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I guess maybe I thought someone might have some idea of other options.

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Canine influenza virus is a highly contagious type A influenza virus that causes respiratory disease in dogs. The virus was first identified in racing greyhounds and appears to have been the cause of significant respiratory disease on canine tracks throughout the US for the last 2-3 years. The most recent cases have occurred in dog breeds other than greyhounds in shelters, boarding facilities and veterinary clinics in Florida. All dogs are susceptible to infection and do not have naturally acquired immunity to the virus.

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Giardia can be very hard to diagnose. Lack of energy, weight loss in spite of a healthy appetite, occasional to sever vomiting, and/or recurring diarrhea may be symptoms of the disease

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Charley and Pepper are going to be parents! They are my two toy poodles, Charley is black and Pepper is gray. Pepper is due right around Halloween. Very exciting times.

Charley on the other hand has taken ill since having the sex with Pepper. I wasn't planning on them mating just yet, as they are both just a year old, but they snuck one in there while my back was turned.

When Pepper began screaming (like someone was killing her), I called her and she came running to me with Charley stumbling backwards behind her. They had locked and he had already flipped around.

As this was my first experience with doggie mating, I wasn't sure what to do. I knew that you weren't supposed to pull them apart, but my poor Pepper kept screaming everytime one of them moved. I gently tapped Charley on the butt (I have NO idea why I thought a little spanking would diminish his excitement!) and gently tried to pull them apart.

When I finally got them apart, "little" Charley went right into hiding, not to be seen again, literaly. Charley was always a very happy dog. New people came in, his little red penis came out. Rub his belly, there it is again. Offer him a treat....I think y'all get the picture. After the separation, Charley wasn't so happy anymore. In fact, he kind of moped around the house for a bit. Considering the thing had been dragging on the ground before, and now wasn't working at all, I really didn't blame him.

Since then, his being "mopey" has turned to being lethargic. A few times, he would get the runs or vomit, and recently he began losing weight. They were both skinny dogs to begin with, and with Pepper gaining weight, we didn't immediately notice Charley's weight loss. Not until I started being able to count the discs in his spine and feel the points of his hips sticking out. I weighed him earlier this week and he weighed 6.5 pounds. Today he only weighed 5.5, and it hasn't even been a week!

He eats, drinks without problem. It seems as though something is just eating away at his body like the book "Thinner". I took him to the Doggie ER tonight, but couldn't afford the cost of the blood work. I found a couple of places that work with the AAHA for helping those without the finances to get their dogs medical care, so I will take him there next week (Monday, Tuesday).

I don't really know why I am writing this post. I guess maybe I thought someone might have some idea of other options.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Well, Charley died around 12:45 this afternoon in my arms.

Mercnbeth,

Charley was up to date on his shots, which made us able to rule out a good number of things like Parvovirus and such. When I took him to the ER vet last night, the plan was to take him to a regular vet on Monday after the ER vet stated that Charley would be able to hold on until then. Giardia was never even discussed, and from the site that you sent me, the blood work wouldn't have found it anyway. The site also didn't indicate it as a terminal disease either. I honestly believe it was something else. The symptoms were also very much like Hemacratic Anemia, one of which is treatable, one of which is not.

Quivver & perfection20005,

His symptoms actually didn't match those of the canine flu, that is one of the first things we checked on. He also didn't seem to be in any pain until just last night, but the pain seemed more related to his weight loss than an injury.

AAkasha,

If you read all of my post and absorbed it instead of just picking on the things you felt like commenting about, you would have noted that they were not supposed to have mated at that time. They had been being very closely monitored, but it is not possible to monitor non-stop, things like going to the bathroom kind of interfere with that.

In any case, my financial issues are recent and temporary. I am well aware of the bills that will be associated with the puppies and they are a concern, however, they don't do "doggie abortions" without spaying your dog, which was not something we wanted done, and the time frame for the birth of the puppies gave some time to allow us to financially improve the situation.

The ignorance in your post would be laughable if I had not spent the morning holding my dog as he died. Apparently, you must be one of those lucky people who never suffers any hardships that you didn't plan for well in advance. Good for you.

As for my son and I, at least with the puppies, we will have Charley's offspring to remind us of his short time with us.

I wouldn't suggest you respond with any more ignorant or other comments lacking in compassion. My devastation at the loss of my dog has gotten you the only break you will likely get from me. Any more ignorant comments will be met with something you are most likely not capable of handling, as most ignorant people can't.

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As this was my first experience with doggie mating, I wasn't sure what to do. I knew that you weren't supposed to pull them apart, but my poor Pepper kept screaming everytime one of them moved. I gently tapped Charley on the butt (I have NO idea why I thought a little spanking would diminish his excitement!) and gently tried to pull them apart.

When I finally got them apart, "little" Charley went right into hiding, not to be seen again, literaly. Charley was always a very happy dog. New people came in, his little red penis came out. Rub his belly, there it is again. Offer him a treat....I think y'all get the picture. After the separation, Charley wasn't so happy anymore. In fact, he kind of moped around the house for a bit. Considering the thing had been dragging on the ground before, and now wasn't working at all, I really didn't blame him.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

If you'll go back to my questions, you'll note that I didn't give a lecture, I was legitimately curious and shocked.

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I am very sorry that your pup died. Unbelievably so.

I do, however, think that it wasn't the wisest idea to breed animals when you don't have the money to treat one in a sudden emergency. Pregant bitches can go through so many complications, I worry that there will be another emergency and more tragedy.

I'm -am- glad you'll have pups to remind you of your baby. Do you plan on keeping all of them?

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ORIGINAL: HentaiGamerKitty

I totally agree with Aakasha. I'm sorry for you loss, but why in the world were these dogs not kept seperated properly? If you did not want them to breed, they should have been kept separate at all times.

Furthermore, what led you to believe your pets were breeding quality? Had they been tested for genetic disorders? Did they have show, obedience, or agility titles to their name? Were they outstanding examples of the breed with a show record to back it up? If the answer is no, then I chastise you for breeding them. There are way too many unwanted puppies in the world as it is.

Breeding is a huge responsiblity. I use to own an american eskimo stud out of one of the most prestigious kennels in the country. Nothing but champions in his pedigree. I showed him to an akc championship an ukc grandchampionship (he finished the year as one of the top 10 eskies in the country.). Even with these honors under his belt, I did not feel I was ready for the responsiblities of dog breeding. I sold him to his grandsire's owners because I knew they were better equipped to handle such.

I hope in the future, you'll be a bit more responsible with your pets.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
I wasn't breeding them at this time, Charley was just a "happy" dog and slipped one in there while my back was turned. The whole financial issue should be temporary, and resolved very soon.

Keeping all of them? Oh good God, NO! Although I am sure that is my son's plan!

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
I wasn't breeding them at this time, Charley was just a "happy" dog and slipped one in there while my back was turned. The whole financial issue should be temporary, and resolved very soon.

Keeping all of them? Oh good God, NO! Although I am sure that is my son's plan!

Perhaps not intentional breeding, but having 2 intact dogs that have even the slightest chance of contact with each other has a -huge- risk of accidental breeding. Regardless, it's a good idea to have a critter emergency fund. Just in case. I try to keep at least $200 in at all times, though I know that's not enough were there something serious to go wrong.

And I have to ask...what's going to happen to the pups you aren't keeping?

I guess it's just hard for me to understand home breeding. There are SO many dogs in shelters, even purebred ones from good lines. I can pretty much understand breeding dogs that you plan on keeping, but it's hard for me to undersatnd breeding, even unintentionally, if the stud or bitches owner aren't planning on keeping all the pups.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Actually the puppies will be sold. It turns out that my neighbor is a third generation poodle breeder, and I have already spoken to her about helping me. I live in an area where toy poodles are a very sought after breed and there shouldn't be any problem in finding buyers for puppies that come from a long line of champions.

Of course, if Pepper only has one pup, then it is a non issue.