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popeye1250 -> RE: Am I ruined? In serious need of advice. (4/25/2008 10:01:27 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Real_Trouble
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ORIGINAL: Real_Trouble
Some blunt advice:
A college degree in anything is better than no college degree.
Whatever decision you make, dropping out and never getting one is the wrong choice. You need to gather more information before you can make an intelligent decision. Namely:
1 - What other options do you have at the current school?
2 - What does your advisor really think?
3 - What other schools would be options and how long would that take?
I would also like to state, for the record, that you do come across as somewhat negative in these posts; statements like "I'm sure she won't have anything positive to say..." and "Does that mean I'm ruined, that I made straight A's 3 semesters in a row for nothing?" don't paint you in a positive light. This is not to say you actually are that way (you may be, you may not be, how the hell do I know?), just that the impression you leave, intentional or not, is that.
But bottom line, whatever you do, definitely get a degree somewhere and somehow.
Maybe that used to be true but not anymore.
With this global economy and outsourcing a college degree is no garauntee of success.
Unless you're going to specialise in Nursing, any type of Medicine, Engineering, Accounting and other fields you're wasting your time getting a degree in general studies like sociology, psychology, political science, or a lot of other things.
If you get a degree in French you will be living at home with your parents for a very long time!
The people who make the real money are people who own their own businesses, are in sales, (you can be a stockbroker if you pass the series 6 and 7 exams no "degree" neccessary)
or have unusual jobs which involve a lot of travel.
As I've said before in here I can't count the number of waitresses and waiters who've waited on my with some type of "degree" and I ask them!
The number one answer, "Psychology."
It's the law of supply and demand.
The way things are today many waiters and waitresses make more money than people with college degrees.
And the days of General Motors and other corporations having recruiters on college campuses looking to hire ten thousand people every year are gone!
And look at all the IT people who are out of work!
Sorry, but that "you need a degree" stuff is simply no longer true.
It's propaganda put out by the "Degree Factories" that colleges and universities have become.
It worked pretty good 30 years ago but we didn't have a "global economy" then did we.
This doesn't make any sense to me. Look at the objective data:
People with college degrees earn more than people without college degrees, on average. Yes, there are waiters and waitresses with college degrees; but if people like that are going to be waiting tables with those degrees, that tells me two things:
1) You are screwed without one, because you are now waiting tables at best.
2) They probably were not the good students in the class.
I know plenty of very stupid people who have college degrees. However, and this is speaking as the person in charge of hiring and firing for my team at work, you're not even getting an interview or your foot in the door without a college degree. You need to have it to even play the game.
In my case, I can tell you that I had eight different job offers to take my pick from when I graduated from college. I certainly agree with the advice that you should major in something that will get you a job, and that a degree is not going to do all the work for you; however, at no point are you going to be better off without one than with one.
"It's hard even with a degree" is not an argument to fail to get a degree!
Edit - Also, the "many waiters and waitresses who make more than people with a college degree" bit is flat out false; look at the averages and wage distributions for college graduates vs. non-college graduates. This just does not hold up to scrutiny.
RT, I don't put a lot of trust in our government's "figures."
Do they count the people in their 40's working at a Mc Donalds?
And look at all the paper pusher's jobs in govt. that "require" a degree. What earth shaking decisions are those people going to be making?
The problem is those are secretarial jobs and should be paying $40-$50k not the $80 k that they do now because they have "titles."
We don't need people with degrees doing secretarial jobs for $80k in govt. That's called "feathering your nest."
If someone is going to spend $100k and four years getting a "degree" in sociology don't you really think they'd have been better off investing that money in a business?
I worked for a large Insurance co. During my interview all the lady interviewing me wanted to talk about was what I did while in the U.S. Coast Guard.
I told her; "Oh, I have a B.S. in Bus. Admin too."
Her reply, "that's nice."
The degree didn't get me the job, being in the U.S. Coast Guard did!
Also, the two biggest producing salesmen there, neither one had a degree but years of sales experience and training. And they made a lot of money, well into the $200's and this was in the mid 80's.
Also, a lot of companies promote from within. College degree or no you can't walk into companies like that and expect to by-pass people for a promotion just because they don't have a degree and you do.
And then there's "The Boss's son or daughter!"
They *never* need degrees do they?
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