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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 1:33:45 PM

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Not really. Did you read that Snopes article regarding all the steps you're supposed to take if a cfl bulb breaks?

Yes really. Note that they mentioned that you do NOT need to call Hazmat out if a CFL bulb breaks and they do NOT stick you with the bill for cleanup.

Some of the concerns with CFL bulbs are legit, others are just paranoia and misconstruing the facts. Much like most political/environmental "issues."

As far as my own opinion on CFL bulbs? Fuck it, I'm terrified of the dark, having to wait five seconds while the damn thing powers up is NOT on my list of things that I ever want to have to deal with.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 1:41:56 PM

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I have been around light bulbs all of my life....Unlike many of you I have actually had them go on directly over my head.

Isn't it wonderful that people are willing to criticize toilets that use less water or light bulbs that burn for years....I can't recall how many bulbs I have broken outside of a garbage can....Very, very few. I'm sure most were broken out of carelessness...I'm guessing it is between 2-4 broken light bulbs.

Complain. That is all that you are good for. Leave your water flowing while you brush your teeth. Dump your used motor oil down the sewer. Why would you ever consider inconveniencing yourself? What would you have to complain about? It never ceases to amaze me how inconsiderate, selfish and sluggish some people allow themselves to become.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 1:58:56 PM

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Its reminiscent of the push towards bio-fuels. Seemed like a great idea - except now there is no much land given over to growing bio-fuels that there isnt enough food to go round and prices are shooting up, affecting the poorest most of all.

What I cant for the life of me fathom though, is how no one thinks these things through - they seem to spend a lot of time and energy on thinking of ways to solve one problem, without considering what other problem might thereby be occasioned. These arent stupid people, which is why I find it so surprising. Cynics might conclude that they dont mention problematic effects for some other reason.

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Lack of food is a scam to you know, I live in Southern Illinois, smack in the middle of what has to be one if not the most fertile growing area on the face of the planet, and we have land just not producing anything all over the place, this area could easily increase its production of food. at least enough to feed another country or two. No doubt. I don't understand it. It seems the system doesn't want everyone to be able to afford everything or else the profit margin goes down and therefore our valued class based existence becomes less meaningful . So, profits are more important than human life, what's new.

Anyway, we have a field next to here we own, that could feed probably 10 families year round, just sits there empty, and gets mowed, it's nice thick fertile soil(I know because I had to bury a pipe in it). I don't grow anything in it because I don't have time to compared to the cost of buying it, but if food prices keep rising people are going to see rows of corn, green beans and whatever else over there,LOL. Probably think I'm nuts.

If you want to grow food you can grow it yourself to, even if you're urban, hydroponics is pretty basic stuff, and you can grow food year round.

Just type in hydroponics in a search engine, everything you need can be bought at your local Wal-Mart equivalent for cheap.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 1:59:02 PM

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Sorry but I just don't think that our govt. should be "telling" us what to do.
That is exactly backwards, it's The People who "tell" the govt what to do.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 2:02:22 PM

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I have been around light bulbs all of my life....Unlike many of you I have actually had them go on directly over my head.

Isn't it wonderful that people are willing to criticize toilets that use less water or light bulbs that burn for years....I can't recall how many bulbs I have broken outside of a garbage can....Very, very few. I'm sure most were broken out of carelessness...I'm guessing it is between 2-4 broken light bulbs.

Complain. That is all that you are good for. Leave your water flowing while you brush your teeth. Dump your used motor oil down the sewer. Why would you ever consider inconveniencing yourself? What would you have to complain about? It never ceases to amaze me how inconsiderate, selfish and sluggish some people allow themselves to become.

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God Damn it!

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I’m sorry, what was that? I didn’t hear you because I was busy plunging my toilette once again.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 2:05:53 PM

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As far as florescent lighting, I'd just skip that whole fad and just wait for LED lights like others have mentioned. I was actually looking into hydroponics here recently thus my previous post and the prices are coming down.

These are for growing indoor plants, for virtually no energy costs(the site caters to pot growers, but pot growers are experts in hydroponics, hehe).

http://www.gro-tek.com/SALES.html

Not to bad cost wise. And that is bound to fall once it get's completely comoditized. So, don't fret to much, LED's last for about 7 years (100,000 hours), and don't cost crap to run(about 20 or so percent of regular bulbs electricity). The tech is almost there but I really like the idea of growing with LED's because the electricity is so cheap, and supposed the lights are designed to just emit the wavelengths plants primarily use to grow.

Sorta rambled all around there, but LED's are really exciting for energy reduction and even indoor growing applications. Supposedly thirty percent of our electricity use is for lighting.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 2:07:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

I am sure you all know that the "goverment' is phasing out regular lightbulbs for the low energy cfl lightbulbs ohhhhh but wait a minute they forgot to tell us heavens forbid we should ever drop and break one...Its a 11 step process clean up ,its seems there is mercury and toxic waste involved call old Hazmat out to clean up your house and OH yeah we shall sent you a bill...Not to mention all the land fills poluted with toxic waste..BOY OH I can't wait to see the next generation of birth defects caused by this shit.....Now mercury is NASTY SHIT I WAS EXPOSED DURING AN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT...WAKE UP CALL YOUR SENATORS,,YOUR VOICE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE ESPECIALLY DURING THE ELECTION CYCLE... Great idea conserving engery But there is just this one little thing WE forgot to tell you....ooops sorry!!

Bit of a hype-mongerer aren't you? There's no need for hazmat with broken CF lighting. Go read Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp) to get a more balanced view of the situation. Yes, much like batteries, fluorescent bulbs do need to be disposed of properly. Is that really such a big deal?

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 2:11:03 PM

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I've been using CFL bulbs for years not out of any sort of enviromental concern but because I'm cheap and lazy. They last a lot longer than standard bulbs at a price not too much above regular bulbs. Never broken one yet. I keep 2 incandescent bulbs in the apartment for the two lamps I read by since I don't like reading by flourescent light but all my other bulbs are CFL.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 2:11:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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I have been around light bulbs all of my life....Unlike many of you I have actually had them go on directly over my head.

Isn't it wonderful that people are willing to criticize toilets that use less water or light bulbs that burn for years....I can't recall how many bulbs I have broken outside of a garbage can....Very, very few. I'm sure most were broken out of carelessness...I'm guessing it is between 2-4 broken light bulbs.

Complain. That is all that you are good for. Leave your water flowing while you brush your teeth. Dump your used motor oil down the sewer. Why would you ever consider inconveniencing yourself? What would you have to complain about? It never ceases to amaze me how inconsiderate, selfish and sluggish some people allow themselves to become.

Galoopa... Galoopa... Galoopa...

God Damn it!

Galoopa... Galoopa... Galoopa...

I’m sorry, what was that? I didn’t hear you because I was busy plunging my toilette once again.

Galoopa... Galoopa... Galoopa...

Please tell me your plunging it out by hand and not utilizing the super dooper pooper scooper which causes more pollution than all of the shit combined going into our sewers....lol.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 2:22:24 PM

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It's hilarious when a thread on lightbulbs is actually a decoy for a political bitchfest

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 3:33:25 PM

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I'm not convinced Moloch I'm sorry. We need food and we cant eat anything else, whilst we could power our vehicles and homes with something other than oil products.

The great mistake is that biofuels require additional arrable land. Hydroponic and greenhouse technology are more than sufficient to open other alternative means of cultivation. If one is going to agitate on anything about biofuels, it should be towards the intensive use of technology throughout the production process.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 4:58:12 PM

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Hydroponic or greenhouse "farming" isn't nearly efficient enough for it to be cost effective for anything other than high dollar crops. Like, you know, growing tomatoes...

To make relatively cheap biofuels, what you have to do is starve the poorest people, and make the cost of food double and triple for everyone else. It's just simple economics...

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The great mistake is that biofuels require additional arrable land. Hydroponic and greenhouse technology are more than sufficient to open other alternative means of cultivation. If one is going to agitate on anything about biofuels, it should be towards the intensive use of technology throughout the production process.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 7:41:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

As far as florescent lighting, I'd just skip that whole fad and just wait for LED lights like others have mentioned. I was actually looking into hydroponics here recently thus my previous post and the prices are coming down.

These are for growing indoor plants, for virtually no energy costs(the site caters to pot growers, but pot growers are experts in hydroponics, hehe).

http://www.gro-tek.com/SALES.html

Not to bad cost wise. And that is bound to fall once it get's completely comoditized. So, don't fret to much, LED's last for about 7 years (100,000 hours), and don't cost crap to run(about 20 or so percent of regular bulbs electricity). The tech is almost there but I really like the idea of growing with LED's because the electricity is so cheap, and supposed the lights are designed to just emit the wavelengths plants primarily use to grow.

Sorta rambled all around there, but LED's are really exciting for energy reduction and even indoor growing applications. Supposedly thirty percent of our electricity use is for lighting.

Try this site out for LED lighting needs: C.CRANE LED Light Bulbs

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National Energy Savings: If every U.S. household replaced just one standard 60 watt bulb with a CC Vivid LED bulb, we could save 24,184,400,000 watts or 24,184.4 mega (million) watts per day. National savings information based on 103,000,000 households with an average use of 4 hrs per day per house. Based on gross watts.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 8:06:29 PM

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As the price of gas goes up, the size of our cars will naturally get smaller and there will be fewer of them. As electricity goes up you will see more solar and low energy bulbs. We will see the day where we will put up panels to power our own lighting needs. As the price goes up folks will adapt.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 8:51:58 PM

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I am all in for whatever helps rescue the environment from the terrors of human kind... Mass suicide anyone?

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 9:03:25 PM

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I’m sorry, what was that? I didn’t hear you because I was busy plunging my toilette once again.

Galoopa... Galoopa... Galoopa...

Dude... you either need a toilet slave or a serious change in your diet...

That can't be good for you.

As for CFLs... it's funny that this has been making the rounds of the internet so much lately, and yet, it's so rare that anyone brings up the point that regular florescent bulbs have been used in the tens of millions for decades now... but suddenly the world is going to end because of small ones?

Let me tell you, i dropped one of the eight-foot bulbs in my shop while i was changing it, probably the equivalent of a case or so worth of CFLs, and i'm still alive to tell the tale. No Superfund cleanup, no EPA or CDC thugs in space suits ransacking the place, nothing. It's ok. Really. We'll get through this. Just like when people switched from gaslamps to that new-fangled electricity stuff.

i switched most of our lights to them when we moved in, mostly because it gets friggin hot here, and incandescent bulbs give off a ton of waste heat that i really don't need in the house. Technology. Live it. Love it.

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 9:20:33 PM

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Also- CFLs take a slightly longer time to come on, but at least for indoor applications, it should be less than a second. If you're waiting several seconds, you've either got a voltage drop on the line (possibly a dimmer switch, possibly an overloaded circuit) or a junk bulb.

Now, LED is a better technology in the long run, but at the moment, it's really not ready for widespread adoption in homes. The beam pattern is far narrower than a conventional bulb, and the light output of individual LEDs is generally low (with the exception of a few hot multi-watt units that require their own circuit boards and heat sinks), and they don't operate anywhere near line voltage... All of which means that the LED equivalent for a conventional 60-watt bulb currently requires a metric shitload of LEDs, which brings up MBTF issues of the individual diodes and dramatically increases production costs. Not ready yet. Although, i understand they're very popular with boaters, RVers, and off-the-grid homesteads that run off 12V and need to count every Watt. i also use them for the nightlights in our house

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 9:20:53 PM

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Not really. Did you read that Snopes article regarding all the steps you're supposed to take if a cfl bulb breaks?

And who is going to do all of that.

Bottom line is that after years of using cfl bulbs, mercury contamination will be a fact of life everywhere you go. And mercury is nasty.

As for using cropland to grow fuel, it doesn't matter what crop is used, the poorest among us are going to be starved. Riots are underway as we type these posts, though they get no front page press. It's there for the Googling though, if anyone cares to learn about it.

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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

Debunked by Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp

AS far as fuels shall we say the dreaded works,"go nuke' gulps but that what we are coming to as the third world keeps popping out children with a growing rate ..we all are going to be fighting and scrapping for the nest bite....My gardens are hidden away smile....Composting shitters are great we have one at the camp on the river...bounty

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 9:28:43 PM

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I am sure you all know that the "goverment' is phasing out regular lightbulbs for the low energy cfl lightbulbs ohhhhh but wait a minute they forgot to tell us heavens forbid we should ever drop and break one...Its a 11 step process clean up ,its seems there is mercury and toxic waste involved call old Hazmat out to clean up your house and OH yeah we shall sent you a bill...Not to mention all the land fills poluted with toxic waste..BOY OH I can't wait to see the next generation of birth defects caused by this shit.....Now mercury is NASTY SHIT I WAS EXPOSED DURING AN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT...WAKE UP CALL YOUR SENATORS,,YOUR VOICE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE ESPECIALLY DURING THE ELECTION CYCLE... Great idea conserving engery But there is just this one little thing WE forgot to tell you....ooops sorry!!

Bit of a hype-mongerer aren't you? There's no need for hazmat with broken CF lighting. Go read Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp) to get a more balanced view of the situation. Yes, much like batteries, fluorescent bulbs do need to be disposed of properly. Is that really such a big deal?

Hype monger smiles..go check nbc news who is the owner GE and they just came out with it on air I can find the program date for you If I must...Maybe tongue in cheek about hasmat but there is a consiberable clean up involved and diffently a big health issue...You can't read worth a fuck with them and I can't use them in my well house to keep the water from freezing...bounty
..PS yes its really a big deal when my and the health of my children are concerned....Just keep letting big brother pushing this shit on you and we all will soon look like one of those mutant movies skin hanging off deformed bodys....You keep believing your goverment...Yeah right....BH

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RE: Another big brother fuck up... - 4/3/2008 9:36:56 PM

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Hydroponic or greenhouse "farming" isn't nearly efficient enough for it to be cost effective for anything other than high dollar crops. Like, you know, growing tomatoes...

To make relatively cheap biofuels, what you have to do is starve the poorest people, and make the cost of food double and triple for everyone else. It's just simple economics...

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
The great mistake is that biofuels require additional arrable land. Hydroponic and greenhouse technology are more than sufficient to open other alternative means of cultivation. If one is going to agitate on anything about biofuels, it should be towards the intensive use of technology throughout the production process.

Sanity a good souce of protein to make fuels are animal waste from all the stock yards just load it up and shit opps ship it out it ...Our maybe we need to dump it all at the capital....A fellow near me is heating his home and powering it from methane made from his goats waste...BH

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