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MsHonor -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 12:37:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: StormsSlave Bottom line: obedience does not equal bisexuality. Exactly. On the one hand I don't think there's any big mystery here. The subject of the question obviously is of the "submissive = slave = total surrend of will & no limits" ...um... one does hesitate to call such a line of thought a "school"... or, for that matter "thought". On the other hand, he - assuming it's a he - is equally obviously bad at English. "bisexual" connotes desire for and attraction to both sexes. It can neither be ordered, created, nor abrogated. Putting a ham-hock into a horses mouth doesn't make it a "carnivore", and putting wheels on a goat doesn't make it a Buick.

IronBear -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 12:50:40 AM)
Unfortunately, there some who think that if you are a sub/slave you must automatically be bisexual. But then I dare say that most of that ilk are not serious Dominants and are indeed Dominants in their own dunny. I need to know a sub/slave's sexua;l orientation and if straight if they can become a "forced bisexual person" for thre purposes of some areas of play. (Note, I use the term Forced Bisexual in reference to the hetrosexual sub/slave who will perform sexually with a same sex partner on command but socially has no interest in such activities). There are times when the sadistic side of me enjoys their discomfort exspecially when there are witnesses. Mostly thouge I prefer that a girl be bisexual because it opens up for other areas of play in which I have no desire to force anything or ony one. Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage (A Victorian Lifestyle poly home) "I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)

Maya2001 -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 2:41:49 AM)
Whether you are sub or slave no one can force you to be bi or be involved in a bi relationship without your consent.if it goes against your morals if you are straight and or want monogamous only then you need to find a Dom or Master that will respect that it makes no difference whether you label yourself as sub or slave

petpete -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 2:42:11 AM)
Ofcourse you can fly, i can see you up on a roof..

RavenMuse -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 2:56:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tahlly I am not bisexual; I will never be bisexual. I have absolutly no interest in having intimate/sexual relations with a woman. However; if my owner was to decide that I WAS TO become intimate or to have sexual relations with a woman; I would do so. Not because it suddenly 'makes me bisexual'; but because he tells me to do something of this nature; as per our agreement; I do it. I do not have like it, I do not have to enjoy it; what' s more...he does not expect me to like or enjoy it for him. As long as I follow orders, that's all he wants. It still does not make me bisexual though [:)] Bingo! Give that girl a cookie :) Someone isn't going to become bi simply because their Master tells them too. Doing as He requires doesn't change what you are.

Justme696 -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 2:59:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sabirah "Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive" for a sub perhaps (but not the DOm(mes) choice), for a slave...no choice

eyesopened -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 3:16:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsHonor putting wheels on a goat doesn't make it a Buick. Thank you! i was searching for a way to describe my opinion of Buicks! wheels on a goat works! Seriously, my opinion is there are not many bisexuals even among those who do find enjoyment in same-sex contact. What i mean is, how many would actively seek same-sex relationship were there not an opposite-sex relationship involved? Yes, of course there are bi-sexuals who truely would seek same-sex relationships even romances (those people are normally referred to as "*very* bi") but i believe there are many more who can enjoy same-sex as an activity but which does not touch their heart. i'm straight. Like so many others, if Master told me to perform a sexual act with another female i would do it. i would hate every second of it. In that senario, hopefully the other female would love that i hated it because otherwise it would be two females punished, not just one.

MissIsis -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 3:28:09 AM)
I believe there are lots of men who claim to be dominant because they see it as a way to get their sexual fantasies realized. Let's face it, there are quite a number of men who love the idea of 2 women getting it on. If it takes dominating someone to get there.......... let's just say this is fairly common. As some of the posters have written, there are also quite a few women that are more than willing because: A. They want to please their dominant B. They feel that is what it takes to be a good submissive C. Numerous other reasons Personally, I think bi-sexual has become a label in the bdsm world. If someone really wants to know if the submissive they are courting is bi-sexual, or if the woman they are wanting is, one really needs to dig much deeper. But that doesn't seem to matter to a good portion of the males on bdsm sites, who are looking for an easy way to get their sexual kicks. You have to give the person who wrote the profile that is referred to by the original poster of this thread some credit for saying up front that is what he expects.

MsHonor -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 3:34:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened (those people are normally referred to as "*very* bi") but i believe there are many more who can enjoy same-sex as an activity but which does not touch their heart. I'm glad I made you smile... :-) But, whoever is "normally" using the word "bisexual" that way is using it wrong. It's binary in nature. Either you're attracted to members of both sexes, or you're not. It's not about touching your heart so much as about touching your libido. I have heard "a little" or "very" or "theoretically" used to modify "bisexual" in terms of the frequency or commonness of that attraction with arguable correctness... But it's not a matter of whether or not you do it. "Bisexual" is not, in any way, a matter of doing something you have no natural urge or desire to do, for it's own sake, to be obedient. That's just a heterosexual boy/girl performing a homosexual act, on command. It's like when they guy gets drunk and finds his junk in some other guy's mouth... "OMG! Does this mean I'm gay!?!" No. It means you were drunk. it doesn't mean "a little gay" or "somewhat gay" Nor is the sober guy who was blowing him "very gay" (although, if he's a total Queen, we might call him "very gay" ;-) It's just a matter of denotative, clinical definitions as opposed to loose, connotative casual definitions. Homosexual, heterosexual, and bisexual already have proper clinical definitions... We don't need to make up new ones.

Goddess2002 -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 3:40:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick I read it as, "I want a bisexual submissive, therefore, even if you are not bisexual, you will be when you are with me, because I make all the rules." I did not read it as "all submissives are bisexual." Cali But it should be noted that it doesn't mean the person BECOMES a bisexual- it simply means that they will have sex with who they are told to have sex with. I don't think you can order someone to change sexual orientation just because they make the rules. Of course not. That would be like ordering someone to change their skin or eye color.

christine1 -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 3:59:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist He's been watching too much pornography. what? you mean what goes on in porn isn't reality? aww shucks, my dreams of having perfect make up and hair even after being banged by half the city are gone, gone i tell ya! [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image]

robertolapiedra -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 5:49:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sabirah glancing at some profiles and this one caught my eye. I am curious to learn, Is this a common way to think? Here is His opening line: "Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive" Hello sabirah. No it is not a common (as in common sense) way to think. Doms and dommes are not straight because they are dominants. Lots of bisexual dominants exist and they are quite easy to find (if they don't find you first!). Actually that is very stupid thinking for a dom... Maybe he meant to say '' Of course you do bi. You're a submissive''. Then again, that also would be something very stupid to say. What about : ''Of course you are very smart. You're a dom''? Now that's just plain funny! (and stupid). RL.

RedAnhedonia -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 5:55:43 AM)
I am submissive. I am NOT bisexual. Been there. Done that. The T-shirt didn't fit.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 6:07:38 AM)
quote: I believe there are lots of men who claim to be dominant because they see it as a way to get their sexual fantasies realized. Count me as one of those. Having two bi women go at it is hot, having two women who aren't bit go at it to please you? Priceless

IronBear -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 6:32:24 AM)
Of course, one of the misconceptions which I see often is that a bisexual man or woman will be ready for a sexual romp with any one of the same sex. Only one of the many sisexual people I know would fill that concept, where as the majority if the bisexual folk I know are the same as the hetrosexual folk, they are discerning about who they want to play with socially and the chemistry has to be there. To find a second bisexual sub/slave willing and eager to play with the oine you have (assuming you do have one), and who is also willing and eager to play with you sexually is of course another story and a much harder find generally. Just a general comment and not in responce to any post what so ever. Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage (A Victorian Lifestyle poly home) "I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)

bipolarber -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 6:32:45 AM)
Let me just say that, as a bi male, getting someone to play across their orientation is an amazingly quick way to sink a relationship to the bottom of the ocean. No, seriously, the Titanic would be considered a a slow leak in comparison. The moment you push someone to do something that screws with their sense of self, their identity like that, you are going to inspire tons of resentment, anger and probably outright hatred. Good luck with that.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 6:45:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sabirah glancing at some profiles and this one caught my eye. I am curious to learn, Is this a common way to think? Here is His opening line: "Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive" i bet if you said to this same guy "of course you share your meat with other men, you're a Dom" he'd piss himslf in righteous indigation....generalizations made about anyone based solely upon their role can be way off. It's a bit of a lazy style of Domination, i think....like "one size fits all BDSM" as opposed to "custom made,custom fitted."[sm=2cents.gif]

Leatherist -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 6:58:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Let me just say that, as a bi male, getting someone to play across their orientation is an amazingly quick way to sink a relationship to the bottom of the ocean. No, seriously, the Titanic would be considered a a slow leak in comparison. The moment you push someone to do something that screws with their sense of self, their identity like that, you are going to inspire tons of resentment, anger and probably outright hatred. Good luck with that. True enough and you get to sleep with one eye open, as the sub begins having HER "lorenna bobbit" fantasies. Never sleep.

DesFIP -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 8:43:32 AM)
Stupid git! You know, The Man could order me to engage in sex with some female. He couldn't order me to enjoy it or have her enjoy me sobbing the entire time I was touching her. And of course he could only order this once, assuming I did go through with it rather than throwing his stuff out the window. Besides, does that mean that gay male subs are automatically bi also? Because if so, there are a lot of girls here ready to paly with beargonewild, [:D].

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive (4/6/2008 8:58:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hydranmenace I totally respect hard limits, but I have to admit the thought of making two completely straight women go at it no matter how much they hated it, is really really hot. of course it is...your a man....thats man's #1 fantasy..to watch two women...or to be involved with two women. ask 100 men and 99 would say... HELL YA.

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