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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/26/2008 11:03:32 PM   
AcademyForSlaves


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We give sex lessons on this and here's a few helpful pointers from those training classes.

-A submissive is there to serve, so if a Mistress wants sex the sub needs to be selfless, attentive, observant, and obedient.

-The sub must ask the Mistress what she wants. The sex is for her, not him.

-The sub must not ask or expect anything in return. That is up to the Mistress.



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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/26/2008 11:06:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AcademyForSlaves

We give sex lessons on this and here's a few helpful pointers from those training classes.

-A submissive is there to serve, so if a Mistress wants sex the sub needs to be selfless, attentive, observant, and obedient.

-The sub must ask the Mistress what she wants. The sex is for her, not him.

-The sub must not ask or expect anything in return. That is up to the Mistress.




This sounds very radical to me!


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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/27/2008 5:18:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

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DominantJenny:
As has been said, everyone is different.  I very, very rarely want that kind of aggression from my partner... and I, too, am more than happy to hear "Mistress, may I fuck you?".  On those occasions when he tries to initiate very aggressive behaviors, I communicate pretty clearly through either body language or words as to whether it's a good idea at the moment.  Sometimes, I like to turn it on its head, too.

You talk about both this aggressive kind of seduction and a very "gentlemanly" sort of seduction.  I understand that it may just not be your thing, but I'd encourage you to explore the possibilities in "submissive but not passive" demonstrations of desire like assuming vulnerable positions and reaching out from them with your mouth, arms, and *ahem* other parts, for example.  I'm not wording it as well as I could, sorry. Long day. :)


Dominant Jenny, while you may not feel so, I think you expressed yourself extremely clearly and well, especially your description of "submissive but not passive demonstrations of desire".  This is something new to me and I'll need to work on it a bit.  To me, there is a certain romance and respect in the way you noted "assuming vulnerable positions".  This sounds yummy and yet another doorway for communicating affection to my partner.  I'll have to let this percolate into reality.  Thank you.  And gee, yet another thumbs up vote for "Mistress, may I fuck you".  In the right context, there seems to be a unanimous, Dommely, positive response to this approach.  I never would have thought this so I've learned a great deal from everyone.

After reading this thread, thinking about the phrase "Mistress, may I fuck you" is rather sexy.  I mean, it's respectful, yet passionately, deliciously vulgar; it communicates great affection and desire; it asks for permission; and, given the context in which we're all talking about, it is a huge compliment to a Domina.  Yes.  I'm beginning to see the attraction here. :-)


Aww, thank you! :) I'm glad it was helpful.
And since you complimented my communication skills, I have to return the compliment...that last paragraph there? Oh, yes, most exactly. :)
(And thanks for the joke clarification. Darchchylde messaged me. :))

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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/27/2008 8:27:39 AM   
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ok.. now are the two of you seeing the same sub.. Fox?  or am I missing something.. hehe.. is Fox used for sub or slave in this lifestyle or you two have a sub (different one) named Fox... ?

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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/27/2008 12:02:36 PM   
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AcademyForSlaves:
We give sex lessons on this and here's a few helpful pointers from those training classes.

(snip)

- The sub must ask the Mistress what she wants.  The sex is for her, not him.

- The sub must not ask or expect anything in return.  That is up to the Mistress.


This type of dynamic makes for great, online fantasy, but it's unlikely to work in a real-life, BDSM relationships, at least, it certainly never has for me.  I venture to say that many people (Dominas, switches, and submissives alike) would find this approach pedestrian, boring, and ultimately intolerable.  It's not much fun being in a one-sided relationship.  A large part of the mutual, emotional enrichment of a relationship comes from pampering your partner and sharing with them, sexually and non-sexually, as they enjoy themselves.

Edited to add:  AcademyForSlaves, I asked for advice and this is exactly what you gave.  Thank you for your contribution.  These days, when I read what seems to be fantasy-oriented protocol, I do tend to call it out when it is presented as foundation for real-life, BDSM relationships.  I apologize if I have reacted overly harshly.

Elan.

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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/27/2008 12:10:50 PM   
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DominantJenny,

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Aww, thank you! :)  I'm glad it was helpful.  And since you complimented my communication skills, I have to return the compliment... that last paragraph there?  Oh, yes, most exactly. :)


Thank you.  I really appreciate your kind words and feedback. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/27/2008 4:26:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ElanSubduedYour delineation between more formal dynamics and romantic dynamics is interesting because, to me, a more formal relationship *is* a romantic relationship!  I think what you mean by "formal" though is a relationship that is more service-oriented.  Yes/no?


Hi Elan,

Yes, the formal dynamic I had in mind is one that is more service-oriented. However, it is not the service aspect that makes it formal, but rather a stark imbalance in power status of each, and a formality of mannerism that makes it formal. An example would be a dynamic similar to what might have been between a noble lady and a servant in times past. By a romantic BDSM dynamic, I mean one where the two are a romantic couple whose relationship includes BDSM, and they are closer to being peers. I see this type to be a more relaxed dynamic. A formal dynamic is how one might interact with a judge. A relaxed dynamic is how one might interact with a supervisor with whom one has good rapport. In the formal dynamic I define, it's as if it's not one's place to expect sex. In the romantic dynamic I define, one cannot demand intimacy but one can expect it as a general relationship expectation.

I primarily seek a romantic BDSM relationship, which is different from the formal relationship I describe. Thus, I do not see a formal relationship to be a long-term or exclusive relationship. However, it is not the duration or exclusivity of the relationship that makes it formal--one can have a brief or non-exclusive relationship that carries a romantic component--but the manner of interaction that makes it so.

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The words "<chosen title>, I want to fuck", regardless of whether said with a tone of subservience or not, are demanding.  The actual mascot is:  "<chosen title>, may I fuck you" or "Darling, you look and smell so delicious, I'd like to fuck you".


You are right in that the words can convey different meanings. My emphasis in this case is less on the exact words and more on the idea of explicitly saying that one is interested to have sex.

You are correct that I do not expect sex everytime I would take that person out for dinner. I gave the dinner comment as an example because of a recent conversation about the matter. I expect that if I were to make such a comment, by that time I will have already gone out to dinner. So the comment I gave in my example is metaphorical and not literal; it is not really exressing an intention to take to dinner and then have sex (there might not even be dinner involved for that particular instance) and sex may already have occurred previously. Instead the comment is meant to be a playful reference (almost an inside joke) to a comment about expecting to be taken to dinner before having sex. This comment might be immediately followed by other playfulness that could lead to whatever right then.

The point I wish to convey is that my approach is based on seduction and flirtatious playfulness that organically builds. It is based on not simply suggesting sex, but instead creating the mood for it. To me, humor and flirtatious playfulness help create the mood for it.

Thanks for facilitating the engaging discussion.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Making love to a Domina - how does a sub do this? - 4/27/2008 8:06:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

One piece of advice...

Avoid slapping her ass while calling out "Who's your daddy?!".  While this is not something that i have ever done, even with vanilla partners; i find it hard to believe that many dominant women will take it very well.



I dunno.  I am thinking that I would just start laughing REALLY hard.  Which could be dangerous. 


I have to agree with Lady Hibiscus on this one.
And I actually had something similar happen just recently (minus the "who's your daddy" line).... I raised an eyebrow, he grinned that wicked grin. I whaped him on the head, called him a man-pig and made him snort for me... all ending in uproarious laughter from both of us. At another time, it might not go over so well, but just like any relationship, if you know your Lady's moods and when you can make her laugh, go for it!

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