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cjan -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:01:47 PM)

/tee, I think the OP was/is great and thought provoking, calling for some valuable introspection and assesment. If some folks aren't interested in that, oh well...

I also think the thread got derailed, not out of any malice, certainly, and not out of disinterest in the topic, but due to sparklies that are entertaining, yet lack the substance of your investigatve question.   It's my impression that many peeps don't read all, many, or even any of the posts that comprise a thread. Unfortunately that's just the way it seems to be.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:05:58 PM)

I understand. But there aren't many threads which get people to examine themselves about how and why they make the assumptions about others that they do.

The harshness of which you speak, for instance; is it due to the anonymity of this medium? Is it a cultural phenomenon, wherein this medium reflects the general abruptness and lack of consideration for others?

No, if anyone is put off by the subject matter, they have more problems than can be dealt with outside of a clinical setting.  Peace




subtee -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:08:31 PM)

I got started on this because I was in "Sue" my minivan, and a woman pulled out in front of me and I spilled my coffee...which is, of course, the elixir of the gods. In my younger days I would have taken it personally and gotten totally pissed and would have ridden that wave of rage for a couple of hours. But instead I smiled at her and I imagined her life: she's harried and barely holding it all together, she's late, the kids are mean to her, her husband probably barely acknowledges all that she does, she never gets time for herself and she's this close to going to a bad place.
I smiled at her in commiseration and wanting her to know that what I would assume about her was that she was doing her best.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:23:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

I got started on this because I was in "Sue" my minivan, and a woman pulled out in front of me and I spilled my coffee...which is, of course, the elixir of the gods. In my younger days I would have taken it personally and gotten totally pissed and would have ridden that wave of rage for a couple of hours. But instead I smiled at her and I imagined her life: she's harried and barely holding it all together, she's late, the kids are mean to her, her husband probably barely acknowledges all that she does, she never gets time for herself and she's this close to going to a bad place.
I smiled at her in commiseration and wanting her to know that what I would assume about her was that she was doing her best.


Bless your heart. Compassion and empathy are qualities which I am still acquiring. I had a choice of being, and remaining, angry over my "relationship" with Betsy, or trying to walk the proverbial mile in her mocassins and understand just how torn she was in her decision, and how much it hurt her, not just me.

I try to apply what I have learned from that in my everyday life, and I'm not always successful, but sometimes I am. In day-to-day life, I think most people are doing the best they can, but they aren't generally thinking about the consequences of their actions. The person who gets in front of me and pulls up short at a light or stop sign isn't thinking that I left a space in front of me because my depth perception sucks. (Probably a whole other convo about social responsibility vs. "rugged individualism")

Threads like this, and the points you make, act as reinforcements of my desire to be more aware of others.

My chariot is "Sadie". [;)]




subtee -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:37:56 PM)

Thank you! So what I was trying to get at was, just as in personal responsibilty, we have a choice to make in how we look at each other...we can't KNOW, we have to make a choice to be either judgmental or empathetic. Even if the choice we make is snap...it's still a choice.

I, too, think that most of us are doing the best we can. Thank you for saying that.




cjan -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:45:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

I got started on this because I was in "Sue" my minivan, and a woman pulled out in front of me and I spilled my coffee...which is, of course, the elixir of the gods. In my younger days I would have taken it personally and gotten totally pissed and would have ridden that wave of rage for a couple of hours. But instead I smiled at her and I imagined her life: she's harried and barely holding it all together, she's late, the kids are mean to her, her husband probably barely acknowledges all that she does, she never gets time for herself and she's this close to going to a bad place.
I smiled at her in commiseration and wanting her to know that what I would assume about her was that she was doing her best.



tee, your post made me think of this poem by Mary Oliver. It's titled "Singapore"
I hope you don't mind if I post it here. I think it's relevant to the topic.

Singapore
 
In Singapore, in the airport,
A darkness was ripped from my eyes.
In the women’s restroom, one compartment stood open.
A woman knelt there, washing something
in the white bowl.
 
Disgust argued in my stomach
and I felt, in my pocket, for my ticket.
 
A poem should always have birds in it.
Kingfishers, say, with their bold eyes and gaudy wings.
Rivers are pleasant, and of course trees.
A waterfall, or if that’s not possible, a fountain
rising and falling.
A person wants to stand in a happy place, in a poem.
 
When the woman turned I could not answer her face.
Her beauty and her embarrassment struggled together, and
neither could win.
She smiled and I smiled. What kind of nonsense is this?
Everybody needs a job.
 
Yes, a person wants to stand in a happy place, in a poem.
But first we must watch her as she stares down at her labor,
which is dull enough.
She is washing the tops of the airport ashtrays, as big as
hubcaps, with a blue rag.
Her small hands turn the metal, scrubbing and rinsing.
She does not work slowly, nor quickly, like a river.
Her dark hair is like the wing of a bird.
 
I don’t doubt for a moment that she loves her life.
And I want to rise up from the crust and the slop
and fly down to the river.
This probably won’t happen.
But maybe it will.
If the world were only pain and logic, who would want it?
 
Of course, it isn’t.
Neither do I mean anything miraculous, but only
the light that can shine out of a life.  I mean
the way she unfolded and refolded the blue cloth,
The way her smile was only for my sake; I mean
the way this poem is filled with trees, and birds.
 
~ Mary Oliver ~




subtee -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:47:14 PM)

Very cool and relevant. Thank you...




Hippiekinkster -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/2/2008 10:55:51 PM)

More than appropriate, cjan.




kittinSol -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 5:45:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

I guess my deal with it is that it seems antithetical to my OP to off put folks and perhaps sort of drive the (inadvertantly) to assumption, when I wanted to investigate that.



I can't speak for anybody else, but I certainly wasn't put off by the subject of your thread. Au contraire, I thought it was interesting to touch upon it.




LaTigresse -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 6:54:04 AM)



quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

Actually, I think I made folks uncomfortable, though, and I didn't want to do that.


Now now...........quit assuming![;)]




domiguy -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 1:23:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

I got started on this because I was in "Sue" my minivan, and a woman pulled out in front of me and I spilled my coffee...which is, of course, the elixir of the gods. In my younger days I would have taken it personally and gotten totally pissed and would have ridden that wave of rage for a couple of hours. But instead I smiled at her and I imagined her life: she's harried and barely holding it all together, she's late, the kids are mean to her, her husband probably barely acknowledges all that she does, she never gets time for herself and she's this close to going to a bad place.
I smiled at her in commiseration and wanting her to know that what I would assume about her was that she was doing her best.



Doesn't it suck getting old? For you see with age there is often a certain amount of wisdom that can be derived...I used to drive like it was a race....Now I don't give a shit. I always imagine that the person that cut me off is in a huge rush. Nothing intentional just one of those things.

I was driving a few years back and an ambulance was going through an intersection and I was rather pissed off at the inconvenience of having to wait...I glanced over at the dude driving next to me and watched him "cross" himself as the ambulance sped away. It made me feel small and rather awful. What in the Hell is wrong with me? There is a person being whisked away in an ambulance and I'm bent out of shape for having to wait. We can be so selfish and completely insensitive at times.

We do live in a graceless age...You have a choice to add to it or choose to rise above...The guy in the car next to me still haunts me...It was a small life changing moment.


This site is people in the bulk...It's hard to feel compassion for "the bulk." Especially when you have the ability to read their thoughts. Is there a rush to judgement? Possibly. But after awhile, sometimes immediately, you get a feel for people and it becomes rather clear who you feel a connection towards and those that you would rather not give the time of day.

Tis' the nature of the beast.





kittinSol -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 1:34:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

We do live in a graceless age...You have a choice to add to it or choose to rise above...The guy in the car next to me still haunts me...It was a small life changing moment.



Yes, we don't have to let the general shit submerge us. I am discovering the importance of mellowness - it helps, in the face of these hairtearingly annoying occurrences of modern life.

What happened to being laid back? At a traffic light, cars honk like the horn section of an orchestra before the concert if the first car doesn't woooosh at the speed of light as soon as it turns green. People are insane - they'd rather risk dying than loose a few seconds of their time. Weird, isn't it?






LaTigresse -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 1:55:51 PM)

Being laid back is a good thing. I've learned to develope a criteria for determining if something is worth getting bent out of shape over.

Will I even remember it in a year?.......if no.......probably not worth it.
In the reeeeeally big picture, does it matter?.........if no.........oh well, let it go.
Has anyone, been, or will be, hurt?........If not, why bother.
Am I going to accomplish anything by getting upset?........If no, well then maybe I shouldn't.
Am I reacting simply based on my own issues?........if yes, then maybe I had better look at myself rather than the perp.

etc etc etc.......




kittinSol -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 2:03:28 PM)

Exactement :-) . Why waste precious time getting irrate over things that are beyond our control (I ask non-kinkily)?

It's so much smoother to try and go with the flaw of trivia.





subtee -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 2:13:39 PM)

Dammit Domi, now you're making me feel all slobbery and gooey toward you...




subtee -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 5:57:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Being laid back is a good thing. I've learned to develope a criteria for determining if something is worth getting bent out of shape over.

Will I even remember it in a year?.......if no.......probably not worth it.
In the reeeeeally big picture, does it matter?.........if no.........oh well, let it go.
Has anyone, been, or will be, hurt?........If not, why bother.
Am I going to accomplish anything by getting upset?........If no, well then maybe I shouldn't.
Am I reacting simply based on my own issues?........if yes, then maybe I had better look at myself rather than the perp.

etc etc etc.......



I dig your criteria. You are one cool lady. ~XO~




cjan -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/3/2008 6:13:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

Dammit Domi, now you're making me feel all slobbery and gooey toward you...


Me too...*sniff*
A sensitive post from the domidude...cool.

Seriously though, I knew you had it in ya all along, of course.

I liked domiguy's post for a number of reasons. Especially though for the story about the life changing experience with the ambulance and the driver who crossed himself. Those experiences, often small and seemingly insignificant are precious. Especially when they touch us so deeply, "haunt" us, and change our views and behavior.

Now don't blow my assumptions about you completely, domidude. Go bash some gash. K ? ;)






Hippiekinkster -> RE: ASS…u & me? (4/4/2008 12:27:41 AM)

On the subject of communicating with members here privately, with assumptions about the other person frequently come expectations about what the result of those communications will be. I have done that very same thing myself. Building castles in the air and picking out the furniture with the expectation that we will be living in it. [:)]




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