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Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 3:20:09 PM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		Rev Al Sharpton lead a march through Harlem this weekend and vows to "close the city down" in protest of the aquittal of 3 NYC police detectives in the 50-round barrage that killed a groom and two friends on his wedding day.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 3:58:52 PM   
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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 3:59:42 PM   
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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:01:19 PM   
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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:05:15 PM   
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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:05:27 PM   
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Sharpton is an idiot.


Pretty much says it all.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was a time in history when the above strategy was appropriate. When the majority of people needed to change the way they thought about segregation. The majority shared the responsibility for that oppression.

This is not the case today… this is not about racism… two of the three officers were black. Most white…black…red and yellow know that the actions of the officers were tragically wrong, grossly excessive, and  negligent.  They also know that justice was not served.

BUT

When you” close the city down” especially one as large as New York… people will die. Blocking roads can stop emergency vehicles as an example.

I can see protest against city offices and the police department…but I can’t see putting people’s lives in danger for Al Sharpton’s political gain.

If this happens there will be a backlash from the average citizen that for now agrees with the family of the man killed.

What Sharpton should be doing is providing a good lawyer for the family and demanding the government look into prosecuting the civil rights violation. Then soothing racial tensions instead of inciting them.


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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:36:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		There does seem to be a pattern developing...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E6DA133DF93AA25751C0A9629C8B63

"Decision Not to Indict Officer May Seem Surprising, but Follows Pattern "

February 19, 2004

When a Brooklyn grand jury on Tuesday declined to indict a police officer who testified that he accidentally shot and killed an unarmed 19-year-old on a housing project rooftop last month, it was following a pattern in such cases set not just in New York City, but around the nation, according to lawyers, academics and experts on police shootings



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/aroundthenation/nypd/
"Amadou Diallo Case"

In February 1999, four New York City policemen searching for a rape suspect knocked on Amadou Diallo's door to question him. When he came to the door he reached inside his jacket, at which point the officers shot at him 41 times, hitting him with 19 bullets. The object Diallo was reaching for turned out to be his wallet.

The police were acquitted.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/03/25/national/main176270.shtml
No Trial For Dorismond Shooter

July 27, 2000

A New York grand jury declined to indict the police officer who shot unarmed Patrick Dorismond, the Manhattan district attorney announced Thursday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/national/main3493746.shtml

NYC Cops Kill Teen Holding Brush-Not Gun

NEW YORK, Nov. 13, 2007

In the 911 call, while the emergency operator took down the address in Bedford-Stuyvesant, a male voice was overheard in the background, saying, “I got a gun and I'm gonna shoot you,” and, “I've got a (expletive) gun!”

When a 911 operator called back about five minutes later to ask Owens for a description of her son and the weapon, she told the operator, “He does not have a firearm,” a second transcript shows.

Coppin's family denounced the police department for quickly concluding that the officers were justified in their response.

“Nobody but Houdini himself could have decided that in 24 hours,” family attorney Paul Wooten said.



I'm sorry, but if these cases all were white people getting shot they would be Hell to pay. I just googled "NYC cops kill unarmed man"...I didn't add ethnicity to the "google." It just so happens, I'm sure by total coincidence that every person "justifiably killed" by the police happened to be black.


Shame on Al Sharpton?...Yeah, the guy is kind of a turd...What about the NYC police? What about the whole process? No culpability whatsoever....How many times do you have to shoot an unarmed man?

Mind boggling shit. If the situation were reversed and the poh-lice were knocking off whitey and nothing was ever done...What do you think would happen? I'm guessing nothing would move till the situation was resolved.

We should be outraged....Cities across this Country regularly pay millions out in settlements and law suits yet rarely is anything done to these "outlaw cops." Shit, Are cities are going broke but "we" allow this type of messed up shit to continue unchecked.

Remember how pissed off ya all were when the OJ Simpson verdict was handed down? I can only imagine that many Black Americans feel that same severe dissappoinment for a corrupted system...Why not close down a city that seemingly routinely guns down your fellow unarmed Americans?

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:44:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		domiguy... it does happen to white people.... and when it does where is big Al then?

A white guy was shot and killed in Bridgeton here in Missouri for pulling a cell phone... The cops shot many rounds two of which ended up in my bosses kitchen. Guess what... Al Sharpton did not come to town to shut it down...why not?... maybe because the guy was white.

A cop blocked a kids car he was chasing  him for speeding in a drive way... then when the kid put it in park and the car jerked... he pulled his gun and killed him… he was white… where was Al sharpton?

Police have problems... we all know that. The police in New York need to change... but not by killing innocents.

And not by turning it into a black white issue.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:45:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a big fan of Sharpton, he's a grandstander and too often, a big mouth, but this case doesn't smell very good. How many shots were fired? Quite a few....
 
Now, two of the three officers are black, so, if the finger of racism is going to be pointed, it'll have to aim at the system, and/or the Judge.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:48:46 PM   
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domiguy... it does happen to white people.... and when it does where is big Al then?

A white guy was shot and killed in Bridgeton here in Missouri for pulling a cell phone... The cops shot many rounds two of which ended up in my bosses kitchen. Guess what... nothing happened

Police have problems... we all know that. The police in New York need to change... but not by killing innocents.

And not by turning it into a black white issue.

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How often? Rarely if ever...That is a fact. Because something happens once doesn't mean that things are equal.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		domi... read me edit to my post above... it happens all the time... it just does not get the same press.


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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 4:54:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a tough call... Cops respond to cases involving Blacks different than Whites. Obviously there is a rush to judgment...Is it justified? Maybe it is maybe it's not. It sucks to think that because the police feel that all blacks are gun toting assholes that folks like Amadou Diallo are executed.

So whether it is racially inclined or enforced through personal experience...All I know is that it sucks...

So New Yorkers can expect millions of dollars to be paid out to the victim's families in this case...Who cares? Business as usual. The city is going broke and since it doesn't concern white folks aside from paying higher taxes nothing will ever change.





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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 5:00:14 PM   
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domiguy... it does happen to white people.... and when it does where is big Al then?

A white guy was shot and killed in Bridgeton here in Missouri for pulling a cell phone... The cops shot many rounds two of which ended up in my bosses kitchen. Guess what... Al Sharpton did not come to town to shut it down...why not?... maybe because the guy was white.

A cop blocked a kids car he was chasing  him for speeding in a drive way... then when the kid put it in park and the car jerked... he pulled his gun and killed him… he was white… where was Al sharpton?

Police have problems... we all know that. The police in New York need to change... but not by killing innocents.

And not by turning it into a black white issue.

Butch



Who are these people? There is a huge difference between alluding the police or being pulled over for speeding and shot fifty times outside of your door...Or a club and unarmed.

I googled "NYC cops shoot unarmed man" You mean to tell me that if NYC cops shoot a white dude it doesn't make the paper in NYC? Ridiculous notion...

Butch, if I went and googled city by city..."cops shoot unarmed man" what do you think that the percentage of those killed would be white? I'm guessing 1-2% if that...It rarely happens.

Why would AL give a fuck about white people?....What you should be asking yourself is why don't white folks seem to care when black folks are getting gun downed?....Fuck, it's a two way street. Why do we expect a black man to be the defender of whites? How do we reciprocate?


There are a ton of problems on both sides of the coin....But these guys are unarmed and shot fifty fucking times...WTF?


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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 5:02:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		domiguy....I don't know about New York... but around my town people ...all types of people....can't believe they got off the hook. They look at a department protecting their own beyond justice...but not as a black white issue... But as you say it is most likely perceived by minorities in a different way.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 5:19:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair, I think the case itself and Sharpton's involvement are two different issues entirely.

The problem we face here is a criminal standard of conduct issue, as well; the "beyond a reasonable doubt" statue is quite difficult to prove if we interpret it consistently (which we do not, but we should).

I cannot say I would be displeased if these men were found criminally innocent but guilty in a civil court, with a lower standard of proof, as I'm relatively sure they fucked up big time, but not over 98% certain, from what I've read.


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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 5:21:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Domiguy; two of the cops that were involved were black, one was middle eastern, one was biracial (hispanic/Hatian), and one was white.  I don't think race had anything to do with this.  If you read about the incident, Sean Bell and his buddies left a strip club after reportedly threatening to get a gun. Of course his pals dispute this, but of course they would.  Bell and his buddies had all been arrested previously on firearms possession charges, and Bell had been arrested twice for dealing drugs.  These guys were not angels, and I believe that they probably were running their mouths as they left the club.  I believe they said "Yo, get my gun."  which was what the undercover officer heard them say.  The undercover officer ordered Bell to stop, but he gunned his car instead and crashed into a police van.  Well a car is a deadly weapon, and the police are justified in protecting themselves.  BAC tests showed that Bell was beyond the legal limit. 

Of course, Sharpton has witnesses that dispute all of this.  But Sharpton made cash payments to all of these people.  Sharpton is a professional race baiter.  He makes a living off of the race issue, so it's in his best interest to find racism when there often is none.  Yeah, blacks are more often than not the people you hear about in these types of incidents.  But that's because blacks tend to live in high crime areas.  In the end, this is a tragedy.  But Bell and his buddies are ultimately the cause of it.  When you run your mouth and make threats about guns, you are asking for trouble.  Well trouble found them that night. 

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 6:15:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sharpton  will recall that one now needs to be in a "free speech zone"  in order to protest.

Organizing a riot, organizing to "shut down" a major city, probably isnt legal.  Dont forget we now have secret laws.


Police science is a tough line of work. The police are not paid well for what they do. We need them, as if all police stopped "serving"  only the mightiest would exist.

There is a ton of violence in the world- it could be benificial to adress that.

The court process ruled "not guilty"  not guilty does not mean "innocent", it means the legal requirements have not been met.

Sharpton makes the cause WORSE by involving himself.  It reduces a serious issue into a pep rally.

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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 6:30:10 PM   
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RE: Sharpton vows to close down NYC - 4/27/2008 6:38:34 PM   
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They had the same problems in Boston, they had to send most of the Affirmative Action cops to Northeastern U. for *remedial* reading and writing courses because,...they couldn't read and write very well.
The Boston Herald's Howie Carr brought that o the light of day after he was urged to "hush up" the story.
Also, a lot of those "AA" cops are now in prison for killing people, pushing drugs and other crimes. And the Firefighters who were "appointed" under that program are no better. Last year one of them was killed in a fire and they found crack cocaine in his system.
A year or so ago one killed his girlfriend in Fla then took a leap from her 9th floor balcony.
"Can't read and write and have criminal tendencies?"
"We can sweep that under the carpet, sign right here, we'll make you a cop!"
They've been caught drunk and high *on duty*.
That's Kennedy Country for you!
And the worst part about that whole mess was that they bypassed *Military Veterans* who applied for those jobs, what a fucking insult to the guys many of whom were just getting back from Vietnam and could read or write!
As God is my witness, if there is *ever* anything I can do to damage the State of Massachusetts I will not hesitate!

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