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stella41b -> RE: Dying and Coming back~~ (4/30/2008 7:26:51 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Zensee
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
I can't recall who said it but "I'd rather live as if there was a God and find out that there isn't.. than to live as if there is no God and find out there is". For me.. this holds the same for an afterlife :)
For me it's the exact opposite in both cases. Seems lazy to rely on Big Daddy to keep me in line and the hereafter to justify squandering this life (or taking the lives of others to save their sould etc. etc....).
Applying the term "death" to any description of these traumatic experiences, prejudices us to believe that actual dying was involved - which is clearly not the case. Near death is completely inaccurate and sensational as a term. Where the relativly common experience of the tunnel of light and the waiting loved ones arises is fascinating but ultimately little more significant than the flashes of light you see when you hit your head really hard.
Z.
Oh right, and you're some sort of expert are you? How many times have you died?
Natural death, sudden death, clinical death, traumatic death (as in death from shock or serious injury), brain death, near death - this would suggest to me that death is a process and transition rather than a sudden event.
I take death to mean that the soul has departed the body and moved on, and doesn't return, but until doctors develop their spiritual powers and clairvoyant skills to the point where they can see that the soul has indeed departed someone's body and isn't going to return, then I'm afraid clinical death remains the legal definition of death. This means that they can go only on an absence of clinical signs of life - lack of heartbeat, lack of a pulse, lack of brain stem activity or EEG activity, lack of air going into or out of the lungs, but to me this is patently obvious that this isn't the entire process of death, but only part of it.
An NDE to me is evidence enough that a lack of the vital signs of life isn't necessarily the whole transitional process of death, but the start, the departure point, and that the whole process of death may not be completed and even be reversed.
This is only logical to me. Birth is also a process. This is also a process which may not be completed but also may be reversed. Stillborn for example to me is the same as an NDE.
I don't quite see therefore how an NDE can be compared with banging your head.
I believe in both the spiritual world and the afterlife. This comes after my own NDE and several out of the body experiences during a month long coma in 1997. I was heavily sedated and on a life support machine. Much of it was like a dream.
Some of it was down to the powerful hallucinogenic drugs I was being given. Being sent e-mails by dead political leaders from all through history via the monitors of other patients was quite fun. Watching Cyrillic letters forming from patterns in the ceiling and being able to understand and read the words was quite amazing too.
Six minutes..six minutes I was apparently clinically dead. I could later recall conversations between doctors held in different parts of the hospital. I 'visited' Glasgow and spent an evening with family which I was also able to accurately relate back to them in minute detail, despite the fact that at the time I was physically on a life support machine in a London hospital. I have predicted several major events in my own life, I have discovered my own potential for telepathy with other people, I still get deja vu.
However I did write here 'I believe'.. I do not know of an afterlife, only that we do have spirits. I can only relate what I perceived at the time, and that perception of reality, which may or may not be reality.
You stick to whatever you believe in Zensee, but please don't come on these boards and spout your claptrap about the experiences of other people who have gone through very grave experiences and almost died. You weren't there, you don't know. You have your beliefs just like others have their beliefs.
Try not to confuse opinion with fact.
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