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FLButtSlut -> My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/8/2005 11:53:17 PM)
Charley and Pepper are going to be parents! They are my two toy poodles, Charley is black and Pepper is gray. Pepper is due right around Halloween. Very exciting times. Charley on the other hand has taken ill since having the sex with Pepper. I wasn't planning on them mating just yet, as they are both just a year old, but they snuck one in there while my back was turned. When Pepper began screaming (like someone was killing her), I called her and she came running to me with Charley stumbling backwards behind her. They had locked and he had already flipped around. As this was my first experience with doggie mating, I wasn't sure what to do. I knew that you weren't supposed to pull them apart, but my poor Pepper kept screaming everytime one of them moved. I gently tapped Charley on the butt (I have NO idea why I thought a little spanking would diminish his excitement!) and gently tried to pull them apart. When I finally got them apart, "little" Charley went right into hiding, not to be seen again, literaly. Charley was always a very happy dog. New people came in, his little red penis came out. Rub his belly, there it is again. Offer him a treat....I think y'all get the picture. After the separation, Charley wasn't so happy anymore. In fact, he kind of moped around the house for a bit. Considering the thing had been dragging on the ground before, and now wasn't working at all, I really didn't blame him. Since then, his being "mopey" has turned to being lethargic. A few times, he would get the runs or vomit, and recently he began losing weight. They were both skinny dogs to begin with, and with Pepper gaining weight, we didn't immediately notice Charley's weight loss. Not until I started being able to count the discs in his spine and feel the points of his hips sticking out. I weighed him earlier this week and he weighed 6.5 pounds. Today he only weighed 5.5, and it hasn't even been a week! He eats, drinks without problem. It seems as though something is just eating away at his body like the book "Thinner". I took him to the Doggie ER tonight, but couldn't afford the cost of the blood work. I found a couple of places that work with the AAHA for helping those without the finances to get their dogs medical care, so I will take him there next week (Monday, Tuesday). I don't really know why I am writing this post. I guess maybe I thought someone might have some idea of other options.

Quivver -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 6:18:34 AM)
Its possible that in Charlies excitement he may have hurt himself. How badly is the question. He might be off his feed over the pain. BUT........ he cant afford to loose too much more weight! Possibly there is an ask the Dog Vet somewhere on the net like their is for larger animals. I'd suggest getting friendly with Google. good luck ........ Q

Mercnbeth -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 7:31:51 AM)
quote: I guess maybe I thought someone might have some idea of other options. did you ever take your dogs to a vet or clinic for vaccinations? it is a good idea when you have animals to have a decent relationship with a local vet so when problems occur you have a knowledgable resource. there are many viruses, diseases, parasites and infections that affect dogs and your interruption of the mating ritual would seem to this slave to have little to do with your dog's illness. analyzing your dogs stool would be a good first step and it might cost 30$ or so. quote: Canine influenza virus is a highly contagious type A influenza virus that causes respiratory disease in dogs. The virus was first identified in racing greyhounds and appears to have been the cause of significant respiratory disease on canine tracks throughout the US for the last 2-3 years. The most recent cases have occurred in dog breeds other than greyhounds in shelters, boarding facilities and veterinary clinics in Florida. All dogs are susceptible to infection and do not have naturally acquired immunity to the virus. http://www.state.nj.us/agriculture/canineflu.htm quote: Giardia can be very hard to diagnose. Lack of energy, weight loss in spite of a healthy appetite, occasional to sever vomiting, and/or recurring diarrhea may be symptoms of the disease http://vetmedicine.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=vetmedicine&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flatcoat.com%2Fgiardia.htm this slave recently rescued a poodle from a local pet store. He had ticks, fleas, worms and diarrhea and weighed in at 2.5 pounds. After a trip to the vet, two wormers, flea and tick medication and a change to Science Diet, three weeks later he weighs 5 pounds, has no more diarrhea or parasites and is up to date on all his vaccines, he has a lot more energy and no longer cries when he defacates. [image]local://upfiles/33972/B4E14FC1D9434BECBE7B2C4C53506549.jpg[/image]

AAkasha -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 9:43:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut Charley and Pepper are going to be parents! They are my two toy poodles, Charley is black and Pepper is gray. Pepper is due right around Halloween. Very exciting times. Charley on the other hand has taken ill since having the sex with Pepper. I wasn't planning on them mating just yet, as they are both just a year old, but they snuck one in there while my back was turned. When Pepper began screaming (like someone was killing her), I called her and she came running to me with Charley stumbling backwards behind her. They had locked and he had already flipped around. As this was my first experience with doggie mating, I wasn't sure what to do. I knew that you weren't supposed to pull them apart, but my poor Pepper kept screaming everytime one of them moved. I gently tapped Charley on the butt (I have NO idea why I thought a little spanking would diminish his excitement!) and gently tried to pull them apart. When I finally got them apart, "little" Charley went right into hiding, not to be seen again, literaly. Charley was always a very happy dog. New people came in, his little red penis came out. Rub his belly, there it is again. Offer him a treat....I think y'all get the picture. After the separation, Charley wasn't so happy anymore. In fact, he kind of moped around the house for a bit. Considering the thing had been dragging on the ground before, and now wasn't working at all, I really didn't blame him. Since then, his being "mopey" has turned to being lethargic. A few times, he would get the runs or vomit, and recently he began losing weight. They were both skinny dogs to begin with, and with Pepper gaining weight, we didn't immediately notice Charley's weight loss. Not until I started being able to count the discs in his spine and feel the points of his hips sticking out. I weighed him earlier this week and he weighed 6.5 pounds. Today he only weighed 5.5, and it hasn't even been a week! He eats, drinks without problem. It seems as though something is just eating away at his body like the book "Thinner". I took him to the Doggie ER tonight, but couldn't afford the cost of the blood work. I found a couple of places that work with the AAHA for helping those without the finances to get their dogs medical care, so I will take him there next week (Monday, Tuesday). I don't really know why I am writing this post. I guess maybe I thought someone might have some idea of other options. How are you going to afford the vet bills associated with the birth of puppies (and possible complications) if you can't afford the bloodwork for one dog? Why would you have puppies in the first place? Akasha

perfection20005 -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 9:48:30 AM)
I belong to a Yahoo group that is for dog owners and someone there might know what is causing it. I do know that there is a new canine flu that is going around. Here is a link to the group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Everything-Dogs Here is a link about the new canine flu: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/241734_dogflu22.html Hope this can help you. I own two Boston Terriers and I wouldn't know what to do it something happened to them. Good luck and congratulations on the puppies.

FLButtSlut -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 2:15:03 PM)
Well, Charley died around 12:45 this afternoon in my arms. Mercnbeth, Charley was up to date on his shots, which made us able to rule out a good number of things like Parvovirus and such. When I took him to the ER vet last night, the plan was to take him to a regular vet on Monday after the ER vet stated that Charley would be able to hold on until then. Giardia was never even discussed, and from the site that you sent me, the blood work wouldn't have found it anyway. The site also didn't indicate it as a terminal disease either. I honestly believe it was something else. The symptoms were also very much like Hemacratic Anemia, one of which is treatable, one of which is not. Quivver & perfection20005, His symptoms actually didn't match those of the canine flu, that is one of the first things we checked on. He also didn't seem to be in any pain until just last night, but the pain seemed more related to his weight loss than an injury. AAkasha, If you read all of my post and absorbed it instead of just picking on the things you felt like commenting about, you would have noted that they were not supposed to have mated at that time. They had been being very closely monitored, but it is not possible to monitor non-stop, things like going to the bathroom kind of interfere with that. In any case, my financial issues are recent and temporary. I am well aware of the bills that will be associated with the puppies and they are a concern, however, they don't do "doggie abortions" without spaying your dog, which was not something we wanted done, and the time frame for the birth of the puppies gave some time to allow us to financially improve the situation. The ignorance in your post would be laughable if I had not spent the morning holding my dog as he died. Apparently, you must be one of those lucky people who never suffers any hardships that you didn't plan for well in advance. Good for you. As for my son and I, at least with the puppies, we will have Charley's offspring to remind us of his short time with us. I wouldn't suggest you respond with any more ignorant or other comments lacking in compassion. My devastation at the loss of my dog has gotten you the only break you will likely get from me. Any more ignorant comments will be met with something you are most likely not capable of handling, as most ignorant people can't.

AAkasha -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 3:20:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut Well, Charley died around 12:45 this afternoon in my arms. Mercnbeth, Charley was up to date on his shots, which made us able to rule out a good number of things like Parvovirus and such. When I took him to the ER vet last night, the plan was to take him to a regular vet on Monday after the ER vet stated that Charley would be able to hold on until then. Giardia was never even discussed, and from the site that you sent me, the blood work wouldn't have found it anyway. The site also didn't indicate it as a terminal disease either. I honestly believe it was something else. The symptoms were also very much like Hemacratic Anemia, one of which is treatable, one of which is not. Quivver & perfection20005, His symptoms actually didn't match those of the canine flu, that is one of the first things we checked on. He also didn't seem to be in any pain until just last night, but the pain seemed more related to his weight loss than an injury. AAkasha, If you read all of my post and absorbed it instead of just picking on the things you felt like commenting about, you would have noted that they were not supposed to have mated at that time. They had been being very closely monitored, but it is not possible to monitor non-stop, things like going to the bathroom kind of interfere with that. In any case, my financial issues are recent and temporary. I am well aware of the bills that will be associated with the puppies and they are a concern, however, they don't do "doggie abortions" without spaying your dog, which was not something we wanted done, and the time frame for the birth of the puppies gave some time to allow us to financially improve the situation. The ignorance in your post would be laughable if I had not spent the morning holding my dog as he died. Apparently, you must be one of those lucky people who never suffers any hardships that you didn't plan for well in advance. Good for you. As for my son and I, at least with the puppies, we will have Charley's offspring to remind us of his short time with us. I wouldn't suggest you respond with any more ignorant or other comments lacking in compassion. My devastation at the loss of my dog has gotten you the only break you will likely get from me. Any more ignorant comments will be met with something you are most likely not capable of handling, as most ignorant people can't. I'm sorry for your loss, but it was a perfectly legitimate question. If someone had asked me, because I do know of the financial responsibilities associated with owning a pet, I'd be happy to clarify so that I would know that less informed readers would not make the same mistakes. You probably are not aware of how many people have no idea how much financial responsibility comes with having an animal and being able to properly care for it. The number of people that breed dogs who should not be is extremely high. If just one person read my post and your (albeit harsh) response, and lives of puppies would be saved, it would be well worth it. If you'll go back to my questions, you'll note that I didn't give a lecture, I was legitimately curious and shocked. As for my relationship with animals and what sacrifices I've made personally to reduce their pain and suffering, you really haeve no idea, do you? Not sure what to say about the threats you made by my simple questions, but I'll choc it up to you being in a bad place right now, which is understandable. Akasha

perverseangelic -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 4:09:54 PM)
I am very sorry that your pup died. Unbelievably so. I do, however, think that it wasn't the wisest idea to breed animals when you don't have the money to treat one in a sudden emergency. Pregant bitches can go through so many complications, I worry that there will be another emergency and more tragedy. Maybe an emergency pet savings account would be a good idea? I have one for my kitties--saved my life with my Nimue broke her leg (stupid f-ing apartment complex faulty locking mechanism on windows. Came close to breaking her neck). Too, talk to your vet about payment plans. Most are very good about taking instalment payments for treatment provided, in case of such emergencies. I'm -am- glad you'll have pups to remind you of your baby. Do you plan on keeping all of them?

HentaiGamerKitty -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 4:35:24 PM)
I totally agree with Aakasha. I'm sorry for you loss, but why in the world were these dogs not kept seperated properly? If you did not want them to breed, they should have been kept separate at all times. Furthermore, what led you to believe your pets were breeding quality? Had they been tested for genetic disorders? Did they have show, obedience, or agility titles to their name? Were they outstanding examples of the breed with a show record to back it up? If the answer is no, then I chastise you for breeding them. There are way too many unwanted puppies in the world as it is. Breeding is a huge responsiblity. I use to own an american eskimo stud out of one of the most prestigious kennels in the country. Nothing but champions in his pedigree. I showed him to an akc championship an ukc grandchampionship (he finished the year as one of the top 10 eskies in the country.). Even with these honors under his belt, I did not feel I was ready for the responsiblities of dog breeding. I sold him to his grandsire's owners because I knew they were better equipped to handle such. I hope in the future, you'll be a bit more responsible with your pets.

perfection20005 -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 6:06:15 PM)
I am so sorry for your lose. If you would like, that Yahoo group I put in my other response, has some good sites on who to deal with the lose of a pet. I know it can feel like you lost a family member, and in some cases, they are family. At least he was with someone who loved him when he took his final breathe. Good luck with the puppies.

brightspot -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 7:39:59 PM)
quote: As this was my first experience with doggie mating, I wasn't sure what to do. I knew that you weren't supposed to pull them apart, but my poor Pepper kept screaming everytime one of them moved. I gently tapped Charley on the butt (I have NO idea why I thought a little spanking would diminish his excitement!) and gently tried to pull them apart. When I finally got them apart, "little" Charley went right into hiding, not to be seen again, literaly. Charley was always a very happy dog. New people came in, his little red penis came out. Rub his belly, there it is again. Offer him a treat....I think y'all get the picture. After the separation, Charley wasn't so happy anymore. In fact, he kind of moped around the house for a bit. Considering the thing had been dragging on the ground before, and now wasn't working at all, I really didn't blame him. I am an animal lover, and I am making a conscious choice to Bite my Tongue!!! *Brightspot

FLButtSlut -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 7:40:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha If you'll go back to my questions, you'll note that I didn't give a lecture, I was legitimately curious and shocked. Which were stated in a very arrogant and rude manner. I am not surprised by the people who don't know what goes into owning a pet, since I have been raising dogs (mostly poodles) since childhood. Your implication that the puppies are in danger is baseless. I did take my dog to the vet, the expense of which was a major sacrifice at the moment, and the vet assured me that the blood work could wait until a weekday when it could be done at a regular animal hospital as opposed to the ER, which is extremely expensive. In all honesty, I don't think that any tests would have helped him, but rather he was already too sick to withstand the stress of it.

FLButtSlut -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 7:44:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: perverseangelic I am very sorry that your pup died. Unbelievably so. I do, however, think that it wasn't the wisest idea to breed animals when you don't have the money to treat one in a sudden emergency. Pregant bitches can go through so many complications, I worry that there will be another emergency and more tragedy. I'm -am- glad you'll have pups to remind you of your baby. Do you plan on keeping all of them? I wasn't breeding them at this time, Charley was just a "happy" dog and slipped one in there while my back was turned. The whole financial issue should be temporary, and resolved very soon. Keeping all of them? Oh good God, NO! Although I am sure that is my son's plan!

FLButtSlut -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 7:50:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HentaiGamerKitty I totally agree with Aakasha. I'm sorry for you loss, but why in the world were these dogs not kept seperated properly? If you did not want them to breed, they should have been kept separate at all times. Furthermore, what led you to believe your pets were breeding quality? Had they been tested for genetic disorders? Did they have show, obedience, or agility titles to their name? Were they outstanding examples of the breed with a show record to back it up? If the answer is no, then I chastise you for breeding them. There are way too many unwanted puppies in the world as it is. Breeding is a huge responsiblity. I use to own an american eskimo stud out of one of the most prestigious kennels in the country. Nothing but champions in his pedigree. I showed him to an akc championship an ukc grandchampionship (he finished the year as one of the top 10 eskies in the country.). Even with these honors under his belt, I did not feel I was ready for the responsiblities of dog breeding. I sold him to his grandsire's owners because I knew they were better equipped to handle such. I hope in the future, you'll be a bit more responsible with your pets. The responsibilities of having a stud dog are minimal because you aren't dealing with puppies at all if you don't own the bitch. Amazing that you couldn't even handle the responsibility of knowing what bitches were a good quality for you to stud your dog to. Given that amount of absolute ignorance, your elitest attitude about dog breeding is irrelevant. I would hope in the future, that you are more responsible in your posts.

perverseangelic -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 8:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut I wasn't breeding them at this time, Charley was just a "happy" dog and slipped one in there while my back was turned. The whole financial issue should be temporary, and resolved very soon. Keeping all of them? Oh good God, NO! Although I am sure that is my son's plan! Perhaps not intentional breeding, but having 2 intact dogs that have even the slightest chance of contact with each other has a -huge- risk of accidental breeding. Regardless, it's a good idea to have a critter emergency fund. Just in case. I try to keep at least $200 in at all times, though I know that's not enough were there something serious to go wrong. And I have to ask...what's going to happen to the pups you aren't keeping? I guess it's just hard for me to understand home breeding. There are SO many dogs in shelters, even purebred ones from good lines. I can pretty much understand breeding dogs that you plan on keeping, but it's hard for me to undersatnd breeding, even unintentionally, if the stud or bitches owner aren't planning on keeping all the pups.

FLButtSlut -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 8:05:12 PM)
Actually the puppies will be sold. It turns out that my neighbor is a third generation poodle breeder, and I have already spoken to her about helping me. I live in an area where toy poodles are a very sought after breed and there shouldn't be any problem in finding buyers for puppies that come from a long line of champions. Of course, if Pepper only has one pup, then it is a non issue.

AAkasha -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 8:06:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: perverseangelic quote: ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut I wasn't breeding them at this time, Charley was just a "happy" dog and slipped one in there while my back was turned. The whole financial issue should be temporary, and resolved very soon. Keeping all of them? Oh good God, NO! Although I am sure that is my son's plan! Perhaps not intentional breeding, but having 2 intact dogs that have even the slightest chance of contact with each other has a -huge- risk of accidental breeding. Regardless, it's a good idea to have a critter emergency fund. Just in case. I try to keep at least $200 in at all times, though I know that's not enough were there something serious to go wrong. And I have to ask...what's going to happen to the pups you aren't keeping? I guess it's just hard for me to understand home breeding. There are SO many dogs in shelters, even purebred ones from good lines. I can pretty much understand breeding dogs that you plan on keeping, but it's hard for me to undersatnd breeding, even unintentionally, if the stud or bitches owner aren't planning on keeping all the pups. I'm with you on home breeding. I was absolutely sure that I wanted to do this, just once, not for profit but for the experience. After looking into it and realizing how much time I would ethically have to spend working with existing breeders, doing research, and the myriad of other things required I decided to stop being selfish about it. There are way too many dogs that need homes. I scratched the itch through volunteer work and continue to do so. As for cost, I also agree. We have emergency money set aside for all of our pets just in case. Akasha

perverseangelic -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 8:09:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut Actually the puppies will be sold. It turns out that my neighbor is a third generation poodle breeder, and I have already spoken to her about helping me. I live in an area where toy poodles are a very sought after breed and there shouldn't be any problem in finding buyers for puppies that come from a long line of champions. Of course, if Pepper only has one pup, then it is a non issue. Ok....it's just that there are -so- many animals up for adoption. It's makes me sad to see more getting thrown into the pool. Even pure ones. I gaurentee that Petfinder will have scads of 100% pure toy poodles that are desperate to get homes. I KNOW this isn't your situation, but I'm invovled in animal rescue, and I see so many peopel start breeding to make a quick buck, and then dumping pups when they need vaccinations, and worming, and spaying. I see breeders selling their puppies without a no-breed contract, and then it happens all over again. I -know- this isn't you, I just am jaded, our local shelter isn't no-kill, and it's incredibly depressing.

maybemaybenot -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/9/2005 8:15:06 PM)
I am amazed and shocked at the lack of empathy from most of the posters on this thread. I, too, have done alot of work with animal rights groups on nuetering and spaying, and educational lectures. This is not the time or place for that lecture. . That doesn't mean shit doesn't happen. The best informed children get pregnant everyday, we don't toss out the " you should have been more responsible" when one of these premmie newborns dies. The OP is grieving, and all you " animal lovers" have gone thru the death of a loved pet. Perhaps a simple condolences would be in order, and if you feel you have to get on a soap box, send her a POLITE e mail. And by her OP I think she knows about nuetering and responsible pet ownership. The ER vet assured her the dog would be fine until Monday. Her animals are up to date and vetted out appropriately, per her word. I am fairly new here, but am somewhat amazed and discouraged by the level of arrogance expressed in many threads. There seems to be an " elitist" pecking order". And i don't think it is the moon or the season or the planets being misaligned... I think it is the basic core of the poster. I have made a knee jerk post or two.. onky when provoked.. but some one PLEASE tell me... how comfy will you sleep blaming the OP for the death of her dog, or making her a part of it ? Does it give you some sense of satisfaction to know that some one is hurting and you have piled the coals higher for them? In other words, when some one is down, give em a lil kick.. that's helpful. I think you all should be ashamed of yourselves, for many reason. Makes one wonder what " kind words" you offer to grieving parent when their child has died in an accident. You probably assign blame to Eric Clapton for the death of his son. Maybemaybenot

Thaily -> RE: My Poodle's Performance Anxiety (10/10/2005 12:17:48 AM)
The only rude person I see is the OP. If you keep an unaltered pair of dogs they're going to mate before the owner thinks they're ready. They're dogs, they don't sit down together and go "I want to have your puppies but we're only a year old, there's a high risk of serious complications so let's wait shall we?" It's the owner's responsibility to keep his/her pets safe and healthy and when something does go wrong it's the owner's responsibility to do anything they can to help the animal. If you can't afford the vet, you can't afford the pet. If you can't borrow money or if the vet doesn't do payment plans (which they often do) you need to give the animal to someone who can (if you're lucky enough to find such an angel). If your animal dies due to a lack of proper (vet) care it's the owner's fault. OP is being rude to genuinly concerned people because she's looking for sympathy and she's not getting it. Bed. Made. Lie. I'm glad the OP isn't a top, I wouldn't entrust her with a pet rock.

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