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sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 6:59:07 PM   
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Hello everyone!

I am considering a slave that is locacted in Europe - Denmark.  He is not married, never had any trouble with the law and sounds like a wonderful match for me  He currently holds a passport as well.  I was wondering if anyone else has experienced bringing someone in from overseas and what the process was, how did it work, cost, etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:08:17 PM   
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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:18:04 PM   
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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:28:34 PM   
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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:36:19 PM   
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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:45:03 PM   
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Just tell him to apply for a visitor visa.  Then he can come over, stay a bit and go home.  THEN, you can consider a more serious schedule.  You ARE planning to have him pay for his travel?

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:52:51 PM   
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If he wants to stay, he'll probably need to be employed. Coming from Denmark, he could apply as a mascot for the Vikings

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 7:53:04 PM   
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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 8:20:03 PM   
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when i went to another country to stay with my dominant for a couple of weeks, no one questioned me about anything until i stood at the border check-point and got questioned by immigration...

it was there that  i had to state my purpose for my visit, give the name, address, phone number, birthday, country of origin, and place of employment of the person i was visiting.  then i got asked how long i had known him, how did i know him, how much time we had spent together before, where we met and how we got to know each other, and, the names and ages of his children and other off the wall and random questions...

when it came time for me to try to relocate to that country, it took an act of god, a whole lot of political pull by higher ups that i knew there, a red-tape paperchase, a whole lot of money, time, travel and emotional turmoil, and still, i was denied...

as far as him coming to this country and being able to stay on a permanent basis, according to a couple that i know from this site, she's an imported slave from another country, but he had to marry her and state that he would financially support her for a minimum of 10 or 13 years, i'm not quite sure, regardless of whether or not they divorced between now and then.

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/21/2008 9:31:14 PM   
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I would suggest to tell them your on vacation next time.  One of my coworker is a import.  Started on a student visa kinda easy to get.  To gain citizenship literally tens of thousands.  Had to be employed the employer had to state that they couldn't find anyone locally to hire in his field.  I think it took 4 or 5 years before he was legal.  The employer was streching the truth about not being able to find someone is his field.  In other words he got lucky.  unless of course your mexician or cuban then its easy


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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 12:40:43 AM   
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when i went to another country to stay with my dominant for a couple of weeks, no one questioned me about anything until i stood at the border check-point and got questioned by immigration...

it was there that  i had to state my purpose for my visit, give the name, address, phone number, birthday, country of origin, and place of employment of the person i was visiting.  then i got asked how long i had known him, how did i know him, how much time we had spent together before, where we met and how we got to know each other, and, the names and ages of his children and other off the wall and random questions...

when it came time for me to try to relocate to that country, it took an act of god, a whole lot of political pull by higher ups that i knew there, a red-tape paperchase, a whole lot of money, time, travel and emotional turmoil, and still, i was denied...

as far as him coming to this country and being able to stay on a permanent basis, according to a couple that i know from this site, she's an imported slave from another country, but he had to marry her and state that he would financially support her for a minimum of 10 or 13 years, i'm not quite sure, regardless of whether or not they divorced between now and then.


I would echo this. I've tried and failed to visit the States, despite the fact I'm recognized for my artistic work and have documentary evidence of this. But you see, I'm also transgendered and picked one of the worst entry points to the US - Atlanta International Airport.

The current mindset of the DHS and US Customs and Border Protection is to presume that every foreigner entering the States intends to settle there illegally and it's down to the foreigner to disprove this. So you're kind of guilty but have to prove your innocence. The same is true when you apply for a visa via the US Consulate.

Expect difficulties, it can be time-consuming, expensive, difficult, and frustrating and quite lengthy. Visiting can be easy, but settling there permanently can be very difficult. Marriage is an option, or as a priority worker but even here the current requirements are quite unrealistic.

I'm lucky though, I've never needed the States in my work and I've switched my relocation plans back to Canada.

I would suggest going through sections 212 and 217 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to work out who is admissible and what reasons they can deny someone entry. I would advise an Affidavit of Support and a wise choice of flight and port of entry into the US.

However it's worth bearing in mind who the current administration is and that the requirements may change when the administration changes.



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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 12:59:24 AM   
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I am with John on this one.  Have him come for a visit, if you want schedule it for maximum a Visa will allow.  You may want to arrange for an alternate place for him to stay, like renting a room from a friend of yours etc.  This will give you all time to evaluate how serious you all are and if you have it what it takes to make it work.  The return ticket is key to this process, plus not travelling with things that make it seem like he would not be returning.

Presuming that you all finish this period with the desire to go further, then start the process that would allow him to immigrate.  Determine if his working is important to your household.

Finally, my husband was just approached by someone from overseas who was quickly offering to be a house slave.  When he said he would consider it when she could buy a ticket and get here to meet she disappeared.  I highly agree with the premise that they should buy their own ticket.  If you want to share the cost, reimburse them upon arrival, don't send money into the abyss so to speak it could easily be a scam.

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 6:23:38 AM   
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OP the first thing is to take off any rose cover glasses. I know of a few females who thought they would bring over their overseas or Canadian  Doms. I even know a few females who tought it would be easy to relocate here. None of it happened. Find yourself a Dom/sub that lives here.

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 6:49:16 AM   
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OP the first thing is to take off any rose cover glasses. I know of a few females who thought they would bring over their overseas or Canadian  Doms. I even know a few females who tought it would be easy to relocate here. None of it happened. Find yourself a Dom/sub that lives here.

Oh but you US types are just so GREAT!
just think of the cross atlantic traffic if bdsm staus got us a Green Card. Et voila! stamped! I would have become an official US slave many many many years ago.
Fuck it it's the accent and the way y'all say asuume the position. It drives an English rose insane.


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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 8:31:33 AM   
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I am with John on this one.  Have him come for a visit, if you want schedule it for maximum a Visa will allow.  You may want to arrange for an alternate place for him to stay, like renting a room from a friend of yours etc.  This will give you all time to evaluate how serious you all are and if you have it what it takes to make it work.  The return ticket is key to this process, plus not travelling with things that make it seem like he would not be returning.

Presuming that you all finish this period with the desire to go further, then start the process that would allow him to immigrate.  Determine if his working is important to your household.

Finally, my husband was just approached by someone from overseas who was quickly offering to be a house slave.  When he said he would consider it when she could buy a ticket and get here to meet she disappeared.  I highly agree with the premise that they should buy their own ticket.  If you want to share the cost, reimburse them upon arrival, don't send money into the abyss so to speak it could easily be a scam.


I'm sorry but I found this posting to be quite amusing.. Really..

daddysliloneds said it, BadOne pointed it out, you can add Dnomyar to this.. and I've posted it and I'm writing here from a night spent in Altanta City Detention Center, hours spent in Atlanta Airport and another cell at the ICE Dept in Atlanta plus since then a failed visa application..

It ain't that easy.. trust me.. Hours before my flight back to London I watched and saw how US Customs and Border Protection officials denied entry to both Singapore Airlines and British Airways flight staff who were fully uniformed and working on flights that had landed at Atlanta.

"don't send money into the abyss so to speak it could easily be a scam". I'm sorry, this had me in hysterics. You think the cost of the flight is the most important here? Sure, he can cover the flight, and the $131 fee for the visa application, not to mention calls made to the Consulate at $2 a minute where you get asked lots of questions over the phone and the call can last anything up to half an hour but if you are immigrating someone into the US then be prepared to have expenses too. Major expenses such as legal fees. There'sm no guarantees whatsoever. None.

JohnWarren gave some good advice, apply for the visa.. you need a B1/B2 non-speculative visa, unless you want him to run the risk on the Visa Waiver Program., I would also suggest a scheduled flight where the dates can be changed on the ticket..

'if you want to schedule it for maximum a visa will allow' - I'm sorry, he won't get in. Not this way. The US authorities presume any foreigner to be intending to settle there illegally. This is how it is. On the border they will expect him to be able to prove that he can fully support himself for the entire length of the visa, and they will expect him to be able to produce the banknotes, bank statements and credit cards on demand. They will also want to know why he needs to spend so long visiting the US.

'You may want to arrange for an alternate place for him to stay, like renting a room from a friend of yours etc' - again, if this comes out at the airport he won't get in. He's YOUR guest,. YOU are responsible, not anyone else. Any consular official or border guard will pick up on this and when they make checks they make stringent checks.

'Presuming that you all finish this period with the desire to go further, then start the process that would allow him to immigrate. Determine if his working is important to your household.' Oh right, and how? You think it's just as easy as filling out a form and starting a process?

Reality check. These are the only ways into the United States on an immigrant visa.

1. Marriage - as the spouse of a US citizen.
2. by way of a foreign employer who requires someone in the States subject to conditions
3. by way of an American employer who needs a qualified employee who they cannot find in the States
4. as an entrepreneur or business person - but trust me, you need a lot of money and a lot of luck
5 . as a priority worker - an artist, scientist, sportsperson, etc someone with 'exceptional ability' who has 'consistently been at the top of their chosen field'.
6. as a charity worker or minister of religion

I'm still one of the few people who can emigrate into the States independently but that's because I'm recognized for my artistic work and have documentary evidence not only that I have been at the top of my field but also that I work in my own area of theatre and have developed my own theory. I can still emigrate into the States independently but if I choose to do so I'm coming via Canada and I enter having my own income and as the founder and trustee of a registered charity.

This isn't like relocating from another state, we're talking here international relocation. You really are playing for the high stakes and you don't really have those guarantees. This isn't a case of book a flight, come over and we'll discuss it. This is more a case of a combined struggle against the authorities and laying siege to what has become Fortress America. This is a long process which is time-consuming, expensive, problematic, where you can't play by the rules (the rules keep changing, trust me) and you can just so easily end up with nothing.

I still get offers from Dommes and Couples in the States wanting me to be their house slave, realistically expecting me to fly out to somewhere like Arizona or (more recently) Missouri for an unpaid maid position. What worries me is that they're usually quite old and they genuinely believe there's a chance I'll agree and pay for a trans-Atlantic flight (which booked in Europe incidentally is usually far more expensive than in North America, even twice as much) and all expenses just to clean their house.

Yeah right. Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.





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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 8:41:06 AM   
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I still get offers from Dommes and Couples in the States wanting me to be their house slave, realistically expecting me to fly out to somewhere like Arizona or (more recently) Missouri for an unpaid maid position. What worries me is that they're usually quite old and they genuinely believe there's a chance I'll agree and pay for a trans-Atlantic flight (which booked in Europe incidentally is usually far more expensive than in North America, even twice as much) and all expenses just to clean their house.

Yeah right. Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.


Yes like there's a slave trade and a slave trade..........
and no I didn't mean I would enter the US sight unseen.....although if it's the look of my butt your after what's the big deal?
But we can all dream and live in lalaland.
The best arrangement for me would be 6 months and a day in UK (summer of course) and the rest somewhere else.........and yes I do clean house to perfection.
Maybe I'll add willing-to-relocate on my profile...smiles.......
Seriously though the demand for a third (female) seems to be in the highest demand category. Sorry getting off topic of the thread and rambling here as to how is the best way to exploit myself in order to escape and English winter.


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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 9:02:38 AM   
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I think we need to consider a bit of reality here.  In my experience with people contacting me from both inside and outside of this country, it is probably either a scam or a fantasy.  Just with local people meeting for a primary discussion in a public place, I have almost a 50 percent no-show rate.  I've NEVER had a foreign contact follow up.  This is why Libby and I prefer to meet people at scene events and leave the internet just for advising and discussing.  If someone isn't active in the scene, odds are they won't be.  I'd extrapolate that to anyone in a sexually permissive country like Denmark.

My primary advice is to do as little as possible until you've actually met this person.  If you want to refund him his expenses later, that's fine, but nothing upfront.  No visa is required for citizens of Denmark for visits of less than 90 days.  Have him come on one (unlikely) see if the three of you hit off over a period of a month (even less likely, it's very hard to make a master-mistress-slave match) and if he does, he can return home and start on the more complex paperwork for an immigrant visa.

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 9:12:55 AM   
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I think I've been pretty lucky, three different times doms have come to stay with me from overseas.One thing none of them did was to respond that they had met me online which I've heard of others doing possibly causing their problems entering the US to visit friends. They just said they were traveling the US for a few weeks. All of them I considered friends and had chatted with for a very long time. After a couple of years worth of chatting I felt comfortable with them staying here but I also made sure they knew it would be a hotel for them if I felt otherwise. I had stuff planned out to keep us busy and more stuff planned in case there wasn't that 'play vibe' going on.Sometimes the person you can spend hours online talking to, isn't so great for hours upon days in your home lol.

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 9:38:56 AM   
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Prin.. come on over ;) It's just me and the cats... *grin* (until I can get my ass moved over there..*sigh*)

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RE: sub from outside the US - best way to enter? - 4/22/2008 10:29:49 AM   
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I live on the Canadian border. For years I use to walk and drive across to Canada with no problem. Going to the casino is easy. Going to a place like Niagra falls for a few days requires that I already have a hotel room to stay in. You can get around that by saying that your going to New York. I have a passport because I travel a lot. If you don't have one get one. It is easy. It saves a ton of BS at the airports or crossings.  

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