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Maya2001 -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 5:45:15 PM)
UMMM It seems many of the straight doms that are highly successful and intelligent tend to be sadists not masochists, and of most of the gays males I have met far from the majority would be highly intelligent masochists...... so just out of my experiences I don't see that trend and my own son has close to a 150 IQ and is neither gay , a masochist and even interested in a BDSM lifestyle

HardToTame -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 7:14:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55 Does that mean we have to be above average intelligence to be in the lifestyle? Is there a test? If a mistress wills it why not work towards it if only for her benefit? What harm is there from being smarter? Knowledge is power. But, it shouldn't have to be something that is whipped into you, it should be something that every person strives for. To gain as much knowledge as they can. If anything I think it's just, you want to be the best for the person you worship. You want them to love you and adore you and you work and work and work towards that so that they can say "wow theres something to this person." I don't think theres a difference between a slave and a 'slave'. I think, the one thing every slave wants is to be free. I think what a 'slave' wants is to be whipped, and I mean that both metaphorically and literally. I know I have talents. I KNOW I do, and I believe EVERYBODY does. I believe every person has something they are good at. I don't currently, have a mistress, but I have a girlfriend instead and she serves as an inspiration to those talents. I do it to be the best for her, just as if I had a mistress instead of a girlfriend, I'd rise to be the best at those skills if only to give that mistress a reason to be proud of me. So that when she's sitting around the dungeon with other mistresses she can brag and be proud because her slave is good at something, if not many things. The link how ever, well, how many homicidal murderers have higher IQ's? What's the link there? What about people with Autism? Theres a documentary called 'Creative Disorders' that I think you may enjoy watching. The think there is a link between Masochism and Creativity. I think, BDSM and the whole, world of that is so far from the norm, and creative people simpley aren't content with whats normal because they NEED more. Normal Vanilla sex, is just, well boring, and so if you have a mind that KNOWS theres more ways to have sex out there then your going to go and look for them. It's such a mental thing. Somewhere else I wrote that slaves I think are truly dominated in their minds via a Mistress who can create a fantasy for them. Thus, if a slave is bigger in size, even though he or she in REALITY holds that dominance, the mistress is binding them with fantasy, using, agression, seduction and other tools at her whim. Creative people thrive on fantasy, they live for it, and so I think the link with Masochism and Creative genius is that, because it allows so much variety and creativity, masochism simply appeals to alot of creative people. Thats just my 2c. Sorry to go on and on

katie978 -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 8:03:14 PM)
What gives me the mark of masochism? Well, sometimes it's the paddle or the dragontail. Sometimes it's an enthusiastic mouth. Often times it's the cane...

AquaticSub -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 8:30:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dea2008 Is it because of the natures bounty to give you some special abilities , the nature at the same time gives you deformity of mind - to be in the paradise of hell ? Wow. Just wow. Look, I don't know about your mind but mine doesn't feel very deformed. Nor do I feel like I'm in hell during a scene. If that's your kink, go for it. I'd say more but I suspect someone else has already let you have it.

AquaticSub -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 8:33:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dea2008 Sorry Why among intellectuals , philosophers , excellent artists ,succesful Businessmans and succesful Politicians... so many masochists? :-)) quote: There is a stereotipe that most of the genius are gays. I think that most of the genius are the masochists and gays. Gays and masochists are among the greatest genius. The ones who do not belong to these groups are in majority - the self-controlled gays and masochists. Please provide the sources from which you are drawing these facts. Not to be mean, but I'll give you three guesses as to where I think these facts came from...

MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 9:20:30 PM)
Smiles.....errr ummmm, my post was a joke...a kind of reference to topics of similar ilk. Seriously, genius is found in all walks of life, all lifestyles. I'm not sure what your trying to get at in your post. Are you agreeing with the OP or disagreeing. I disagree with the OP, just in case you weren't sure.

MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 9:32:49 PM)
What, no needles, cupping, cutting, branding, scarification, water boarding, breath play? I'm teasing you a bit, but only a bit.

HardToTame -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/3/2008 11:29:36 PM)
I just had the strangest feeling of deja vu for some reason.

BitaTruble -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 12:18:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dea2008 I am very far from being a genius , and also far from being a person of a great talant , but yes I have some talants , and I think the masochists are in absolute majority are the people who in another fields of their beings are the people of special abilities. I think that among the masochists there are the people of great talants and some masochists are even the people of great genius. Is it because of the natures bounty to give you some special abilities , the nature at the same time gives you deformity of mind - to be in the paradise of hell ? I believe I understand what you're saying and I'm fairly certain I know where the idea comes from as well. You've made a rather large assumption that being a masochist is a deformity of the mind rather than a normal or natural expression of sexuality or sensuality for any given individual. Going on that assumption, I think you are embracing the myth that when one is denied one of the five senses, the others are enhanced. That's not founded on any scientific fact. If you go blind, for example, your sense of hearing is not enhanced. It remains constant. What does tend to happen is that because you no longer get visual cues, you focus more on your hearing and are more aware of your hearing .. you don't, however, hear better, you're just more likely to maximize something you've always had but didn't utilize. Getting back to masochism, you seem to be saying something of the same thing here. An individual, having been denied 'normal' human sexuality, is enhanced in some other area (you suggest special talents) to make up for this perceived deficiency. I would suggest that is also a myth and for much the same reasons. What is there, is there. It's up to each individual to find and utilize their talents regardless of their orientation. Someone who has the propensity to delve into self may find something within that another person who has no care for self-awareness may not, but that won't put something inside of you that wasn't already there. There are plenty of people who are masochists and that's all they know of themselves. There are plenty of people who are completely vanilla and completely self-aware and find their talents. It crosses all orientations. Celeste

mefisto69 -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 4:12:02 AM)
if you select artists and performing artists - writers and even athletes as specific groups, you could call them masochists for striving so hard to perfect their skills. are they? probably very few. we know what it takes to present 'near' perfection to the public and work tirelessly toward that goal. that said, i am a very dominant man, was a child prodigy and still perform around the world. it takes thousands of hours at the piano to 'perfect' a piece of music. i read a graphic language with only a few other words in yet other written languages as guide lines for interpretation. i work endlessly - playing over and over the tiniest of segments - translating them into human emotional constructs that i must train my muscles and mind to remember and then i translate them, through mechanical means into a fleeting aural presentation.... not a penny is paid for all this preparation and because life is so full of chaos/ indeterminacy - there may never be two exact performances. ...a recording is a snapshot in time and can be played over and over again...reality is quite different, but all the pain on the climb is worth it to us..... as many agree on - we're wired this way.

littlebitxxx -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 7:40:49 AM)
Maybe it's because those we recognize as geniuses or having special or great talent have succeeded after a lifetime of pain, hard work, self-denial, and sheer willpower. Nothing comes easy and those that are "the best" at it have worked long and hard to get that way. They saw their future and nothing, absolutely nothing, was going to stand in their way. Any discomfort or denial was a minor thing compared to the outcome, and just something else to be overcome. They put themselves through the most rigorous training schedule and kept at it, denying themselves comfort and ease. Yep, sounds like a masochist to me.

Dnomyar -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 8:16:18 AM)
Van Goghs wife always bitched at him in that ear. He cut if off to stop her from doing so. It must have worked because he kept his other ear.

akisha -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 8:20:38 AM)
~FR~ I think the only specialized talent masochists have in common is the one that lets them morph painful stimuli into pleasure. OP, i think your information where ever you may be getting it is seriously flawed.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 8:31:49 AM)
Yeah, Europeans tend to have strange ideas about these things. You seem them still using the word "pervert," too. It's like they're stuck in the nineteenth century or something. To the OP: Americans don't think BDSM is a symptom of a mental disorder. quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: dea2008 Is it because of the natures bounty to give you some special abilities , the nature at the same time gives you deformity of mind - to be in the paradise of hell ? Wow. Just wow.

NorthernGent -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 8:44:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Yeah, Europeans tend to have strange ideas about these things. You seem them still using the word "pervert," too. It's like they're stuck in the nineteenth century or something. To the OP: Americans don't think BDSM is a symptom of a mental disorder. Wooahhhh, hold up a minute. Europeans? The bloke is from Estonia. The equivalent would be a Peruvian saying, "I think all women's clits should be cut out with a spoon"....and a Scotsman responding, "Yeah, that's the Americans for you......muddling through in the 17th century". To the LaM: the English are quite liberal on these matters and, in actual fact, BDSM is an accepted part of our society; for example, we tend not to worry about hiding our photos on an English website because we can rest quite comfortably in the knowledge that our bosses wouldn't fire us on the grounds of sexual preference.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 8:52:20 AM)
OK, OK, Continental Europeans. And anyway I said "tend." But how many profiles have I seen from Germany about "pervers" this and "pervers" that? "Geile Fickhure, maso und pervers!" An American profile would just say something like "Horny painslut available for your use." Nothing about perversion...

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 8:53:09 AM)
I think you have to rethink your grounds for the queston, OP. Perhaps, maybe, the most openly known masochists might be the geniuses and great acheivers, simply becasue it comes out with them along with their achievements... But that does not mean that there are a greated number of them, or that there is a relatonship between their intelligence and their masochism. That is like drawing a parallel between being famous and being unfaithful to your marriage. It only SEEMs there are more famous people who cheat, becasue we hear about them. Personal point, of my little family, all of us are of above average intelligence. Angel is above me, Fox and I are about on par, and all of us are well above the average mark. With that said, Fox is a masochist, I am a Sadist and Angel has no interest in S&M at all. Wheres that leave the theory? DV

LaTigresse -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 9:01:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dea2008 Sorry Why among intellectuals , philosophers , excellent artists ,succesful Businessmans and succesful Politicians... so many masochists? :-)) For every one of those I could find you a trailer trash living moron with barely two brain cells to rub together. WE ARE NOT ALL THAT SPECIAL!

NorthernGent -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 9:09:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster OK, OK, Continental Europeans. And anyway I said "tend." But how many profiles have I seen from Germany about "pervers" this and "pervers" that? "Geile Fickhure, maso und pervers!" An American profile would just say something like "Horny painslut available for your use." Nothing about perversion... Fair enough, then. 'Bit surprised with the Germans as an example, though, because in my experience they're far from shy and retiring in these matters. Perhaps it's a translation thing. To be fair, the Eastern Europeans tend to have a different mindset.........Neo-Nazism thrives in that part of the world......but I suppose it's poverty breeding a sub-standard education and intolerance. Either way, the OP isn't making a great deal of sense to me.

MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Why the nature beside the genius or a great talant , gives you the mark of masochism ? (4/4/2008 9:20:27 AM)
I think a masochist is someone who deliberately seeks pain for pains sake, not because they have had to work hard to achieve a level of success or fame.. In psychiatry it's defined as a condition where one achieves sexual gratification through suffering and humiliation. You find pleasure in self-denial. By your definition, everyone could be considered a masochist, just because they have to work to survive. It's not the end result that matters, but the process of pain and deliberately seeking it out. Masoch describes this condition in his novel Venus in Furs. This fetish is named after him. There are also an endless number of other books on this subject. We often describe people as being masochistic for the self-denial they have to endure to achive there goals, but thats hyperbole, an obvious and intentional exaggeration. Because a genius, like yourself, is dedicated to his craft, his science, his sport etc and that requires self-denial and pain, doesn't by itself make you a masochist. It does though, make you successful.

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