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Level -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 5:23:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: Yes, if they ever show proof that he echoes Wright's sentiments. I'd settle for some proof that Wright echoes many of the sentiments being attributed to him... Having learned first hand what he actually said, it looks more and more likely that the selective outrage is pure fabrication, just like the pictures of Obama in 'terrorist garb', or being sworn in on a Koran, etc. Depends on which sentiments we're talking about. [8\|]

Level -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 5:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cjan quote: That is a good thing. If there are people, black or white, who hold such a bitter, distorted view of this country, it's reassuring that the most congenial political figure they can find is one who radiates—in fact, embodies—our national faith in freedom and progress.<< Stephen Chapman cloudboy, if you listen/watch Wright's speech about "goddamn America", it will be clear to you, and to anyone who also does so, that, taken in the context of his sermon, Wright does not single out America or any country/government. He speaks of the changeability and, therefore, unreliability of all government, as opposed to , what he considers to be, the unchangeability of god. He sites examples throughout history. The Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, Third Reich ( a thousand years, remember ?). He has a point, imo. When will people learn that agendas are advanced by taking comments out of context and quoting them ? Probably never in a society where people form their opinions on sound bites and are so easily manipulated. Leaving off the "chickens have come home to roost" and "God damn America" statements...... this still leaves his belief that the government invented AIDS, and his praise of Louis Farrakhan. I certainly do NOT believe that Obama holds those views, but it was legitimate to ask.

Level -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 5:31:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Did you read the article LotusSong linked to? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24371827 I wouldn't be surprised if we see an all out war develop between Obama and Wright. Wright is between Obama nad the presidency, and now Wright's feeling all butt hurt about it. Yes. I don't think we'll see much more from Obama on this, that'll only screw him up further. He did what was best considering how things have played out, he very specifically addressed Wright and the comments today. Wright has made his priorities very clear; his commitment to his faith, and how he interpets what he's called upon to do to further it.

Sanity -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 5:39:05 PM)
Alumbrado's attempted racism hijack aside, black or white, be it Archie Bunker or whoever, anyone who attended a questionable congregation for decades then, late in a run for president, in essence denounces that congregation... doesn't look sincere. I would have more respect for him if he stood by Wright, like Domiguy and Alumbrado and so many others do. quote: ORIGINAL: Level Leaving off the "chickens have come home to roost" and "God damn America" statements...... this still leaves his belief that the government invented AIDS, and his praise of Louis Farrakhan. I certainly do NOT believe that Obama holds those views, but it was legitimate to ask.

popeye1250 -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 5:44:08 PM)
And Obama has more trouble! The Gov. of North Carolina endorsed Hillary!

cjan -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:04:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: cjan quote: That is a good thing. If there are people, black or white, who hold such a bitter, distorted view of this country, it's reassuring that the most congenial political figure they can find is one who radiates—in fact, embodies—our national faith in freedom and progress.<< Stephen Chapman cloudboy, if you listen/watch Wright's speech about "goddamn America", it will be clear to you, and to anyone who also does so, that, taken in the context of his sermon, Wright does not single out America or any country/government. He speaks of the changeability and, therefore, unreliability of all government, as opposed to , what he considers to be, the unchangeability of god. He sites examples throughout history. The Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, Third Reich ( a thousand years, remember ?). He has a point, imo. When will people learn that agendas are advanced by taking comments out of context and quoting them ? Probably never in a society where people form their opinions on sound bites and are so easily manipulated. Leaving off the "chickens have come home to roost" and "God damn America" statements...... this still leaves his belief that the government invented AIDS, and his praise of Louis Farrakhan. I certainly do NOT believe that Obama holds those views, but it was legitimate to ask. I know I'll get flamed/stoned for this, but, in a very real sense, America's chickens did come home to roost on 9/11. We are fortunate that that has not so tangibly been the case in so many other foreign blunders and aventures. Shah of Iran ( still paying), Norriega, Chile, Argentina, Afghanistan and the Taliban who we armed and trained,Pakistan,El Salvador, South Africa under apatheid, Saddam Hussein ( let's not forget who put him in power, armed and financed him), Saudi Arabia, etc., etc.. As for his views on AIDS , I haven't seen the speech, unedited, so, I can't say. LouisFarrakhan has some good ideas and, imo, often takes an extreme position as a reaction to extreme positions to make a point. Not unheard of in U. S. politics, for example, Barry Goldwater's famous line that "extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice...moderation in pursuit of a good cuppa joe, no virtue ( or something to that effect).

Level -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:04:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity anyone who attended a questionable congregation for decades then, late in a run for president, in essence denounces that congregation... doesn't look sincere. That's one question still hanging over his head.

Alumbrado -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:08:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: Yes, if they ever show proof that he echoes Wright's sentiments. I'd settle for some proof that Wright echoes many of the sentiments being attributed to him... Having learned first hand what he actually said, it looks more and more likely that the selective outrage is pure fabrication, just like the pictures of Obama in 'terrorist garb', or being sworn in on a Koran, etc. Depends on which sentiments we're talking about. [8\|] OK, you say below that Wright claims the government invented AIDs. quote: this still leaves his belief that the government invented AIDS, In fact, what Wright said when asked if he thought it were possible, was: "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything." Would you care to prove him wrong on what he actually said? The comment was also made here that his Detroit speech rested on 1970s superstitions, when in point of fact it cited Dr. Janet Hale's 1994 Pulitzer nominated work 'Unbank the Fire' among others, so lets just chalk that up as another strawman distortion... since no one here has answered the challenge to refute the actual researchers he did cite. And of course don't forget the famous 'Chickens coming home to roost' speech that Wright gave attacking 9/11 victims.... except that of course that was another distortion.... “I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.” http://intheknowchicago.com/Issue1Link1.htm Is only a bad statement when the black firebrands repeat it, but not when the white ambassador uses it? And let's go into the issue of his lack of patriotism.... Here is what he actually said: "I feel that those citizens who say that have never heard my sermons, nor do they know me. They are unfair accusations taken from sound bites and that which is looped over and over on certain channels. I served six years in the military. Does that make me patriotic? How many years did Cheney serve?" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/obama_wright_excerpts_3 (BTW, here is what he meant by 'served')... In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland. During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.) OK, so what did Cheney do? And to paraphrase Jim Dickinson, what have those calling Wright unpatriotic done? Dodged sniper fire in Bosnia? While we are at it, let's look into allegations as to his lack of credentials, ignorance, stupidity, and lack of education etc.... After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio. http://www.answers.com/Jeremiah%20Wright So from the top... We are expected to swallow uncritically reports that Obama is a Muslim terrorist, who demands to be sworn in on a Koran, and wears Al Quaeda garb, and is a corrupt product of Chicago's political machine.... all based on fabrications. We are also fed the line that Wright is ignorant, and an unpatriotic coward et al., also based on fabrications. Maybe you aren't seeing a pattern here, but I'm seeing the all too familiar one.

Alumbrado -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:18:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Alumbrado's attempted racism hijack aside, black or white, be it Archie Bunker or whoever, anyone who attended a questionable congregation for decades then, late in a run for president, in essence denounces that congregation... doesn't look sincere. I would have more respect for him if he stood by Wright, like Domiguy and Alumbrado and so many others do. As pointed out, I'm standing by facts, which I've cited and linked... you have none... if Wright benefits from the truth being put forth in the face of fabrications, why should it bother me? And more interestingly, why does it bother you enough to play the race baiter's card as you just did?

domiguy -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:24:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Alumbrado's attempted racism hijack aside, black or white, be it Archie Bunker or whoever, anyone who attended a questionable congregation for decades then, late in a run for president, in essence denounces that congregation... doesn't look sincere. I would have more respect for him if he stood by Wright, like Domiguy and Alumbrado and so many others do. quote: ORIGINAL: Level Leaving off the "chickens have come home to roost" and "God damn America" statements...... this still leaves his belief that the government invented AIDS, and his praise of Louis Farrakhan. I certainly do NOT believe that Obama holds those views, but it was legitimate to ask. Sanity, it is amazing....It goes to show the mark of the man...This is conceivably a historic moment in time....I'm not asking the man (Wright) to bend over and kiss ass...But it is something to watch the guy in action. Is there no one advising him on how he might be perceived outside of his congregation? It's an amazing thing to watch....I think he has forotten the fact, that for the most part, the only reason that anyone has heard of Jeremiah Wright outside of the Southside of Chicago is due to a guy named Barak Obama. It's his fifteen minutes and he obviously could give a shit about who he hurts...It's a lack of understanding of what time it is...Does he not realize that there are some voters that are just looking for an excuse to vote for McCain? Or does he feel he's been snubbed so he doesn't care? I don't think that it will be the deciding issue....But it certainly doesn't help. Hillary is unelectable...I think McCain is a decent man, better, but more of the same and will probably die within the week....I just thought Barak was refreshing....It sucks watching this side show...Wright has a ton of charisma....I just wish that he would utilize it to bring some harmony and peace to the process in lieu of being so divisive. It's a fucking shame.

kdsub -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:27:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado I'd settle for some proof that Wright echoes many of the sentiments being attributed to him... Having learned first hand what he actually said, it looks more and more likely that the selective outrage is pure fabrication, just like the pictures of Obama in 'terrorist garb', or being sworn in on a Koran, etc. I am all for Obama...but not Wright... he has said "The United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," He also said right after 911 "America's chickens are coming home to roost" after the U.S. dropped atomic bombs on Japan and "supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans": There may be a bit of truth... at least it could be argued so...but that was not the time to say it. There is a lot more but the above is enough for me...what else do you need? Butch I just saw domiguy's post above... he said it much better then me.

Alumbrado -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:32:02 PM)
quote: ...what else do you need? For people to stop using fabricated quotes... I've linked the actual words above. ETA:Seriously, this is getting embarrassing... repeating propaganda hoaxes to attack Wright is not exactly the mark of either being right, or an impressive sense of integrity....is reality too much for people to work with? Doesn't anyone dare to address what he actually said about Tuskegee, Hale, Peck etc, instead of what the media twisted into bogus soundbites?

Level -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 6:57:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado In fact, what Wright said when asked if he thought it were possible, was: "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything." Would you care to prove him wrong on what he actually said? No one can "prove" where AIDS came from; that leaves one with having to make a reasoned assumption on a number of things, one of which is, "what does Rev. Wright believe?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RPAtWF9eo4 Listen about 3 minutes in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY28l6HoKww&feature=related quote: The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color Now, if someone can provide more context, I'd be happy to listen to it. quote: And of course don't forget the famous 'Chickens coming home to roost' speeech that Wright gave attacking 9/11 victims.... except that of course that was another distortion.... “I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.” http://intheknowchicago.com/Issue1Link1.htm Is only a bad statement when the black firebrands repeat it, but not when the white ambassador uses it? If someone McCain or Clinton had been close with for 20 years said that, you don't think the shit would hit the fan? Peck said it first, doesn't erase Wright saying it, or believing it. quote: And let's go into the issue of his lack of patriotism.... A matter never doubted by me, if not others. quote: While we are at it, let's look into allegations as to his lack of credentials, ignorance, stupidity, and lack of education etc.... Nor do I doubt his intelligence. quote: We are expected to swallow uncritically reports that Obama is a Muslim terrorist, who demands to be sworn in on a Koran, and wears Al Quaeda garb, and is a corrupt product of Chicago's political machine.... all based on fabrications. We are also fed the line that Wright is ignorant, and an unpatriotic coward et al., also based on fabrications. Maybe you aren't seeing a pattern here, but I'm seeing the all too familiar one. Nothing is that easy, Alumbrado. Sure there are bigots and fools that will turn and twist anything they can get thier hands on to hurt Wright and Obama. But I surely do see a difference between the nonsense attributed to Obama, and what's going on with Wright.

Level -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:03:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cjan LouisFarrakhan has some good ideas and, imo, often takes an extreme position as a reaction to extreme positions to make a point. Not unheard of in U. S. politics, for example, Barry Goldwater's famous line that "extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice...moderation in pursuit of a good cuppa joe, no virtue ( or something to that effect). He's also a bigot, as far as I can tell.

Alumbrado -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:07:34 PM)
quote: Sure there are bigots and fools that will turn and twist anything they can get thier hands on to hurt Wright and Obama. But I surely do see a difference between the nonsense attributed to Obama, and what's going on with Wright. And I see the same old, same old. I don't think you are wrong for your pespective, but I'm not buying the hype, as it were.

Sanity -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:11:23 PM)
Sometimes you can be so right on domiguy. Thank you for that, those are some good words. I especially appreciate the healing sentiment. That echos my thoughts exactly, I hate to see so much gasoline thrown on that fire. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Sanity, it is amazing....It goes to show the mark of the man...This is conceivably a historic moment in time....I'm not asking the man (Wright) to bend over and kiss ass...But it is something to watch the guy in action. Is there no one advising him on how he might be perceived outside of his congregation? It's an amazing thing to watch....I think he has forotten the fact, that for the most part, the only reason that anyone has heard of Jeremiah Wright outside of the Southside of Chicago is due to a guy named Barak Obama. It's his fifteen minutes and he obviously could give a shit about who he hurts...It's a lack of understanding of what time it is...Does he not realize that there are some voters that are just looking for an excuse to vote for McCain? Or does he feel he's been snubbed so he doesn't care? I don't think that it will be the deciding issue....But it certainly doesn't help. Hillary is unelectable...I think McCain is a decent man, better, but more of the same and will probably die within the week....I just thought Barak was refreshing....It sucks watching this side show...Wright has a ton of charisma....I just wish that he would utilize it to bring some harmony and peace to the process in lieu of being so divisive. It's a fucking shame.

Alumbrado -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:14:32 PM)
And of course, who better to lecture a black leader on being divisive than a white poster faking being black...[8\|]

JOHNNIEBLACK -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:17:01 PM)
HISTORICALLY THE WAY AFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE BEEN TREATED IN THIS COUNTRY OUR GOVERNMENT IS CAPABLE OF ANYTHING...WHY DONT WHITES BLAST THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THE KKK, BECAUSE TO MANY WHITES SUPPORT THAT IDEOLOGY IS WHY INCLUDING OUR GOVERNMENT. I FIND IT STRANGE THAT WHEN A BLACK MAN LIKE WRIGHT SPEAKS OF THE EVILS AGAINST BLACKS, MANY WHITES GET ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE...MANY WHITES R STRANGE, IT'S LIKE THEY WANT BLACKS TO ACCEPT ALL THE CRAP THAT'S BEEN LAID ON THEM AND NOT EVEN SPEAK ON IT...BS.

kittinSol -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:19:45 PM)
Do you get off on biting people's ankles off?

Alumbrado -> RE: Wright, NAACP (4/29/2008 7:21:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Do you get off on biting people's ankles off? Is that your defense of the Tuskegee syphillis experiement, or did you have nothing useful to contribute, and couldn't let a chance to drop a little hate go by??

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