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Cloudboy, this has nothing to do with "Karl Rove Politics."
It has everything to do with a "minister" from Chicago who's a racist with a BIG FUCKIN MOUTH.
He was on the News today sticking his foot in it!
He's STILL at it!
And who's the ones bringing up "race" all the time?

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Where Alumbrado goes, the grass doesn't grow... ever. Again.

Seriously, dude... you go on about flames, but do you realise you're like the thread clearer extraordinaire?

I'm well aware of that...and it says a whole lot more about some of the regular posters than it does about me, that something as simple as linking to a factual reference kills a thread full of bogus posts. 

A good example would be someone's claim that his Navy buddy founded Telecheck ...except of course that the obituary for Telecheck's founder listed him as born in 1912. 
Ditto for the claim to have been a federal agent... blown out of the water when the other poster didn't even know the difference between civil service job classificatons, and pay grades. 
Or the Evil Jooz thread where I persisted in posting links proving the Holocaust deniers were full of it.

And you continue to applaud the flood of misinformation here on CM, actively attacking anyone who attempts to refute hatemongering gossip, and stick in personal attacks in an attempt to derail references to reality.

So I'll take your accusation that my linking to facts constitutes 'flames' exactly the way I take the whining of those who think it is OK to call me a pigf**k*r. or a motherf**k*r, while claiming I've 'abused' them by proving their ignorant assertions to be exactly what they are... unsupported by facts, and dependent on ignoring the truth.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I would say that Obama, being the furthest left in the US Senate, is very socialist in spite of any word game you might like to try to play.

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

Sooo Obama is friends with a racist, bigot, un-informed jerk-off.  How many people can say they have  affiliations with only open-minded forward-thinking progressive people? 

Welcome back, tulip

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Assuming that Obama is like Wright because he attended his church, is as smart as assuming all catholics are pedophiles, or McCain hates gays...he caught homo-phobia from Hagee...or Hilary gets bj's in the oval office.  That's the part that's skewed to me.  If i had to explain the beliefs of everyone i called friend, i'd be in deep shit.....  i hate that divicive tactics work so well in a divided country, but what can you expect?

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That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. Source: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59257 

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I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday. Obviously, whatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed. I don't think he showed much concern for me. More importantly, I don't think he showed much concern for what we're trying to do in this campaign. What became clear to me is that he was presenting a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for. And what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing.

Anybody who knows me ... knows that I am about trying to bridge gaps, and I see the commonality in all people.His comments were not only divisive and destructive, I believe they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate.

Source: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080430/NEWS15/804300383 

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"Newsweek" found that more than 40 percent of the voters formed a negative opinion of Obama after Wright's speech. The Obama campaign staff sent Susan Rice, its top representative, to television networks in order to respond. She said that Wright's address did not reflect the candidate's position. Apparently, the black pastor was not moved. It was not in his job description, he said, to debate the petty thoughts of politicians. Source:  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=979089&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1 

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How can the man we heard deliver that speech in July 2004 about what unites us—in which his strongest line was "in the blue states we worship an awesome God"—how could that Barack Obama have attended the church of that Rev. Jeremiah Wright for 20 years? And not just attended: He and his wife contributed more than $20,000 to the church. It just doesn't add up. It undercuts Obama's very appealing theme of bridging divisions in our society. Source: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/4/30/obama-is-throwing--wright-under-the-bus.html 

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The Washington Post, in an editorial, writes, "It seems to us that the whole sorry episode raises legitimate questions about his judgment. Given the long and close relationship between Mr. Obama and the Rev. Wright, voters will ask: How could Mr. Obama have been surprised by the Rev. Wright's views? How could he not have seen this coming? ... At a media availability at an airport Monday afternoon, he displayed none of the anger and sorrow that etched his face in North Carolina one day later." Source: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080430.htm 

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Robert Bauer, a lawyer for Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential campaign, is seen in his law firm office in Washington after filing a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on behalf of the Obama campaign Wednesday, April 30, 2008. The complaint accuses the pro-Clinton American Leadership Project of violating campaign finance laws by running ads against Obama. Source: http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/obama-tries-to-move-past-pastor-flap/20080429144709990001 

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 I'm just joking, by the way. I'll be putting asbestos undies on now! 

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

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 I'm just joking, by the way. I'll be putting asbestos undies on now! 

ummm...may i watch?  That HAS to be a sight...just the fact that you used the word "undies" made me hot ....

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

It seems  like you and Hippie would have better things to do than lie awake at night worrying that someone somewhere might be describing Barak Obama as a socialist, and how to attack that person if something so unthinkable might occur...

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Where I have a problem, is the media doesn't want to let it go at that.

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

i mean to say....errr...ummm and stuff....yeah
~eloquent slut

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March 19 - And one other thing I think we’ve got to remember: As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say, “That’s a terrible statement,” I grew up in a very segregated South, and I think that you have to cut some slack. And I’m going to be probably the only conservative in America who’s going to say something like this, but I’m just telling you: We’ve got to cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told, “You have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can’t sit out there with everyone else. There’s a separate waiting room in the doctor’s office. Here’s where you sit on the bus.” And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had a more, more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

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BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) - Former Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee says Barack Obama's former pastor seemingly wants the Illinois senator to lose his bid for the White House - to justify the pastor's own radical views on race.

Obama, a Democrat, has struggled in recent weeks to distance himself from repeated incendiary comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Huckabee said in Billings Wednesday that Wright "needs" Obama to lose. That would justify Wright's anger toward the U.S. government and its allegedly racist policies.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

It seems  like you and Hippie would have better things to do than lie awake at night worrying that someone somewhere might be describing Barak Obama as a socialist, and how to attack that person if something so unthinkable might occur...