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slavejali -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 11:47:41 AM)
When i joined the internet 3 years ago, the whole Y/you thing seemed to be internet protocal, a language used in the internet world...when in Rome..as they say. i find it about as offensive as people speaking French in France..dunno why little things upset upset people so easily personally.

ToServeIsToLive -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 3:41:10 PM)
Hehe, The first person I talked to online gave me a sufficiently harsh tongue lashing that I assumed it was proper. Glad to see it isn't actually since my typing is reflexive and it's really hard to change.

sweetpettjenny -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 3:48:22 PM)
i/I find that so much less annoying then talking in the third person. To each their own . Hey i am guilty of it at times myself, but i am never irrational enough to talk in the third person at least lol.

candystripper -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 4:28:40 PM)
quote: And this from someone who complains that other people are wasting bandwidth. First you write a long thing about "tolerance" (here), and then you tell people to get a life when you don't like the way they capitalize? Come on, stop insulting other people. It doesn't make you look cool. Lordandmaster i admit it; i use upper case caps on a Dom's nick and lower case on mine; it's a habit i developed in chat here, and i like it. i rarely use the / but i doubt anyone who so eloquently complained about it cannot read what i have written when i do it. Frankly, this is the THIRD time i am just amazed at the ire people show over issues that seem to me to be meaningless little personal quirks. First was "slave v. submission" then came "The Gift of Yourself"....wtf? Are there no topics of substance? Why do people care so much? And BTW, Master Six, if You agree it's silly why do You refer to Your partner as "bella" and not "Bella"? Just curious. If asked, the witch burning will be at 8pm EST Tuesday nite. sigh So much intelligence, so little common sense. (O criminey, i posted twice here; different nicks; o well; same opinion.) candystripper

slavejali -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 4:56:42 PM)
its a basic human trait..put other people down for their actions, thoughts, feelings etc...so ours seem more right, altruistic, fantastic, brilliant. Examples " oo look at that girls nose..." this means "isnt mine beautiful" "ooo look at how they are living..grumble grumble point finger" ..this means "isnt the way i live just so fantastic" This same thing works across the intellectual, philosophical, cultural and any other differences we may have divide. It can be done innocently (unknowingly) or purposefully (usually due to lack of self worth and having to prove oneself continually). i do it myself, sometimes i go to restaurants and eat in the hope of being able to criticize their food or service, so that i can know my food and service is better than anyone elses. (yes i also go to pick up tips and ways to improve) grin.

MastersBabieGirl -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 6:54:55 PM)
i am so relieved im not the only one that thought this W/w stuff was bull i was told once by a domme that it had to be that way however she was not my domme so i didnt worry about it [:D]

Darklotus -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 9:01:10 PM)
just a way to tell whos a dom and whos not

MHOO314 -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/24/2005 9:12:37 PM)
I use it, I like it, it doesn't fill My every email communication though-- and I don't shun someone who doesn't-- but when I am teaching/mentoring a new sub, that's the first lesson as it gets them focused on the dynamic---

ImpGrrl -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/25/2005 9:32:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darklotus just a way to tell whos a dom and whos not Why do we need to know who's what - isn't that what conversation is for?

Sunshine119 -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/25/2005 10:37:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gypsyeyez Yes it seems everyone is right it started as some kind of online protocal.... I really dislike doing it and dislike when Dominants ask that you type this way. When all of us went to school and learned grammar .... this truly defies all gramatic rules. I think it is stupid it looks stupid even though when I first found this lifestyle I did so in online research and was made to form such a bad habit. I think that people can show a great deal of respect and not type gramaticallly stupid. In truth it is not about respect.... it is about someone who started it in a freaking chat room and like that they could alter the entire course of people's grammatic teachings over years in a simple command of oh this is not proper protocal if you speak proper english. I say everyone should grow up....type in such a way to make others aware of their intelligence. And as far as ones who believe this is proper.... If you can't get help at Charter get HELP somewhere. Just my humble opinion, I fully agree with your post. Now, please don't take this to be condescending or picky, but could you please post in a slightly larger font? Those of us who are far older than you may have trouble reading this. Like me.....lol.

LaMalinche -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/25/2005 2:13:46 PM)
Personally, I blame it all on e.e. cumings That rat bastard.

candystripper -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/25/2005 4:51:09 PM)
quote: Personally, I blame it all on e.e. cumings That rat bastard. LaMalince quote: I like my body when it is with your body. It is so quite new a thing. Muscles better and nerves more. e. e. cummings Who doesn't love e. e. cummings? Such a loving, gentle soul. candystripper

redheadedfire4u -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/25/2005 6:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster And this from someone who complains that other people are wasting bandwidth. First you write a long thing about "tolerance" (here), and then you tell people to get a life when you don't like the way they capitalize? Come on, stop insulting other people. It doesn't make you look cool. quote: ORIGINAL: JustaTop Get a life. Ok first I can not help but agree with Lordandmaster, what ever happened to tolerance? To those who posted their opinions in some sort of respectful and tolerant way, please excuse the following rant, it is not aimed at you. To those others who posted otherwise, am I offended ... hell yeah! Do I think it was necessary to flame others for their personal choices ... hell no! ... lets see what was said in these posts about those who decided to use this protocol which really hurts no one, offends no one, and is meant only to show respect and manners (so terrible a goal to reach for I know) writing poorly out of respect. V/very C/confusing it's pathetic and silly. anal retentive protocol. demonstrate how "With it" they are. A person using C/cap S/speak can be pretty safely ignored. ludicrously insecure to me. ass-a-nine ridiculous practice a stupid sub It's ludicrously insecure to be so stuck on roles and "pleasing",that you have to resort to this. Get a life. I/i T/think I/it I/is D/dorky. I think we've already deduced that it's extranneous and hard to read. I think it is stupid it looks stupid ... I say everyone should grow up....type in such a way to make others aware of their intelligence. W/well P/personally, I/i F/fucking H/hate T/that S/shit. (It's just silly theatrics). W/w stuff was bull So these are the comments of those who choose to flame those who use this type of protocol to show respect, I can see the respect and tolerance dripping from every comment! My form of /capitalization is so terrible when compared to this really intelligent commentary. It is so much more offensive to read. I usually enjoy these message boards, but apparently according to this thread ... I need to get a life, I am stupid, lack intelligence, am of no substance but merely theatrical, attention seeking, lack education, have a poor command of English, and my posts are best ignored as they are to difficult to read. Well this is so nice to know, I thank Y/you all who posted them and am extremely glad Y/you all took the trouble to point out my terrible failings. " If asked, the witch burning will be at 8pm EST Tuesday nite. sigh So much intelligence, so little common sense. " I would like an invitation please, perhaps we can have an old fashioned book burning afterwards. warm smiles

slavejali -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/26/2005 3:22:52 AM)
i liked your post redheadedfire4u, it made a good point.

candystripper -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/26/2005 1:30:07 PM)
quote: " If asked, the witch burning will be at 8pm EST Tuesday nite. sigh So much intelligence, so little common sense. " I would like an invitation please, perhaps we can have an old fashioned book burning afterwards. warm smiles redheadedfire4u Tickets are available in advance for $50; at the "door" $75. After we burn everyone who has ever S/spoken L/like T/this, we can burn books. Personally, i'm buying a copy of one of the "Jack and Jill" primers we had to read from as children for the occassion...they say you can get anything on ebay, LOL. candystripper

EvilGeoff -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/27/2005 12:49:40 AM)
I don't normally complain about the practice of (or to the users of) S/style writing on forums such as this. It was in use on line when I started exploring this lifestyle many years ago and I used it as much as anyone else did. However, as I became involved with people face-to-face, as I began to correspond with Leatherfolk who had been around the Scene for a while, as I began to read the books I could find, I noticed something. The people I respected and looked up to, the people I really wanted to learn from, used standard grammar and punctuation. They didn't use the Y/you G/guys form of address for personal or public correpondence. I learned that the use of the S/slash in pronouns was an online phenomenon. So I pondered a while. And decided I would use Caps for names if the person I was addressing Capped their name... and I would use non-caps for people who didn't cap their names. And for the rest, well, y'all will just have to settle for my use of my own idiomatic (mostly) correct style. If it's good enough for the likes of Guy Baldwin, viola Johnson, david stein, John Warren, et al, it's good enough for me! grin Now if I ever get my hands on the person who C/created T/this S/style, we are going to have a little word of prayer.... grins YIK, - Geoff

Driver1961 -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/27/2005 3:57:13 AM)
Since everyone else has had a bitch or five here.......( which defines their lack of acceptance of others with their childish and personal insults to others).. here's my two bobs (that's money) worth: I do not accept abbreviations in text form, eg lmao, Like really..... speak the words that really mean something, that are 'individual' to your character. If I don't like it, well I switch off, which admittedly can be negative to me cause you may be a really nice person! What is so wrong with protocol? A D/s relationship is about 'RESPECT' and I believe principally of 'old values' that the Western World seem to forget about by declaring their 'individual rights'. Well....I HAVE RIGHTS!!! (now for the semantics guys) in fact I HAVE NO RIGHTS! I have a responsibility to treat others as I expect them to treat me. I treat with respect, empathy and hear a person's point of view without disparaging them..... Sure, I argue another's point of view and as long as they can justify the point of view- I respect them for it. I find it difficult to tolerate people who can't justify their point of view. (How many have justified their views here?) That is plain 'ole' manners. When you 'live a lifestyle' of courtesy and responsibility to your neighbour- then,,,, and only then,,, can you stand proud and others will willingly give you respect(rights) I've been told by many a criminal, "I have my rights". Sure they have 'statutory rights' but I live a 'live a lifestyle' of respect to others. I never lie, decieve, cheat another (including them) but, I never say that I HAVE RIGHTS! I simply expect others to treat me, the way I treat them. I understand that many here may (do) disagree with me. Obviously these people take joy in their non-acceptance of others. I pity them for their forthcoming comments on my being a Quaker?! Alot of sad and personal (unjustified) points you make. Yes, I am a stickler for conventions of writing, speech (I have a speech impediment) It provides a framework for clearer understanding by all. Now to the BDSM world........there are lots of us with different expectations of our 'place' in the Lifestyle. Gorean, S/M, D/s, newbies........ 'In the Job' means 'Policing'in Aust and the numerous others expressions that are clique language for different groups of people. Why is it so offensive to some that 'others' may embrace the L/s (Lifestyle-ha) and accept the concept of protocols that appear to reinforce the nature of L/s values? Simply it is each person's 'gig' as to which format of philosophy they desire but to degrade others for their comments only serves to degrade oneself in your attitude towards others! I thank the numerous posters for their input to this topic, you have all taught me something, particularly some history. Too many people seem to think they are inventing 'new' when so often they are neglecting 'values' and past lessons by not looking at history. I consider many of these posts to be symptomatic of today's 'fast food, get it now, I'll rant n' rave if I don't get it or understand it now'! Can anyone tell me why on these boards that we can't write with the 'conventions' of respect in letter writing? Please enlighten me with your ways? I forbid my subs to speak back to disrespectful others with disrespect. T/their disrespect to others is reflective upon themselves and to my association with T/them. It is "T/their "only to clearly denote the plural of my collared 'Preciousnesses', which is indicative to them of their importance and indicates the nature of O/our relationship to others that may wish to correspond. No I don't go overboard with it but nor would I ever go without it. The issue of 'third person' language is well explained and not something I employ but I appreciate it's worthiness in certain 'relationships' and a person using it in their profile is only further defining what their philosophy on Lifestyle is. The issue of Driver or driver further defines BDSM protocol and this site (moderator)requested my approval to alter it to Driver when I was questioned in chat over my submissiveness. Maybe a moderator's view on this terminology might be helpful? Finally, smiles to all and a flogging to you if that enhances your smile!

candystripper -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/27/2005 5:32:00 AM)
Once again, i am confused. Now we have a member who gets annoyed at the "chat" acronyms like LMAO which i think we all use...but goes on to use "D/s" and worse yet "L/s", which i have never seen before. i cannot understand exactly what His position is concerning email; whether His values of politeness and protocol cause Him to respond to all email or if He discards any with the despised acronyms. This member is not known to me but certainly sounds like someone with a great deal to share. i hope i am better able to understand Him in future posts. If this is this member's first post, let me roll out the red capet and hand out the welcome wagon box of goodies. candystripper

Prunesquallor -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/27/2005 5:38:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ImpGrrl Why do we need to know who's what - isn't that what conversation is for? Well, I notice that you have Grrl as part of your nick, which is presumably to let people know your gender. One could apply the same argument and say we could all have genderless nicks, because conversation would soon reveal who was who.

Prunesquallor -> RE: Y/you, A/all, U/us (11/27/2005 5:45:38 AM)
I often use these protocols, partly because that is what I saw when I first entered the lifestyle, and partly because to me it is a way of expressing respect for our various positions, Dom and sub alike. I don't always use it, but will do so if online and addressing my subs or a mixed group. What I do object to though is when it is used wrongly, as in referring to a group of D/doms or S/subs.

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