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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/13/2008 8:46:38 AM   
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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/13/2008 9:06:19 AM   
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Has anyone ever told you you're a smart ass?????
Me too!!!!!  It's kismet{{{{walks off with blushes like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vY-4zWKsJM&feature=related }}}

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/13/2008 9:26:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp
Maybe he wants you to become more introspective...

I love that song!

Yup, this was part of it. Some things i do need to figure out better on my own before asking him... cause you understand the answer better whenyou work it through yourself... the bulk of it was that there was a lot more going on than I knew about.

Thanks RavenMuse... :) It the continuing of those steps that will count for more than anything else.

I am really glad that there is someplace for me to talk about things a little bit... my real life friends would have just said "Well, we told you to dump him when he wanted you to call him Sir..." I hope I didn't abuse the privilege here...

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/13/2008 9:40:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: awakenednj

Still problems... still shaky... but maybe not over? I'll just have to see what the follow-through looks like. He knows he has to build the trust, more so since he shook it like this. We shall see....

(PS- i suppose half of you are rolling your eyes at 'another girl falling for it'... but I guess that can't be helped.)



I'm hardly thinking 'another girl falling for it.'  I'm thinking - hey, maybe they can talk more and figure this out and go on to have a wonderful, fulfilling relationship.  People make mistakes, and I think it's important to give them a chance to remedy them before giving up on that person.

Good luck!

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/13/2008 11:02:24 AM   
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*giggle* I agree! (with the video, not necessarilly the smartass part...) *lol*

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/13/2008 1:55:45 PM   
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silence doesn't say a thing..hence the name...but it can mean something :P

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/20/2008 6:29:28 AM   
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I'm glad I stumbled across this forum........I've also been dealing with this off and on for months.  After letting him know several times, that I can't handle the silent treatment, being punished for contacting him about the same subjects several times (with no response), I've decided to cut my losses and start looking elsewhere.  How can one be a good sub when they have no idea what is going on with their dom?  I have enough problems with communication.  No communication is a major issue and this thread has helped me make the right decision.        
     

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/20/2008 8:46:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: awakenednj

So if a Dom-type is silent or changes the subject anytime the sub-type tries to bring up what she finds to be a serious point (I mean trying to tell him that something he is doing may be affecting her a lot more than he realizes in a very negative way) what can that silence possibly mean? Posing this exact question gets... you guessed it... more silence. He does not show himself to be the kind that breaks his toys, if you'll pardon the expression. But I am baffled. In my mind I am thinking how can I trust him completely if he won't talk to me'.

If there are any Masters who have used this tactic what were you trying to communicate? (and I would dearly love to continue thinking it's done purposefully.. cause the other options- cant handle the questions or just not paying attention- would bring me to leave him)

So before I completely jump to my less happy conclusions... I thought I'd ask... have gotten some very useful answers to my other questions... Heres hoping I will again.


I have some questions for you.

1) Does he then bring the topic up at a later date?
2) Does he shut you out or is he listening to what you say without making comments?
3) When he changes subjects, is this at a time when voices begin to be raised or the energy in the room begins to feel negative?

Cause if it's any of these three things, it might not be that he's unwilling to hear/discuss things you have to say.

What you're describing is pretty close to how we deal with things. It doesn't mean he's not listening. It doesn't mean he doesn't care. It means (in our situation) that a) he's heard me and is thinking about what I've said. b) It can mean that he's heard me and it's angered him and he's trying to both figure out why AND determine if what I've said is how he's perceived things. c) It can mean that he's heard me and we'll talk about it later when things aren't so stressed.

In our case, nothing is EVER shoved under the carpet. However, that doesn't mean they're discussed when emotions are high, or one of us is in defensive mode or anything like that.

Our "arguments" such as they are, take place over a period of days, weeks, and sometimes, even months. We get it all discussed, but not necessarily when I want it to be discussed.  We talk till one of us gets upset and then we stop. There is no silence, but a definite change of subject. Later on, when both of us are able, the discussion of the difficult subject continues until one of us gets upset and then, again, we stop. And so it goes. Eventually, we reach a point where we're in agreement with each other, but outsiders looking in would probably say we're engaging in silence and topic avoidance. Fortunately for the both of us, we can do things this way.

I don't know your situation, but might things be happening something like this? That's something you'll have to answer for yourselves. It might help to discuss discussions instead of difficult issues amongst yourselves just so you understand what's happening. Don't accuse.. just inquire in passing how he sees difficult subjects being dealt with, and go from there.

But above all, in my opinion, before you know, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If the discussions are difficult, before you discuss difficult topics, you're going to have to reach an understanding of how discussions themselves are carried out. It might save your relationship.

Of course, what do I know? I'm one of those people who, when we first met, paid more attention to the silence and how that felt with him than I did to our conversation. If silence is uncomfortable and one of us feels the need to fill every moment with conversation, then I'm put off. I loved that we ate most of our dinner in silence and that the silence felt like a friend, and not uncomfortable at all. Throughout the years, silence has become something we treasure - it's full of the sound of our affection for each other and that works for me.

Good luck.

juliet

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/21/2008 7:02:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra

I have some questions for you.

1) Does he then bring the topic up at a later date?
2) Does he shut you out or is he listening to what you say without making comments?
3) When he changes subjects, is this at a time when voices begin to be raised or the energy in the room begins to feel negative?

Cause if it's any of these three things, it might not be that he's unwilling to hear/discuss things you have to say.

What you're describing is pretty close to how we deal with things. It doesn't mean he's not listening. It doesn't mean he doesn't care. It means (in our situation) that a) he's heard me and is thinking about what I've said. b) It can mean that he's heard me and it's angered him and he's trying to both figure out why AND determine if what I've said is how he's perceived things. c) It can mean that he's heard me and we'll talk about it later when things aren't so stressed.

In our case, nothing is EVER shoved under the carpet. However, that doesn't mean they're discussed when emotions are high, or one of us is in defensive mode or anything like that.

Our "arguments" such as they are, take place over a period of days, weeks, and sometimes, even months. We get it all discussed, but not necessarily when I want it to be discussed.  We talk till one of us gets upset and then we stop. There is no silence, but a definite change of subject. Later on, when both of us are able, the discussion of the difficult subject continues until one of us gets upset and then, again, we stop. And so it goes. Eventually, we reach a point where we're in agreement with each other, but outsiders looking in would probably say we're engaging in silence and topic avoidance. Fortunately for the both of us, we can do things this way.

I don't know your situation, but might things be happening something like this? That's something you'll have to answer for yourselves. It might help to discuss discussions instead of difficult issues amongst yourselves just so you understand what's happening. Don't accuse.. just inquire in passing how he sees difficult subjects being dealt with, and go from there.

But above all, in my opinion, before you know, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If the discussions are difficult, before you discuss difficult topics, you're going to have to reach an understanding of how discussions themselves are carried out. It might save your relationship.

Of course, what do I know? I'm one of those people who, when we first met, paid more attention to the silence and how that felt with him than I did to our conversation. If silence is uncomfortable and one of us feels the need to fill every moment with conversation, then I'm put off. I loved that we ate most of our dinner in silence and that the silence felt like a friend, and not uncomfortable at all. Throughout the years, silence has become something we treasure - it's full of the sound of our affection for each other and that works for me.

Good luck.

juliet


As it turns out (and what i didnt realize the weekend i was completely panicing and writing this post) part of the problem was a good bit how you describe. He was overwhelmed with things that had nothing to do with me that i was unaware of, and also had an issue with me that he was deciding how to handle. ::laughs that i can talk about this so calmly now::

We have a better understanding of each other now. Its a little crazy to me that I trust him more becuase of the way he handles his own errors... because he's not afraid that they happen... There has been no silence since that weekend. (Thank God!) And now that i know my own error bothered him so much, I wont be repeating that either...

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RE: What does silence really say? - 4/21/2008 8:33:21 PM   
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Communication is the life blood of relationships.  In my experience this becomes MORE important in D/s, not less.  It's one thing to hear a sub out, to acknowledge their issues, and then to tell them without explaining yourself that your instructions stand.  It's another thing entirely to just ignore them.

Ask him directly if he cares about what you are saying and feeling.  If he remains silient, check his hearing aid battery, and ask again.  If he's still silent, leave him and find someone that thinks you have value as a person.


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