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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/21/2008 11:09:19 PM   
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If you're not getting the results you want, you need to change how you are arranging to get those results. Sounds like you need to work on being more consistent. Perhaps you're trying to do too many things at once and need to take a few steps back.

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 3:45:02 AM   
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If you don't act like it's important to you, then why should she believe otherwise?

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 7:49:29 AM   
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The following through is the hard part.  I'll admit I'm inharently lazy.  Something that I learned long ago isn't compatable with being a Master/Dom.  Just as she has thing to learn and over come to become a proper slave, I have things to over come to become a proper Master.  Funny enough having someone at your beck-and-call is a lot of work.  All to often I've heard myself say "It's not that important so I'll let it go this time..."

It's not so much that I'm "cracking down", more of just doing what I said I'd do in the first place.



Forgive me if I mistake the quote above.  But, to me it sounds as though you are now laying in wait with crop in hand to strike the minute she neglects to perform a task that in the past you, yourself told her "to forget, it wasn't that important to begin with".

If on the off chance I'm correct...please let me know how it went

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 7:50:52 AM   
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The following through is the hard part.  I'll admit I'm inharently lazy.  Something that I learned long ago isn't compatable with being a Master/Dom.  Just as she has thing to learn and over come to become a proper slave, I have things to over come to become a proper Master.  Funny enough having someone at your beck-and-call is a lot of work.  All to often I've heard myself say "It's not that important so I'll let it go this time..."

It's not so much that I'm "cracking down", more of just doing what I said I'd do in the first place.



Forgive me if I mistake the quote above.  But, to me it sounds as though you are now laying in wait with crop in hand to strike the minute she neglects to perform a task that in the past you, yourself told her "to forget, it wasn't that important to begin with".

If on the off chance I'm correct...please let me know how it went cause I have a bad brewing.


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 9:04:59 AM   
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Forgive me if I mistake the quote above.  But, to me it sounds as though you are now laying in wait with crop in hand to strike the minute she neglects to perform a task that in the past you, yourself told her "to forget, it wasn't that important to begin with".

If on the off chance I'm correct...please let me know how it went


That is an amusing mental image, but I wouldn't quite go that far...  For one, the crop is used for fun, not for diciplyn.  Also keep in mind that there was signifigant discussion so she knows what to expect.  She knows things I let slide before will now result in a punishment, and she knows what the punishment will be when it happens.


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 9:54:25 AM   
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Also Fox might I sugesst if you see her about to slack on duty xyz, besides the jail out of free card, make a noice or something that you both know means shes about to do something that would break the rules. I dont know how long youve been together but I know personally with myself alot of habits are hard to break, and in the heat of the moment or when I'm tired, or I took a trip to east jabip when thinking about something. I can barely remember my name let alone a list of rules and regulations someone has just started to impose on me. Its much like teaching an um No after a while you just make a noise and they look at you like okay...

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 10:23:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven
Forgive me if I mistake the quote above.  But, to me it sounds as though you are now laying in wait with crop in hand to strike the minute she neglects to perform a task that in the past you, yourself told her "to forget, it wasn't that important to begin with".

If on the off chance I'm correct...please let me know how it went


That is an amusing mental image, but I wouldn't quite go that far...  For one, the crop is used for fun, not for diciplyn.  Also keep in mind that there was signifigant discussion so she knows what to expect.  She knows things I let slide before will now result in a punishment, and she knows what the punishment will be when it happens.



Sounds to me like you've learned your lesson and if she doesn't learn her's...she will with a little help. ;)

Thanks for the clarification I was beginning to actually worry.

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 1:23:21 PM   
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Just sit down and clarify what language means what.

"Would you mind" is good for starting an optional request.  "Please xxxx" is more of a polite order.  (for example).  Of course, then you need to be consistent in how you phrase things and address not meeting expectations.

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 4:34:25 PM   
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So what happens if you fall asleep after a blow job? Is she supposed to get zero sleep and risk TSS by keeping some toy in all night? What's your punishment for screwing up?

And what if you only want anal sex once a week? Is she supposed to take money out of the food budget to buy itand wash the sheets nightly because she has to be lubed up all the time?

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 5:12:54 PM   
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Also Fox might I sugesst if you see her about to slack on duty xyz, besides the jail out of free card, make a noice or something that you both know means shes about to do something that would break the rules. I dont know how long youve been together but I know personally with myself alot of habits are hard to break, and in the heat of the moment or when I'm tired, or I took a trip to east jabip when thinking about something. I can barely remember my name let alone a list of rules and regulations someone has just started to impose on me. Its much like teaching an um No after a while you just make a noise and they look at you like okay...


Things like that have always been a part of our dynamic.  I'm not looking for excuses to punish her, I just want my instructions followed. 

TO DesFIP:   Since I know you don't have enough details about the situation to have the slightest clue of what you are talking about, please don't get upset that I am not addressing issues you bring up in your remark.  It's just that I'm not very good at tolerating people that critisize what they don't understand or have knowledge about. 

For the record:  If my girl has a problem with my instructions, she has the absolute right to talk to me about it at any time.  Any concern she has will get my full attention and serious consideration.  She doen't need anyone to be her advocate or to act on her behalf without her knowledge or concent. 


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 6:16:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiteFox77

quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelessfool

Also Fox might I sugesst if you see her about to slack on duty xyz, besides the jail out of free card, make a noice or something that you both know means shes about to do something that would break the rules. I dont know how long youve been together but I know personally with myself alot of habits are hard to break, and in the heat of the moment or when I'm tired, or I took a trip to east jabip when thinking about something. I can barely remember my name let alone a list of rules and regulations someone has just started to impose on me. Its much like teaching an um No after a while you just make a noise and they look at you like okay...


Things like that have always been a part of our dynamic.  I'm not looking for excuses to punish her, I just want my instructions followed. 

TO DesFIP:   Since I know you don't have enough details about the situation to have the slightest clue of what you are talking about, please don't get upset that I am not addressing issues you bring up in your remark.  It's just that I'm not very good at tolerating people that critisize what they don't understand or have knowledge about. 

For the record:  If my girl has a problem with my instructions, she has the absolute right to talk to me about it at any time.  Any concern she has will get my full attention and serious consideration.  She doen't need anyone to be her advocate or to act on her behalf without her knowledge or concent. 



Look dude, you came out here seeking answers that you could have easily found for yourself if you were willing to take the time. Then being the controlled person that you are you criticize the advice that you are given.

you answered your own damn question. You are right, you are lazy. From the tone of this post and what you have added...I don't know why she would listen to much that you have to say.


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 6:53:03 PM   
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If you aren't consistent with all things then she will find a way to get away with things because she knows you are lax in them. You, yourself said that. Be consistent and explain what it is you expect. She cannot be a mind reader.

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/22/2008 10:26:35 PM   
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Look dude, you came out here seeking answers that you could have easily found for yourself if you were willing to take the time. Then being the controlled person that you are you criticize the advice that you are given.

you answered your own damn question. You are right, you are lazy. From the tone of this post and what you have added...I don't know why she would listen to much that you have to say.


2 into the cluless pool...


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/23/2008 3:58:02 PM   
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To give everyone an update, StrawberryTart and I had our talk two days ago.  With the help of a reminder here and there, she's managed to accomplish everything asked of her without encuring any penalties (or even using her "get out of jail free" pass).  Two days isn't much of a base line, but it's a good start.  Thanks for your help and advice :)

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/24/2008 6:24:33 AM   
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umm, yes cali you are so right here thank you. i am not a slave, i am a submissive and i have never been collared, but this is my line of thinking, the Dominant/Master in question has to be consistant and in control 24/7. If He is unable to be consistant and in control then how should he expect His slave to be. I suggest to start over, with daily discipline,obiedence,behavior modifications, essay's minimum 1000 word per week. And make her work hard for the essay just like in school. Research data,compile,outline and write it up within a certain time frame. Take her collar away for an undetermined amount of time, make up a list of daily chores she must follow. If it's worth you being in a Master/slave dynamic then you need to step up tio the plate and stress the importance of all this. This is the way i am being trained by my Daddy and so far He is very satisfied with the results.          Ps.. Reward her at the end of the week for her efforts.  Just my suggestion.  in respect Sir.
 
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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/24/2008 7:49:40 AM   
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Before I just crack down on her, I'm hoping that people that have actually gone through this problem can tell me what they tried in order to resolve it, and what worked and didn't work.



Teaching, training, coaching, educating... use whatever word you want.... a person's slave can be rather troublesome at times.  Figuring out what went wrong is even harder.  I came across a concept a few years ago that I kink-ified.  It is a process for me to understand what needs to occur for my slave to proper execute my instructions.  When things go wrong... I look at each area.. to determine what "I" am doing wrong as well as what my slave might be doing wrong.... A relationship takes two... and very rarely is it only one that is making the mistake.


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D - Direction.  It is critical that each and every expectation to obey is clearly understood by the slave/submissive.  If it is not clearly understood, the slave/sub will be fortuanate to reach an expectation of the Master/Doms.  of course this is where communication is so critical.  My girls are instructed to always ask... What, Where, When & How in understanding clearly what I want.  They are not to take action to fulfill my instructions unless they feel confident that they understand what I want.  I in turn will do my best to ensure they clearly understand.  Often times when the expectation is not met, I have found that poor Direction was the fault.  We have come away thinking that they eveyone understood.  But, with some communicating.. there was a miscommunication that create a situation that lacked Clear Direction and thus it was doomed to fail.  Yes, there is faults to be laid.. sometimes it's the girls fault and sometimes it's mine.  However, what is more important is not laying blame but fixing the problem so that Direction is Clear!

O - Opportunity.  It is critical that any expectation/instruction given that they slave/sub has a reasonable opportunity to achieve it.  It is pointless to tell a slave/sub to paint the outside of the house in the next two weeks and it rains every day of those two weeks.  It's clear that the slave/sub doesn't have an chance to succeed.  When failure occurs... it's important for the Master/Dom to consider if the slave/sub had a reasonable opportunity to achieve success.  Keep in mind, that a sub/slave will also have there own opinion in this regard.  It's important to peel back the onion of failure and get to the heart.  Discard the excuses and accept the Reasons for failed opportunity to succeed.

M - Motivation.  Generally speaking this likely the hardest to establish.  However, unless a person is truly motivated to want to do the job it will not likely be achieved.  Putting half efforts extra are often times a question of motivation.  It could be a slave/sub doesn't agree with the decision etc.  and they are allowing their own judgement to affect their performance.  When it's a motivation problem, I consider it to be the most serious of the failures to success.  Poor motivation can make a relationship completely disfunctional.

S - Skill.  It is without question that the slave/sub needs to have the required ability to achieve the task at hand.  Sometimes judging the skill is more subjective than objective.  One must be honest with the skills one has.  A Master/Dom that attempts to have slave/sub perform a task or duty that is beyond their skill can do alot of Damage to the slave/subs esteem and the relationship in the long-term.  A slave/sub must be reasonable in what they think they can do. 

Success in my mind is depend on Direction, Opportunity, Motivation & Skill.   Consider carefully where you think you are failing.  Discuss it with your Master.  Do not focus on "YOU" but focus on the equation. 

D O M S  =  S U C C E S S


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/24/2008 2:17:33 PM   
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KnightofMists:  Thanks, that is definatly something we'll find usefull.  Excelent for analysing failure points, and possibly catching them ahead of time.


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/24/2008 9:56:07 PM   
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your welcome... I know it has been very useful for me.... particular when I find myself beating my head against a brick wall... it can be rather humbling to realize that it's the damn brick wall that I put there in the first place.

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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/25/2008 12:26:33 AM   
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You know... being in control doesn't mean you have to control every detail to the point of making more work for yourself or her. Perhaps instead of lubing herself every night, you make it a house rule to keep the bottle of lube within arm's reach of the bed. Takes only a few moments to grab it, pop the cap and apply and it's something easy to check on. If the two of you put your heads together, you can probably find solutions for your other problems as well.

Also I gotta say... lubed sheets are gross to sleep on.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 4/25/2008 12:27:28 AM >


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RE: A Training Mistake - 4/25/2008 4:54:16 AM   
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 I would say you have bigger problems than messing up on your training, if she is claiming to be a slave and is not following orders than perhaps you both need to evaluate what it means to be a slave. I have lived for 9 years as property I have stumbled and fallen too many times to count when following an order, but I have never disobeyed an order, I may have to stumble thru but the order is carried out.
 
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Blessings GemI whole heartily agree, i have never disobeyed an order but i have fumbled through with such lack of grace, that Master just laughs...like trying to follow him down a few steps coming out of the house and falling flat on my face..and believe me it has happened more then one...or talking to Master at night and falling asleep on the phone...(NyQuil then becomes my enemy at that point)...besides trust, trying it the most important part of anything i do for Master.  Blessed Bepamela(Master Dragon's considered slave) 

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