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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/1/2008 11:48:39 PM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Well, we share, analyze, comment on, critisize, laugh at, All kinds of personal posts. Seems to me, this is as good a venue as any other for a public appology. Give the girl a break. Haven't we got better things to do, like stomp on submissives in bad relationships, or argue to no end, what a Master is, or the difference between slaves and subs, or the secret meaning behind blow jobs.

It was refreshing to witness real committment. 

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 12:31:38 AM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Is there no measure of compassion left in us? Will we always attack the naive or simplistic? This falls on deaf ears I know.  Will we continue to relish in our judgmental opinions? There are those here that perhaps deserve our derision. Those that analyze an OP's post, word for word, sentence by sentence, not to be constructive, but to gain attention, those of us who couldn't construct a logical argument if we gave them the words and phrases to work with.

Ahhh, here comes another new one. I can hardly wait for her to make a naive post, or ask for help, or wishes to make a public apology to her Dom. We've decided that He doesn't deserve an appogy, so we'll tell her how stupid she is, and wait, it won't take long, we'll tear her post apart and really show her how stupid she is and how smart we are.

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 12:51:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Is there no measure of compassion left in us?
Not in me.
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 Will we always attack the naive or simplistic?
No. sometimes I call it educating.
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 This falls on deaf ears I know. 
I'm only 3/4 deaf thank you.
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 Will we continue to relish in our judgmental opinions?
They are mine, and sometimes I prefer bbq sauce not relish.
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 There are those here that perhaps deserve our derision.
I do I do
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 Those that analyze an OP's post, word for word, sentence by sentence,
like this?
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 not to be constructive, but to gain attention,
Or maybe just to pass time, Or maybe even show each comment it's due attention.
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 those of us who couldn't construct a logical argument if we gave them the words and phrases to work with.
Why would any one want to use some one elses words? And how is logic argumentative?
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Ahhh, here comes another new one.
Do you suggest that ALL "new ones" are the same?
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I can hardly wait for her to make a naive post, or ask for help, or wishes to make a public apology to her Dom.
Or post the individual ravings of  WTFever the poster wants. Aint this the age of the internet?
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 We've decided that He doesn't deserve an appogy, so we'll tell her how stupid she is, and wait, it won't take long, we'll tear her post apart and really show her how stupid she is and how smart we are.

OR. We might take a post apart, comment on each portion of it individually, and hope that the recipient of post shredding takes the intent for what it is. The posting of some one else who has thier own opinion on it. Read it or not. Take the advice or not. Learn from it or not. It is my opinion that I can learn from every one. Including some one like me, who, as witnessed here on these boards, is just as cruel as I am passionate. But hey... Who am I to tear apart some one elses post.

*shit. did it again*

< Message edited by HerLord -- 4/2/2008 12:54:59 AM >

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 12:56:29 AM   
Tygra


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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Is there no measure of compassion left in us? Will we always attack the naive or simplistic? This falls on deaf ears I know.  Will we continue to relish in our judgmental opinions? There are those here that perhaps deserve our derision. Those that analyze an OP's post, word for word, sentence by sentence, not to be constructive, but to gain attention, those of us who couldn't construct a logical argument if we gave them the words and phrases to work with.

Ahhh, here comes another new one. I can hardly wait for her to make a naive post, or ask for help, or wishes to make a public apology to her Dom. We've decided that He doesn't deserve an appogy, so we'll tell her how stupid she is, and wait, it won't take long, we'll tear her post apart and really show her how stupid she is and how smart we are.

I totally agree with you.
That's why I don't bother posting on this Forum, the risk of being bashed far exceeds any help and compassion one might receive.


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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 2:39:27 AM   
Goddess2002


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Status: offline 		It's part of the problem of airing specific relationship problems on a message board...there will be tons of opinions and we don't know how those posters will react to what we're posting. But hey, if several posters can publicly discuss the secret meaning of blow jobs  one can certainly feel it's ok to post a public apology on this board.



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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 5:07:55 AM   
StormsSlave


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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Well, we share, analyze, comment on, critisize, laugh at, All kinds of personal posts. Seems to me, this is as good a venue as any other for a public appology. Give the girl a break. Haven't we got better things to do, like stomp on submissives in bad relationships, or argue to no end, what a Master is, or the difference between slaves and subs, or the secret meaning behind blow jobs.

It was refreshing to witness real committment. 


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Is there no measure of compassion left in us? Will we always attack the naive or simplistic? This falls on deaf ears I know.  Will we continue to relish in our judgmental opinions? There are those here that perhaps deserve our derision. Those that analyze an OP's post, word for word, sentence by sentence, not to be constructive, but to gain attention, those of us who couldn't construct a logical argument if we gave them the words and phrases to work with.

Ahhh, here comes another new one. I can hardly wait for her to make a naive post, or ask for help, or wishes to make a public apology to her Dom. We've decided that He doesn't deserve an appogy, so we'll tell her how stupid she is, and wait, it won't take long, we'll tear her post apart and really show her how stupid she is and how smart we are.


The truth is, this poster put this out there.  New to this site, or bdsm, or whatever, this person put this out there in a public forum where people are free to speak and say whatever they please.  Every single post here is discussed ad nauseum.  Hence the term, "Discussion Board."  If she didn't want people to express their opinions in a forthright and honest, yes, even rude, way, she should have not typed it.  To paraphrase a proverb, "A woman without discretion is like a gold ring in a pig's nose." 

Should we attack her for it?  Maybe, maybe not.  I'm not in the judging people business.  I do know that even most 7-year-olds have learned that what they say in public is heard by others, and that others will react to what they say.  If I stood up in front of a crowd of people and made a public apology to My Lord, I would expect people to comment on it.  I'd be disappointed if they didn't, quite frankly, since it was an obvious bid for attention.

Telling people we shouldn't respond in an honest way, even if it doesn't coddle the poster and baby her and her dom's insecurities is just silly.  If she wants coddling, she should pay for a therapist.  If she wants a public reaction, well...that's what she got.

It's sweet of you to defend the naive, but I admit it sticks in my craw.  If she didn't want people to comment on it, she should have kept it to herself. 

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 5:23:18 AM   
LilMissHaven


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ORIGINAL: athomesub


Gee people I didn't mean to start WWIII. If I knew how I'd just delete it as well as the post yesterday.I already had talked with him at length before posting this. It was more to let those who had posted to my original query know the outcome. The posting was entirely at my initiative. Since I have only vanilla friends I don't have anyone to bounce thoughts and ideas off.


After reading a few return posts to this reply of yours I decided to skip reading what others have written so that their opinion didn't cloud my own, so if I say something another has already said please forgive me.

I also know your new and probably haven't read any of my posts so please as you read what I write keep in mind I'm deaf and have issues with the spoken/written word, especially tone.  So, if you find offense with something I've written or I confuse you please just ask for clarification.

I have been in this lifestyle since I was 18.  And in that time I've seen numerous individuals on both sides of the spectrum use "the lifestyle" as a blanket to cover manipulative and abusive personalities leaving a wake of destruction in their path.  I feel some of the harsher posts are not meant to hurt you but to get you to open your eyes and inspire you to educate yourself to your rights as a slave...and that varies with every Master the question is what are you comfortable giving right now?

other things to keep in mind...

in your original post you said you had spoken to your Master at length about some of the issues you had with his lack of communication and how it damaged your level of trust, you also mentioned that there would be ramifications for your doubting him...Thats a broad spectrum of activities that I myself mistook for punishment...is he going to cane her for his behavior?  OMG! how evil is that (honestly my first thought) but it could also mean that you are going to slow down a bit and work more on effective communication before progressing in your relationship.

The important thing to remember is to hold realistic expectations of yourself and your Master.  Life will sometimes get in the way of communication, he is not perfect but it is not your responsibility to accept punishments for his mistakes.

you mentioned above that this post is of your own innitiative.  My advice is to always remember you are a direct reflection of your Master and when in doubt ask HIM because at the end of the day its HIM you will answer to.

I guess my only real advice is to remember that a lack of trust isn't repaired by punishment...if you have doubt no amounts of beatings will change that.  So maybe now would be a good time to step back with your Master evaluate where you both want to go in your relationship, ways to work on communication, its not quiting its simply building a stronger foundation for your relationship to succeed.

I can remember what it was like to be new and constantly feel like I was doing the wrong thing.  So, if you need me while my profile is hidden I do still receive emails.

Sincerely,
Haven



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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 6:36:51 AM   
LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Is there no measure of compassion left in us? Will we always attack the naive or simplistic? This falls on deaf ears I know.  Will we continue to relish in our judgmental opinions? There are those here that perhaps deserve our derision. Those that analyze an OP's post, word for word, sentence by sentence, not to be constructive, but to gain attention, those of us who couldn't construct a logical argument if we gave them the words and phrases to work with.

Ahhh, here comes another new one. I can hardly wait for her to make a naive post, or ask for help, or wishes to make a public apology to her Dom. We've decided that He doesn't deserve an appogy, so we'll tell her how stupid she is, and wait, it won't take long, we'll tear her post apart and really show her how stupid she is and how smart we are.


Greetings William.

Your compassion speaks loudly, sir, and I am glad you have it.  Your opinion of the matter varies from Mine, but this is the benefit of a forum.  To gain a wide range of views.  If not hoping to hear different opinions, why post at all?  There are other motives, I assure you.  Perhaps seeking sympathy and attention might be one of them.

I have said it before on other threads, and I will say it again here.  Judgement, in and of itself, is not a cursed word.  What else should we rely on but our interpretation of the events and apply them to ourselves?  Is that not one of the influences of discussion?  How else would you suggest anyone form an opinion?




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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 6:39:55 AM   
Madame4a


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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55



It was refreshing to witness real committment. 


Its amazing how people see things so differently... I won't get into specifics, but I didn't see that AT ALL -- my gut reaction was quite the opposite.

To me, real committment would have meant the whole thing would have been settled and apologized for within the relationship, not on a discussion board on a public web site.

its funny... those different interpretations...

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 6:49:51 AM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Idk...

I think until *he* is willing to share his activities with his wife, you don't owe him anything, let alone a public apology.

Then again a self-proclaimed 'master' who must lie and sneak to get what he wants isn't much of a master in my book.

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 6:58:59 AM   
subtee


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What is this "secret meaning of blow jobs??????"

It's not in any of my subbie manuals and I've been on hold with tech support for 2 hours!

help

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 7:55:38 AM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Page 125...from The Secret Book of Dominants.

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 8:29:07 AM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Reasoned discussion is fine. Disagreeing with an OP's post or suggesting she is naive is fine by me. Ranting at her for really no good reason is not.  More often than not,  it's the tone of a response, sometimes vicious, verging on verbal abuse that sticks in my craw.

I agree, we all form judgments about issues and people, but hopefully they are well considered. We have a right to express those judgments, but one would hope in a reasonable manner.




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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 8:39:27 AM   
subtee


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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Page 125...from The Secret Book of Dominants.


Could I borrow your copy? I've, uh, ~cough~ misplaced mine..

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 8:49:10 AM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		She obviously felt that she did, why exactly, I couldn't say. She might have been better recieved in the Submissives Forum. Is he a jerk, yes probably. Then why riducule her.

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 8:56:05 AM   
akisha


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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Well, we share, analyze, comment on, critisize, laugh at, All kinds of personal posts. Seems to me, this is as good a venue as any other for a public appology. Give the girl a break. Haven't we got better things to do, like stomp on submissives in bad relationships, or argue to no end, what a Master is, or the difference between slaves and subs, or the secret meaning behind blow jobs.

It was refreshing to witness real committment. 


First off, I did not attack the OP, I just stated i don't see how something very personal should be shared with hordes of strangers that have no involvement with the relationship.

But hey, I'm not one to reveal every little scrap of information about my life with friends and family let alone strangers.

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 8:56:43 AM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		subtee...it's a secret book. It's bad enough that subs have us Dom/Dommes wrapped around their little fingers, but to give away our only hope for redemption and survival as a species.....no, I couldn't betray my fellow dominants.


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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 9:02:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

subtee...it's a secret book. It's bad enough that subs have us Dom/Dommes wrapped around their little fingers, but to give away our only hope for redemption and survival as a species.....no, I couldn't betray my fellow dominants.


Awww c'mon Master W you know you waaaaaanna...we won't tell, scout's honor...

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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 9:11:39 AM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		I saw the reason.  Attention, .... and wasn't that the title of the original issue?
As for the real committment thing .... *EYEROLL*
LOL my eye must have popped out and gotten full of dust, because I saw no evidence of that in the post. 
Putting things out here in the world, you take things as they come in.  Bad, good, indifferent, people will comment and the reader can pick and choose what they need.
What should we do?
I can see it now, any comment is going to be followed up by
"how nice" "that's sweet" "I'll bet that hurt" "You should have dusted off that eye"

Whether or not people coddle who ever posts, or rips them some new reality, isn't it better that it be an honest response? 
*going to dust my eyes now*
Kyst


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ORIGINAL: akisha

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Well, we share, analyze, comment on, critisize, laugh at, All kinds of personal posts. Seems to me, this is as good a venue as any other for a public appology. Give the girl a break. Haven't we got better things to do, like stomp on submissives in bad relationships, or argue to no end, what a Master is, or the difference between slaves and subs, or the secret meaning behind blow jobs.

It was refreshing to witness real committment. 


First off, I did not attack the OP, I just stated i don't see how something very personal should be shared with hordes of strangers that have no involvement with the relationship.

But hey, I'm not one to reveal every little scrap of information about my life with friends and family let alone strangers.


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RE: A Formal Apology - 4/2/2008 9:16:04 AM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		I didn't suggest you in particular attacked her. My comment was generalized. The part that appies to you, is that I found the committment in her post, refreshing, misplaced or misguided not withstanding. I simply disagreed with you.

I hereby offer you a public appology if you felt everything in that post was aimed at you in particular. Ya, I know, not funny. I too can be an asshole at times.

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