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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 3:33:23 PM   
missfrillypants


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Status: offline 		that's retarded. i don't think it's art at all. a point about art being inside your body and what you can do with it could just as easily be made without such insane health risks that also do huge damage to the pro-choice cause.

i can FEEL all the right wingers chiming in "SEE! this is what those godless heathens do if you give them an inch, they kill so many souls in the name of art that the whole of massachusetts shall be cast into the boiling pits of sewage!" it makes all us prochoicers seem like freaks.

worst of all,  from the article, it didn't sound like she, the "artist" took into mind the idea that this is a women's issue as well as an art issue at all. it sounds like she could have gotten the same result from video taping cutting or something. not that cutting is without risk, but internal injuries from doing something like miscarrying over and over might not show up for years or might have required dangerous surgery to treat and has probably already severely impacted her ability to have children in the future should she want them.

from a womb point of view, she's spitting on hers, probably twisting and deforming it, treating her own ability to create life and the ability of others like garbage, like less than garbage, and making a mockery of people with serious problems who anguish over the idea of having to get an abortion or women who pray and wish and hope every day for a child and shell out huge amounts of money to fertility doctors and still can't have one. i understand that it's her choice and she's free to make it, but even someone like me, who would sell her eggs tomorrow to make some money to spend on frivolous things and desperately does not want to have a child thinks this is reprehensible behavior. this is the kind of woman who children have nightmares about. the idea of her stillbirth blood on display makes me think of silent hill monsters. didn't she ask herself if that was really what she wanted to become? bloody mary standing in the bathroom with the scissors. she may have used a drug but that's the image i get.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 3:39:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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I dont know who is dumber the "artist"  or the rabid pro-lifers who scream life begins at conception.


Given the natural course of things a fetus will never turn into a shoe, or a desk...
Oh, and I'm not screaming; just stating a fact.


But by that logic me having sex with another person while using a condom is just as bad.
Not trying do defend this woman.
Not in this particular case but  I dont see how people can view a clump of cells as a human being.
I can understant when the fetus is in 2nd or 3rd trimester.
But when you say "life begins at conception" it boggles my mind.
But is all "morals" so I guess the only thing we can do is agree to disagree?

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 3:45:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

One day, when this girl decides she wants to have a child... perhaps she has a man in her life and he wants to have a child... she may find that she cannot, and then she may find herself telling the love of her life about her little art project.  Sometimes karma is like that.

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Wouldn't it be something that she marries Mr Wonderful...She becomes an accomplished artist...He, a leader of industry...They have three wonderful children, all of whom receive scholarships to the university of their liking. Their family is a happy one and they are bound together through the trials and tribulations of life.Her children, under her tutelage, find equal success in their personal and spiritual lives...The people they meet feel at ease in their presence.

She lives a healthy, spiritually fulfilled life and passes away in her sleep at the age of ninety three.

Ya just never know what lies ahead.


Wouldn't that be a kick in the shorts.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 3:50:40 PM   
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boo! those are children shes killing, it isnt ok no matter how small.
im not saying it is or isnt ok, but id never do something like that.

"Shvarts is abusing her constitutional right to do what she chooses with her body. ''


Okay, then I'll say it, it isn't okay.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 4:15:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's my usual cut and paste for these kinds of threads:

God loves the poor and homeless - that's why he keeps making so many of them!

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There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because...

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.


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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:12:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I can't bring myself to click the link, but as a woman who has lost a child, I'll come right out and say I'm leaning toward "indignation" and "disgust" right about now.



I've also lost a child, so this thread just... gives me shivers.

I don't know that I'm capable of feeling indignation right now simply because the mere thought of it makes me want to curl up in a ball for a few hours.



one of my dearest friends had her 8th miscarriage over the weekend.  i'm hoping she didnt see this story anywhere, i really am.  i've had 4 miscarriages.  and while i do support a woman's choice to make a difficult decision in terminating a pregnancy, this isnt art in my opinion.

kitten

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:13:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course, it's art. Look at all the strong emotional reactions it provokes.

You silly, silly people...


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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:15:15 PM   
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I dont know who is dumber the "artist"  or the rabid pro-lifers who scream life begins at conception.


i believe in a woman's right to decide on reproductive things.  i also believe that potential life begins at conception, but that that isnt when the soul enters the body.

and as for that, many cultures disagree exactly when the child becomes "real" and a living being, so i'm just gonna let that one lie.

kitten

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:21:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
In my opinion, using miscarriage (and including me in that) as an excuse to be 'disturbed' is just as 'disturbing' as the act we are supposed to be 'disturbed' over.


EDIT: Nevermind, I see what you're saying.  You're right, it is an odd choice of word for what's clearly an abortion.

But speaking for myself, I'd be disturbed by the entire thing even if I had never lost my son.  My feelings of sadness, however, come straight from the use of "miscarriage" rather than abortion.  Even seeing that word still makes me cringe... it hasn't been long enough yet for me to get over it enough to remove that word's power over me.



if we really want to be technical, *every* terminated pregnancy is an abortion, whether from natural causes or artificial intervention.  the word miscarriage was coined to ease the minds of women who didnt wish to be associated with the idea of having "killed" their potential child when nature didnt allow them to carry to birth.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:25:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Of course, it's art. Look at all the strong emotional reactions it provokes.

You silly, silly people...




a student carrying a loaded weapon into a college shooting many people causes a strong emotional reaction, and that isnt art, either.

and i did say "in my opinion".

kitten, not arguing, just stating an opinion.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:30:14 PM   
SugarMyChurro


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Status: offline 		Context matters, or didn't you know that? While it's true that a miscarriage as performance might still be a real miscarriage, it's framing changes the activity in my view.

When Annie Sprinkle used to masturbate on stage and show you all of her parts, it was framed as art even if she was actually masturbating.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:32:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Of course, it's art. Look at all the strong emotional reactions it provokes.

You silly, silly people...




So some people's posts here would be art........ hmm. No.......

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 5:43:17 PM   
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What do Yale and Harvard students have in common?

They all were accepted at Yale.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 6:09:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

If someone did this with their pets it would most likely be a felony. 


Well.. maybe they did... http://www.collarchat.com/m_1792817/tm.htm

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I agree with you completely, LadyE - the concept was disgusting, but if it hadn't been 'real', there would have been no point to it (in the 'artist's' mind).


Was there a point to this horrific display?

So killing a dog in the name of art is far more immoral in some peoples minds than killing an unborn human.

Nice world we live in.

I'm soru bot the woman had NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER to commit this act. and the people here defending her choice to abort have really lost their way in the worship of pro abortion!

But this is what you get with abortion on demand!


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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 6:18:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		She has authority over her reproductive rights, I feel that all women should have this right.  But I think this is weird and gross.  And I will admit that I don't get modern art.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 6:27:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right to kill dogs, no.
Right to kill unborn humans yes.

Again I say....

This is what you get with abortion on demand.

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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 6:47:18 PM   
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This is what you get with abortion on demand.


Please explain how you make the jump from legal abortion to a work of art miscarriage.


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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 6:56:10 PM   
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This is what you get with abortion on demand.


Please explain how you make the jump from legal abortion to a work of art miscarriage.



Technically speaking, he is correct in that if you allow abortion for most cases, this kind of thing is a possibility.

What he doesn't address is that there are also major costs to restricting freedom, or, if one wants to be sarcastic, that this is what you get with air on demand.

If we simply removed everyone's air supply, this never would have been possible.


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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 7:04:05 PM   
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What he doesn't address is that there are also major costs to restricting freedom


Yes, I get that.  And for many that is okay if it's a woman's reproductive rights we are talking about.  I've never understood that point of view.  And I know that one thousand years on a message board isn't ever going to make me understand it.


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RE: Yale student induces miscarriages as an art project - 4/17/2008 7:04:29 PM   
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Well she sure is stretching the boundaries of what is "art." 

She is aborting these pregancies; these are not miscarriages, at least not natural ones.  And while she has the right to abort, it is my opinion she is abusing that right.

I didn't click on the link.  I have already seen photos of mutilated fetuses and have no desire to see more.  On the other hand, she is doing a great job of providing ammo for Pro Lifers, in that many people who abort do not know what the mutilated fetus looks like, and this may cause them pause.

While I do not place her in the same category of women who have miscarried, I do understand the sentiment of seeing pregnancies casually terminated when one has lost her own.  My sister lost 5 pregnancies and can no longer conceive.  She has two beautiful adopted boys now, but it always broke her heart to see other women toss out babies she would have gladly adopted. 

As one who was denied motherhood, I find this woman to have a complete lack of respect for the abilities she has been given.  To each their own but I find it rather disgraceful and lacking class.

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