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batshalom -> RE: Dying and Coming back~~ (5/2/2008 5:58:06 PM)
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ORIGINAL: batshalom
No one can prove or disprove the spirituality of any event.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
Depends on the event, does it not? There is such a thing as reproducibility. When two or more people have similar experiences they may be compared and hypotheses as to their significance may be formulated.
When two or more people have a similar experience, they can compare notes, they can even form their own hypotheses, but as such, they will remain hypotheses since they cannot be proven. Case studies, testimony, and personal experience proves nothing. Like I said - if you want to believe, then do so. Just don't tell me you can prove it until you run it with some control groups, reproduce it, let others test it, and have your findings published in a peer-reviewed journal.
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ORIGINAL: batshalom
One can prove and disprove the existence or absence of a purely scientific one.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
That also depends on the event. I am not much of a mathematician, but I have been told that they have whole hosts of theorems that may never be proven.
I'm not a mathemetician either so I don't know if that is true or not. In any case, it's a whole different argument.
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ORIGINAL: batshalom
All I am saying is that faith requires only faith while science requires proof.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
What do you mean by faith? I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you?
That seems a little beneath you.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
Generally people are too dumb to accept any revelation unless they can stick their fingers in the wounds; isn't that precisely what the - presumably very myopic - Thomas did when he was confronted with the resurrected Jesus? So, yes, spiritually aware people and - another class entirely - religious people very much insist on proof.
First, you are talking about a person who may be entirely fictional. Second, I never said that people of faith cannot be scientists - some are. They simply let science and faith be separate entities, as they are intended to be. You don't have to let science interfere with your faith, if you want to have faith and can reconcile your faith as a solely belief-based entity. It doesn't matter that science can't prove the existence of god, of heaven, of hell, or of anything else anyone else chooses to believe. That's why faith and science are two different words.
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ORIGINAL: batshalom
Faith, for me, is the more difficult of the two, knowing what I know about science.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
Again, I have no idea what you mean by the concept faith. Do you?
Yeah, I have a pretty good idea. And Rule, I gotta tell ya, the game of semantics bores the shit out of me so I'm not going to play it with you.
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