burner. It burns you. You do it a second time It burns you. Will you try it a third time thinking it wont burn you? (Ie You trust a person they screw you over, you trust again they screw you over, you trust a third time expect to get screwed over from the start and be a tiny bit guarded about the things that hurt the most)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:35:18 PM)

I was friends with a man once, and there was sex in our relationship eventually, which did not hurt it one bit. 

I absolutely expect a guy to be interested in me sexually, because I am a hot babe!  Big deal, guys like girls.  I don't consider it an issue as long as they are courteous and don't put their hands on me without permission.  It's just one of those things, and  I don't let it get in the way of the friendship.




GreedyTop -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:40:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arrrchibald

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

hey! mine didn't Arch!! lol  And I didnt send you a nasty email! *sheesh*

Yeah, you don't count.  I *was* trying to get in your pants.  *Then* I read the profile. 


LMAO!! *smooch*




derfrewop -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:42:06 PM)

From your post, I don't see where you ever actually met these women. To be blunt, you have a fairly high profile and a fair amount of regard within the community. I think you were being played by the female sub equivalent of the "psuedoDoms". They just want a picture and a fantasy of the big bad Dom who is interested. But they have no intention of ever having any possibility of of it becoming reality.

I think you were simply the masturbation fantasy of these women. They might even all be women. But what it sounded like was that you gave them all kinds of warm squishies and esteem boosts. As soon as it was likely to be more than that, poof they're gone.




Missokyst -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:42:52 PM)

I am like you, I guess, in that I flirt with anyone.  Heck, to an extent I also flirt with women even though I am a major homophobe.  I am a flirt.  Flirting is fun, empowering, makes me feel warm and fuzzy, and they seem to enjoy it as well. 
Flirting is just the way I interact with people.
But holy smokes, I have noticed that for some people flirting is serious business.  Flirting for them becomes a committment, a request for sex, and the idea that I am asking for it.  Plueeeeeessse.
I am a flirt, but I do let it be known that I am not a slut.  There is little that is easy about me and I am not looking for random acts of sex with everyone.
The thing is though that I am female.  I can flirt without too many people thinking I am trying to get laid.
Way too many people believe that men who flirt with you want to bed you.  Ok.. they may want to bed you, but that doesn't mean it has to happen.  And there is the problem.  Too many women believe that if a man makes a pass that sex will happen unless they run from it.  The art of saying "You are cute, but I want you to know that I am not ready for sex" seems lost in translation.
Somewhere along the road things went from checking people out to see who is compatible, to.. if I date this guy I am going to sleep with him.
Much too serious.  But, that is modern society.  I want it now, I want it fast, I know that you want it that way too.
You have a dilemma.
Kyst




greenearth21 -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:44:04 PM)

I believe in boundaries in such realtionships (between the opposite sex that may flirt or be attracted to each other).  People tend to make things much more complicated than they are. Yes it is possible to have an attraction to someone and still be able to have a real friendship.  As long as both adults are aware that at some point someone may want more out of the relationship and they may be rejected (or live happily ever after).  If people are honest from the get go of their intentions or as their intentions change with time....no hurt feelings.  But i dont think thats the case 80% of the time.
As far as your luck with the no contact....you are on your own; but that sucks. Dont know what to tell you




darchChylde -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 5:47:43 PM)

Yes, like many people have said.  When i flirt, it does generally mean i want to have sex with you; not that i'm expecting to.  Also, if i ever did get into bed with you, we'd be far more likely to cuddle, talk or sleep than anything remotely sexually (not that i'm going to be getting into anyone's bed, the paperwork required in order to get another woman past Ma'am isn't worth it; sex just isn't that important to me).




GreedyTop -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 6:05:12 PM)

I have more male friends than female. And I'm going to go along with LadyH here:  except in very rare cases, I assume that at some point the guys are going to think of me sexually.. why not? chances are I'm going to think of them sexually, even if it's never acted on (c'mon ladies.. admit it - even if you KNOW you're never gonna have sex with the guy, you're gonna wonder, even if in a kinda clinical way..LOL).

I have no problems being friends with men, with or without sex. 

but I've been told I think a lot like a guy..LOL




christine1 -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 6:12:49 PM)

there are two sides to every story.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: ~~Let's be Friends.....Now can I see you Naked??~~ (3/28/2008 6:44:11 PM)

Some guys, come on real strong and dont listen when you are politely saying,"I'm not interested". If a woman says, "I value my privacy". She never wanted to be your friend. Thast just the way it is. Its like being told, "I cant go out with you, I'm washing my hair". Thats a euphimism for go away.




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