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wolfinside -> RE: Lost Perfection (10/13/2005 8:58:04 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Faramir
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ORIGINAL: wolfinside
The problem is the conflict between the mind and the soul.
As the photog said about Col. Kurtz, "The thing is man, he's clear in his mind, but his soul is mad!"
It's intellectually clear when you have been screwed over by someone that you should run at the sight of them, but your heart and emotions want something different.
Desires are much more powerful than logic and reason. And dening them is a real bitch sometimes.
People who can't love or don't love strongly, don't understand how hard it can be sometimes.
That's both a false dilemma and a ridiculous bias.
Your presenting a dilemma: One can either be logical and unfeeling, or feel fully and be unreasonable, but not both. You've excluded wisdom and discernemnt - that we might have naunced or conflicting impulses, and yet still in the end choose a wise path (or a virtuous one).
The bias in your comment about loving strongly is ludicrous - do you really imagine people who don't have the same model as you, who don't hold the same position as you are impaired in some way in their ability to love?
I am saying that logic and reason, frequently are very much in conflict with desire and feelings.
My point wasn't to impune anyone's ability to love. ("though I think you dost protest to much")
But the fact is, that some people are incapable of it.
And for those who can love or love strongly, it can be hard to deal with those feelings at times.
My point is, that in my own life, I have loved differently with different women. Some was stronger and some love was plainer.
And that I could not understand what it was like in other people when they had an experience like the poster of this thread has had until I had one myself.
Also, I have a friend who has had feelings for girls, but he has never been in love. (his own admission) He just doesn't get why men would act the way they do about certain women and loves. He just doesn't "get it".
I hope for his sake that he someday has a great love for a woman so he does "get it". (as miserable as it can be, it is truly being alive)
Self control is what makes a man. And that is what it takes to deal with love that strong. Using logic and reason to control desires. I'm not pretending that I have mastered that as yet, but I keep trying. It is a struggle. I am far from perfect.
It's easy to be brave when you are born without fear. But real bravery is being scared as hell and doing your duty anyway.
Likewise it's easy to for others criticize another for mooning over someone, when they have never had those kind of feelings or walked in their shoes.
Actually Faramir, I was understand what you were saying to this thread poster in your first post. He does need to pull himself up by his boot straps and try to get better. And not revel in his misery and encourage it. I think that was your point?
I am amazed when people take comments I make about my life so personally. The comments I made are about me and others I know, not you.
My views are about the world as I see it. Based on my experiences and what I have seen others go through.
It's not a bias, it my opinion.
Your mileage may vary.
Wolf
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