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Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 12:20:06 AM   
QuietMaster4u


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Status: offline 		*waving the biggest red flag I can back and forth"

Okay, masters time to speak up and be heard. This is going out to all of us who consider ourselves sadist or even sadistic.

I have a friend, who is new to the lifestyle and just getting her feet wet. I have taken her under my wing, and trying to keep her safe. My problem!!!

There is now a master out there that wants her, but he has crossed the line (in my opinion). I can no longer consider him a sadist or master, but a true threat and a bad name to all of the rest of us. I'm not picking on "Beach", but could use her experience and knowledge on this one. If anyone is still in contact with her, please point her in this direction.

Getting back to the problem...
No names mentioned here (so as to keep the moderators from quashing this one). Will mention he is in the southern Oregon area, though. He wanted to break in this novice slave (first encounter) by gang raping her. Saying that she would have to crawl out of his room after they were finish with her. If he was in a generous mood, we would have paid for the cab fair to get her to the hospital. - This is all ad lib from a conversation the other night between myself, another master (now ex friend to this sadist), and the sadist.
The other master, had informed me that this sadist and a friend were responsible for putting another slave into a hospital after a party they had all attended. I have since learned there are at least three men in the local area that share these views about how to use slaves. The sadist has, slaves currently in his possession and is looking to add more. He has advised me that all his slaves are shared among his friends and abused equally or punished for disobeying.
He has found out where my novice friend lives. So, he is extremely good with getting information off of the internet. He was so bold as to leave a calling card to prove his point. A rose on her door step. She is actively using her caller id before answering any phone calls. I have also advised her to call the police, should any of the three men show up. The ex friend has been kind enough to give us pictures of them. The sadist is claiming that if she does not surrender to him willingly. He will make her pay...
I said this before, I will stand up in defense of anyone close to me. But I am only one person. I understand the rules of engagement for the police. They can do nothing until he actually makes a move, but I fear his intentions are very clear at this point.
The clock is ticking on this one, so any replies are most welcome.

Wolf.
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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 12:33:51 AM   
FLButtSlut


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Status: offline 		Please, PLEASE check out the stalking laws in your state and community. Stalking laws make one able to protect themselves BEFORE there is an incident.

Actually, I took the liberty of looking some stuff up for you.
Oregon Stalking Laws

Yahoo list for Oregon Stalking laws

It appears that the law is on your friend's side on this. You might also want to look into "terroristic threats" (for his "make you pay" comment, not as an international terrorist for those who would post without knowing).

While getting all this taken care of, if possible stay with your friend or have her stay with you, or see if she can have others to do the same. This guy sounds like an absolute predator, and you are right to be scared for her. If I were her, until the police were completely aware, I would not want to be left alone. Any friends own a nice pit bull or rottweiler she can borrow? Sounds funny, but I am very serious.

Good luck, and please let me know how things turn out.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 2:37:43 AM   
MissDiandSirHugh


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Status: offline 		Not knowing any laws of your country QuiteMaster4u we can not help in that side but FLButtSlut has done that work and we would agree with her on moveing to your friends house or haveing her move to yours especailly if because of the lifestyle you or her are not able to inform the police due to it causeing more trouble for you both.
One small thing we thought may help in some way would be if you were to say you owned your friend even if just to help in her protection and till things were resolved we understand shes only new to the scene but just an idea from our side of the world.
But we wish you safty and her also and we waite as well to know the outcome.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 6:16:01 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		OK well the problem is that MOST of this is rumor and heresay. MOST of this is just fluff and nothing substantial other than " if it's not your cup of tea, just don't do it"

The only issues that matter here are a) the rose and b) the direct threat.

If she hasn't yet, she needs to send him a message that nothing will happen, today or in the future and that he needs to cease all contact with her or she will make it a legal issue.

And then she needs to carefully document any future contact he tries to make, if any, and report them. The rules for keeping someone away vary greatly so I can't say exactly what's needed here.

While I generally dislike the whole "protect the newbies" since I think it does more harm than good in the end, just make sure she knows how to take care of it herself.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 7:11:07 AM   
OscarHargraves


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Status: offline 		ES2 is right. Contact the person and send them a letter that she is not interested and that she is becoming afraid for her safety because of him. Be sure to keep a copy. Then carefully document everything (in chronological order) that has happened and keep it somewhere safe.

Don't hesitate to contact the local police and go in and make a report NOW. They may not be able to do anything immediately but they will have the info in case someone else has a problem with this (or these) guy(s). Tell her to make a friend in the police dept and keep that friend updated on everything that happens with this guy. Be SURE to give them the name(s) and addresses of this man and a good description of what he looks like.

For right now, you can review the usual safety precautions with her and see if there is anything else that you can add to them. Again, talk to the local police and see if they have any suggestions here too.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 7:36:23 AM   
plantlady64


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Status: offline 		Hello There,
I'd tell your friend to go swear out a restraining order against this guy. If she writes in her statement specifically that he's threatened her with a beating that would possibly put her in the hospital & that he's stalking her with the phone calls and flowers left on her porch they may grant the order. The law in MD says if you use the words threatened physical abuse and stalking they ususally will grant the order even if he's never hit her before.
Good luck to you both. I'm praying for her safety.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 8:02:51 AM   
Quivver


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Status: offline 		Just my .02 . . .
Assuming all the facts are exactly as stated, this guy is both a Sadist and a Stalker,
no vs about it. But, stories grow as others talk, guy's have been known to exaggerate,
some like to say shit to scare a sub. I think if you've taken on the responsibility of
protecting this sub your first issue is where is her head? She's new, is it possible
that she's in some frenzy that isnt allowing her to think clearly?
Is she at all assiting in the Drama?
I'm not saying to brush this off by any means. But involving the Police at this point
could have further repercussion that nobody needs. Keep detailed notes, pictures if
possible just in case it does need to be taken further.
I think a deep breath is in order first.............

Q

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 8:02:56 AM   
Evanesce


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quote:

ES2 is right. Contact the person and send them a letter that she is not interested and that she is becoming afraid for her safety because of him.


I would agree with letting this individual know she wishes no further contact with him, but never... NEVER let a stalker or other predator know you're afraid of them. These people feed on fear.

Normally, I don't put much faith into one-sided complaints about inappropriate actions by a dominant. However, if the threats and "calling card" are true, this is much more than incompatible kinks here. I would strongly recommend the girl contact the police, and the courts, and get a restraining order against this guy.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 11:07:08 AM   
sanita


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Status: offline 		OK, the following post is assuming that this is all real, and the facts given are not over- dramatized:

If she has an email or an IM where he told her he'd make her pay if she did not consent. she needs to print it, and take it to the cops.

If it was over the phone, but not recorded, that is harder, but still, the "calling card" would be enough to show concern. This coupled with the clear-cut "leave me alone" letter ES suggested, would be enough to start a stalker file in most states if the harrassment does not stop- i think.

Is she in the state of Oregon, as well? If not, these threats are being made across state lines... Which, i believe, gets the Feds involved. Local cops are not always as effective in nailing a predator as the FBI.

As for the local Master, ex-friend of the creepy man... what the heck is he doing letting this continue in his community? More than one person being hospitalized intentionally? More than one person thinking this is an OK way to treat slaves? i know some people like severe abuse, but not safe, not sane, and apparently not always consensual is not acceptable. i would not just terminate a friendship, i would be looking for a way to legally stop it. i know, i don't belong to any local organizations, and have not attended events, but is there not some sort of repercussion in our little society for this sort of behavior? There has to be some way to put an end to it without "outing" onesself.

Well, i may be an idealist.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 11:24:06 AM   
SadistDave


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Status: offline 		Sharing slaves really isn't a new thing. Just because the guy has a gang-bang parties does not make him a sadist. I would also wonder if his comments about being generous enough to give her cab fare to the hospital is nothing more than a way to heighten the fantasy level of the "rape" aspect for new slaves.

After all, you say he has slaves he uses for this sort of activity already. He must be doing something to keep these women interested in his particular vices.

But lets assume that you are entirely correct, and this guy is a serious threat to your friend. Your friend needs to stop looking at this as a victim and start taking steps to protect herself. My advice would be for her to buy a small dog (the nervous yappy kind) and a big gun.

There are several simple things she can do to protect herself though that are less controversial. Standard deterents like security alarms and barred windows actually work. The secret is that it's important to use thse things as tools, not as stand alone units.

Someone just dealing with one deterrent will usually get in. But having to deal with multiple obstacles will slow them down enough to give you a chance.

-Lights on motion sensors at all doors
-Bars on the windows
-Phones with hands-free capability. Speaker phones are good, because the police will hear whats going on if he gets in.
-An audible alarm that also notifies police in case it is set off.
-Small portable alarms for travelling can be obtained and utilized in a variety of creative ways.
-A nervous yappy dog
-A planned escape route for every room and at least 2 escape routes plans the property. The first should be the car, the second should be a plan in case you must flee on foot.

The police will not protect her if exploiting the local stalking laws fail. However, they will gladly show up afterwards with a rape kit and an ambulance. If it were me, I'd look into sending this guy a few clear messages after securing the homefront.

Learn everything you can about your adversary. Where does he live? Where does he work? What does he drive? Does he have a favorite resturant? What are his daily habits?
Gather intelligence and start a campaign of your own to ruin him or discredit him enough that he is forced to leave you alone (if not leave town).

Remember, this is war! Take off the kid gloves.

-Send him postcards at his work welcoming him to the Nazi Party or the North American Man Boy Love Association. Mailing postcards will work really well if your close enough to the state line to mail them from out of state. If you're not, enlist the aid of a confederate from out of state. The farther, the better.
-Once a week, invite a pastor from a different church to come talk to him.
-Drive by his home at night and seed his lawn with poison ivy. If it's a really nice neighborhood, use dandelion seeds.
-Put a note on his car that says "BOOM!" (Use every precaution that you leave no prints and are not seen doing this as it is highly illegal)
-Make up flyers that say "Hi! My name is _____, and my doctor has told me I have to lose a lot of weight FAST! I'll walk your dog anytime of the day or night for FREE!" Leave his phone number on the last line in big print. Take them to a mall and leave one on every car window in the parking lot.

If you play your cards right, his life will become a living Hell, and he won't have time to stalk anyone... but if all else fails, let me share some wisdom my father gave me.

Friends will help you move. Good friends will help you move a body.
-SD-

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 12:01:35 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
-Send him postcards at his work welcoming him to the Nazi Party or the North American Man Boy Love Association. Mailing postcards will work really well if your close enough to the state line to mail them from out of state. If you're not, enlist the aid of a confederate from out of state. The farther, the better.
-Once a week, invite a pastor from a different church to come talk to him.
-Drive by his home at night and seed his lawn with poison ivy. If it's a really nice neighborhood, use dandelion seeds.
-Put a note on his car that says "BOOM!" (Use every precaution that you leave no prints and are not seen doing this as it is highly illegal)
-Make up flyers that say "Hi! My name is _____, and my doctor has told me I have to lose a lot of weight FAST! I'll walk your dog anytime of the day or night for FREE!" Leave his phone number on the last line in big print. Take them to a mall and leave one on every car window in the parking lot.

If you play your cards right, his life will become a living Hell, and he won't have time to stalk anyone... but if all else fails, let me share some wisdom my father gave me.

Friends will help you move. Good friends will help you move a body.
-SD-

Well unfortunately all of those things would seriously weaken her case and possible get HER into trouble herself (I know you gave her good ways to avoid being caught but that doesn't make it right herself) AND it simply puts more power and influence over this guy.

We don't yet have any proof that he's done anything than be creepy and stupid (heck WE don't have anything, only the submissive got the rose & threat). And let's face it, the world of a sadist seen through the eyes of a novice submissive is not necessarily the best way to see things.

I think notifying him to end it, keeping records and notifying police if anything else happens is smart and keeps things from becoming a larger mess than it already is. If she wants to be more protective, some practical advice is good.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 12:33:57 PM   
Soulhuntre


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quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietMaster4u
*waving the biggest red flag I can back and forth"


Bono? Is that you? Or was that a Duran Duran video?

quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietMaster4u
in the southern Oregon area, though. He wanted to break in this novice slave (first encounter) by gang raping her. Saying that she would have to crawl out of his room after they were finish with her. If he was in a generous mood, we would have paid for the cab fair to get her to the hospital. - This is all ad lib from a conversation the other night between myself, another master (now ex friend to this sadist), and the sadist.


Ok. So far we have someone who is into fairly heavy duty gang bangs and likes taste of "new meat". No problem so far.

quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietMaster4u
The other master, had informed me that this sadist and a friend were responsible for putting another slave into a hospital after a party they had all attended.


And the exact deatails and circumstances are? oh wait, we don't have any. Right :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietMaster4u
I have since learned there are at least three men in the local area that share these views about how to use slaves. The sadist has, slaves currently in his possession and is looking to add more. He has advised me that all his slaves are shared among his friends and abused equally or punished for disobeying.


Just three? Hell I know more guys than three who would certainly be happy to be involved in something like this depending on how cute the girl was :)

As for the shared aspect, that is common as well. So far, I am not seeing any real clear cut issues.

quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietMaster4u
The clock is ticking on this one, so any replies are most welcome.


I am really at a loss as to what it is we, as posters to this forum, are supposed to do here.


  • We have no first hand information about any of this
  • We have no affiliation with anyone involved (at least many of us don't)
  • The actual extent of the problem seems to be a rose left on a doorstep


Other than whipping up a frenzy of "he is a bad man" posts, what sort of reaction were you hoping for?

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 12:39:53 PM   
SadistDave


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quote:

I think notifying him to end it, keeping records and notifying police if anything else happens is smart and keeps things from becoming a larger mess than it already is. If she wants to be more protective, some practical advice is good.


I agree that we really don't know whats going on here. (See the first two paragraphs of my first post.)

I agree wholeheartedly with you ES, I really do. Thats why I included some sound practical advice on protecting herself in my post.

My experience has been that the police are only going to get involved after the fact though. Keeping records will be great for the police after the girl has been gang-raped and hospitalized, but they will not stop her from being raped in the first place.

It is going to take more than a rose on a doorstep to convince the police that he is stalking her. I'm also banking that this guy is smart enough to know that if she discloses their chat logs to the police that she will effectively out herself. It will also give her an upward legal battle to fight in court.

"I would like to enter into evidence this chat log with the defendant dated October 5th in which the plaintiff states that she has often fantasized about being gang-raped." is going to be a tough thing to face in court. The defence lawyer will shove a microscope up her ass and crucify her on the stand. Remember, court records are public. Locally, that could even hit the 6 o'clock news. Then where would she be? Raped and publicly humiliated.

Not a good arguement for just keeping records and calling the police every time she gets a phone call.

Food for thought...
-SD-


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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 12:57:27 PM   
wetrope


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Status: offline 		Definately abuse not even close to a bdsm activity-call the cops, good luck!!!

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 3:17:11 PM   
Sub03


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Status: offline 		Going to the police seems like a good idea but like SadistDave said they will only do something after the fact and trying to explain your lifestyle to the police probablly wouldnt be too fun or easy. I say dont EVER leave her by herself, get a big mean dog and maybe if you think it will make any difference at all tell the guy to back off but im thinking thats really not going to make a difference. Maybe saying you collared her will make a difference, probablly not but never know.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 5:20:28 PM   
Sensualips


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Status: offline 		In my experience some woman - vanilla, sub, slave or otherwise -- unintentionally fall into a predator-prey dynamic. While this appears to be an unfortunate situation, perhaps it can also be looked on as a learning experience as well.

You did not mention what else this woman has done besides screen her calls. At what point did she communicate to him this was not something she wanted to participate in under any circumstances? Or did she? Has she communicated to him in a very clear way that she does not want any contact with him? Has she called "red" and is the man obviously aware this is not part of the role play or fun and games? Has she informed him of what steps she would take if he did not immediately stop contacting her in any way? And what happened since that time? Did she attempt anything before turning to others for assistance/support? And does she seem to find the feedback/support she is receiving reinforcing? I am not suggesting she is "faking" for attention -- I am suggesting sometimes people subconsciously enjoy a rescue and therefore the dramatic nature of the crises is elevated.

Please understand I am not placing blame or responsibility on the woman in this specific case. But people who do not wish to be a victim can sometimes prevent it by not ACTING like a victim. (Not always!)

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 9:33:07 PM   
FLButtSlut


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Status: offline 		The stalking laws that are in place almost completely covering the entire nation do NOT require physical contact before taking action.

If this woman has said, "NO" in any way, whether it is "I don't think I would be interested", "That isn't for me", or even "I changed my mind", any pursuit is breaking the law.

The first step is making the "no" very clear. The second is clearly stating that legal action will be taken if contact does not stop. Then read up on the links previously provided to find out how you do it.

The activities of "sharing", "gang bangs" and such are not uncommon, and as long as they are consensual, it's "all good". I wonder how many of these women consent to playing a second time. If the hospitalization statement is true, I have difficulty believing that anyone would consent to activities that cause enough physical injury to require that kind of medical treatment.

Denise is quite right, the "never let them see you sweat" adage can be very helpful. Sometimes just the action of letting someone know you are prepared to take legal action can be enough to make someone stop.

As for the chat logs, the admissability would be quite limited from a legal standpoint.


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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/12/2005 9:58:27 PM   
QuietMaster4u


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Status: offline 		Well, lets see what I can resolve here.

1) intention of the post was to inform the community, that we have 3 potentially bad seeds among us. That are active either as an isolated group. Or acting as individuals in their local communities, to lure novices into their "possession" (for lack of a better term).

2) both local police (although they have no jurisdiction where she lives) and county sheriff's have been notified. Have urged her to file a restraining order against him, based upon what we know of him.

3) she is receiving calls from a blocked number four to six times a day. I was with her when 1 call came in today. My advice to her was to ignore them and let them leave messages. They don't.

4) I am equally well versed in law enforcement procedures. I know the police can not act until this person actually makes a physical move against her or her family.

5) he has been informed that she is not interested, both by myself and by her. This has not stopped #3 above.

Folks, I hate going after people just because we "think" they are a certain way. Or they don't fit into our ideals about how people should act in the lifestyle. We are involved in this for various reason, but probably the key one that we all share is that we are very open minded about various issues. Yes, we all don't follow the same guidelines. We all don't use the same tools or safewords or sane and consensual reasoning behind our encounters. But we all have a natural instinct to know when, someone is potentially dangerous.

It takes a lot for someone to scare me... This individual, scares me.

So we do nothing here. Say nothing. Keep our mouths shut and hope this goes away. And it would... But this person would still be out there, doing what he is doing because no one stood up. So next time, they take another novice. Time after that, another novice. How many times, before they get to a novice you know. Or worse yet, their numbers grow. Today, it's just a small corner of Oregon.

I'll leave you with this last thought.
My ex(vanilla) wife, met a guy online (before we were married). She didn't go out on a date with him, because of a feeling she had about him. Just through talking to him online. Something he said most likely, or the way he said it. Regardless, she said nothing, did nothing.
A month later, her friend told her about this wonderful guy she met online and how they were planning to meet. The description sounded vaguely familiar to her, but couldn't place it. Two days later, after the meeting. She called her friend, to find out how it went. The friends parents told my ex she had been beaten, raped, and left for dead. She was in the hospital recovering from her encounter.
She found out later, that it had been the same guy she had talked to online...
Should note, when he got convicted. He was wanted in several other states for similiar offenses, but nobody came forward. So he was never charged with those previous attacks

< Message edited by QuietMaster4u -- 10/12/2005 10:12:17 PM >

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/13/2005 5:54:35 AM   
Quivver


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Status: offline 		Agreed, that natural instinct, the 6th sence or what ever is a good tool.
Problem with it is it's not always apparent on a first meeting, sometimes
even the second or third. And yes your right, eventually our Gut moves
us out of the way leaving room for the next who might also move away.
It seems what your saying is you want to do something, you want this
person off the streets. But how? Has this girl filed the restraining
order? Have any of the others spoken with eachother? There is always
strength in numbers, can you get them talking?

Q





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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/13/2005 6:15:39 AM   
candigirlll


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Status: offline 		ya know there are so many girls i see online tho.. that tell these men they are pain sluts and that they have rape fantasys.. and how they like really rough play.. and when it comes down to it... they were just trying to impresss and have never really done any kinda of hard play... i am a painslut.. and the cab comment made me giggle... i have had Sadist make comments kinda like that to me... the real deal is.. that girls should say what they mean... and mean what they say.... i am not saying this is the case here... but in many cases... it is...

makayla
quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
-Send him postcards at his work welcoming him to the Nazi Party or the North American Man Boy Love Association. Mailing postcards will work really well if your close enough to the state line to mail them from out of state. If you're not, enlist the aid of a confederate from out of state. The farther, the better.
-Once a week, invite a pastor from a different church to come talk to him.
-Drive by his home at night and seed his lawn with poison ivy. If it's a really nice neighborhood, use dandelion seeds.
-Put a note on his car that says "BOOM!" (Use every precaution that you leave no prints and are not seen doing this as it is highly illegal)
-Make up flyers that say "Hi! My name is _____, and my doctor has told me I have to lose a lot of weight FAST! I'll walk your dog anytime of the day or night for FREE!" Leave his phone number on the last line in big print. Take them to a mall and leave one on every car window in the parking lot.

If you play your cards right, his life will become a living Hell, and he won't have time to stalk anyone... but if all else fails, let me share some wisdom my father gave me.

Friends will help you move. Good friends will help you move a body.
-SD-

Well unfortunately all of those things would seriously weaken her case and possible get HER into trouble herself (I know you gave her good ways to avoid being caught but that doesn't make it right herself) AND it simply puts more power and influence over this guy.

We don't yet have any proof that he's done anything than be creepy and stupid (heck WE don't have anything, only the submissive got the rose & threat). And let's face it, the world of a sadist seen through the eyes of a novice submissive is not necessarily the best way to see things.

I think notifying him to end it, keeping records and notifying police if anything else happens is smart and keeps things from becoming a larger mess than it already is. If she wants to be more protective, some practical advice is good.



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