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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 4/30/2008 8:39:00 AM

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Catharsis in Play - Kel
The term catharsis also refers to the emptying of the bowels, how appropriate. Quite literally, it's getting rid of the shit. In this workshop, we'll talk about catharsis--what is it and why use BDSM to get it? We'll talk about the religious and psychological history of catharsis. We'll explore intention and permission, along with rituals and methods to get to catharsis, from start to finish, covering setting up the scene to the aftercare that is crucial to the spirit of everyone involved.
http://www.free-spirit.org/Beltane/Classes.html

heading to this event - oh...now.

last year a friend did a wonderful workshop on ordeal work. i attended after my first type of that "ritual scene" with Master, and before our next.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 4/30/2008 9:15:17 AM

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It's a little unfair to expect someone else to be your unpaid therapist IMO. Now doing this inside of therapy with that invaluable adviser to help you both set up the situation so that it has the best possible chance of a positive outcome, and with your next few therapy sessions devoted to deconstruct the situation and examine it afterwards is something else.

But the risks of it going badly are great when neither of you know what you're doing. Plus it can leave the top feeling as though he is an abusive bastard if it goes wrong.

Honestlly kids, psychodrama is dangerous.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 4/30/2008 5:43:56 PM

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I'm not sure if you're replying to me specifically or doing a fast reply.

When I did the scene that I described in my previous post, it wasn't planned and I had no intention of doing anything but straight SM without any spiritual bent. It never dawned on me at the time that there could be a spiritual component to SM except maybe for the fact that I knew that many cultures incorporate ritual pain and suffering into their spiritual practices. I wasn't on a vision quest but the experience itself was unforgettable. I've always wondered about it.

On the other hand, I've had similar experiences doing stuff totally unrelated to SM and without really expecting it. Once, as a kid, I was rock climbing...another time, a couple years ago, I was reading Kierkegard...another time I was staring out my back window. So, maybe I'm just the sort of person who has the kind of mind that likes to do wacky shit every now and again. I dunno. Ya ever see the movie The Tin Man? The part where he finds god in the salad bar? Maybe its like that. Shit happens, and sometimes spiritual shit happens. Of course, and I think you'll agree, if I go up to the proverbial salad bar expecting a spiritual awakening, I'll most likely be dissapointed but there's no harm in treasuring the awakenings that do occur.

And I don't know that that the subject itself is totally inappropriate for this message board. Its not exactly a generalized message board, and alot of folks here are trying to use SM to achieve an altered state of consciousness (re: subspace). I've seen others discuss topics relating to spirituality and I'm pretty sure a search will turn up a lot of threads. So, its not like its totally irrelevant or has never been mentioned before.

It was a fast reply... Although I am glad it was provoking enough for you to add these comments. I agree that there are many methods used in the pursuit of happyness. BDSM is one of mine and apparently alot of ya'lls. I will not belittle the importance of it in our lives but will remind myself if no one else that it is still only a part of mine and I have many avenues to pursue my ULTIMATE. However, I still think a google search or yahoo or all the web etc, will turn up more places than in these particular boards. However... I am sure there are people here who could and WILL share thier views (and have) and opinions here.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 4/30/2008 6:11:17 PM

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I have had a few cathartic experiences. It is incredible. It was not as much of finding an answer, but getting a major release from a stress that would not go away. To orgasm or go into subspace, then just weep in your Master's arms is deep and intense for both. I could not do it with out extreme trust in Him.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 4/30/2008 9:11:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

It's a little unfair to expect someone else to be your unpaid therapist IMO. Now doing this inside of therapy with that invaluable adviser to help you both set up the situation so that it has the best possible chance of a positive outcome, and with your next few therapy sessions devoted to deconstruct the situation and examine it afterwards is something else.

But the risks of it going badly are great when neither of you know what you're doing. Plus it can leave the top feeling as though he is an abusive bastard if it goes wrong.

Honestlly kids, psychodrama is dangerous.

Your post showed it was in reply to me but I'm going to assume that was a fast reply, since I have no expectations of my Master to be my therapist. This was my Master's idea and insistance that it happen. Were it up to me, I would not have wanted to do what he planned for me. It worked out fantastically, as does about 90% of what he decides to do with me.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 12:08:40 AM

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What kind of stories are you looking for? I teach this...along with ritual piercing and transformational mummification. It comes with being on the Butchmanns faculty.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 3:15:50 AM

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In no particular answer to anyone, but I find this topic interesting in that I also am interested the spiritual aspect of BDSM. I believe BDSM is a vehicle to get to those places one feels the need to find. Sometimes a terrifying thought, but at other times a need that needs to be experienced or else stagnation. I also have the experience of mood swings, a situation where medication only serves to dull the mind and talk therapy with those that don't understand is fruitless.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 3:46:16 AM

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The first "real" planned scene I was ever part of could be described as being cathartic. He was unaware of where I was going but one phrase he said did it for me. I was flying for the following week and things made a bit more sense. This isn't the place to go into exactly what went on or what part of me was touched , but.....wow!
I'd love to experience this again, but with full knowledge of the direction I was going.

**JavamanTN......thanks for the info in the modern primative movement. This approach makes much sense to me.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 9:31:03 AM

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Sorry o.g., yes it was a fast reply. I was in fact trying to respond to the op.
I'm glad it went well with you but you and he have had a lot of time together.
The op is targeted doms to do this who she doesn't know or have any history with. Which is a lot different than people inside a committed relationship with a lot of earned trust.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 8:46:59 PM

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I like what someone said about healing and in nut shell that is what it might be for some of us. As a X monk and someone who spent most of my early part of my life there, well there is a boat load of stuff. I remember when the nuns use to have us put up two fingers or one. If you put up just one they would say, "hold it for Jesus". So why am I the way I am?

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 10:38:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Sorry o.g., yes it was a fast reply. I was in fact trying to respond to the op.
I'm glad it went well with you but you and he have had a lot of time together.
The op is targeted doms to do this who she doesn't know or have any history with. Which is a lot different than people inside a committed relationship with a lot of earned trust.

Hi Celeste, thanks for the clarification and no apology necessary. And no doubt, what he did was intense, frightening and difficult, but yes, he knows me extremely well due to our years together, and that's why it worked as it did.

I agree it can indeed be a dangerous game to intentionally create a somewhat traumatic experience for someone not well known. It was well over a year before he started attempting to take me to those places, and about 2 1/2 years before he kicked it up into places I didn't know I could handle. I think without the history and trust, my mind might have cracked!

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/1/2008 10:46:30 PM

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Wow, you mean I can call giving a sub an enema "catharisis"?

How noble! And I just thought I was clearing out a pooper for my cock!

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 12:59:41 AM

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It's really an element of a deep relationship, isn't it? Finding that release to another person.. being able to just break down.. and be safe. And that being okay.. it is catharsis..

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 3:28:24 AM

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Oh, I agree one has to be with someone you trust implicitly, a person who is well aware of you and cares about you to even go near this sort of thing as it can be dangerous.

Is why I hold back until I do, have, trust and care.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 2:42:25 PM

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For me, BDSM can be a very spiritual thing & i have occasionally had some cathartic moments during and after play.

However, its not something that one can set up or instigate in my experience, just something that happens when you're head is in the right place. My only advice.. Find somebody to build trust with.. Relax.. And when the time is right just let go..

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 3:21:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: midnightwench

I am curious if anyone out there has stories that they can share about cathartic BDSM. The process sounds like it is what I have been looking for from my Doms for a long time, and have never been able to put into proper terms for them.

Also interested in anyone who has been combining paganism and BDSM in a ritualistic fasion. (read a wonderful book regarding this topic, and would love to hear from those who practice it)

Thank you all for any feedback :)

I am stuck with my professional and intellectual understamding of the term catharisis....in simple form an extreme eruption of emotion at the point at which the 'patient' catharts or transfers past emotional feelings upon their analyst (the term derives from analytical traditions).
So: IMPO it is something that I am personally aware of controlling professonally but just 'let it out' during my sexuality and play. Much of my bdsm I allow to be cathartic for me.
I have had deep moments when a dom has 'felt' like a chastising father. Or I have screamed at someone as if they were to 'blame' for everything. I need and want chastisement. It's almost not bdsm unless there is. Once my feelings are catharted, or let out, then there's a soirituality, a calmness which is very beautiful.
Or, worse for me, I have let out feelings that I knew I had taken on board, had introjected, from my mother. That feels horrible for me in personal relationships because my mother was a cery domianting woman and cruel toowards my father and it gets me to that 'switchy point' in me and then ALL my defenses come up, I feel bad, I feel guilty, and I am tripped out of the scene.
Strangely enough though when I am woman on woman I can allow the switch and it doesn't feel negative. i personally understand the root of this for me.
So, no, catharsis isn't role play for me. It's either not there, because counter transference onto a client isn't allowed, it isn't ethical, it's trained out of us, or supervised out of us as it were.
But it's a natural process I would say inherent in all of us as a healthy potential when it's controlled and understood. in my bdsm it's almost alays what I crave as it isn't bdsm unless it's present.
it's been very harsh for my ex because of course the other person always has cathartic needs of their own.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 6:56:26 PM

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Although its probably cheaper than seeing a shrink or some other mental health professional, BDSM as therapy strikes me as wrong. I'm curious to learn if it is just a quick fix that happens or is there actual long term resolution of one's problems. How did pop psychology and spiritualism get tangled up with BDSM? (I blame the internet but don't really know for sure.) What's next Chicken Soup For the Pervert's Soul? Sorry for the disjointed post. (I blame the internet.) Good food for thought though - thanks.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 7:15:50 PM

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I just try and keep the *defination* simple...

Emotional puking...

Made sense to me...

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 7:35:41 PM

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I agree with you, metalmiss. (lovely new pic, btw!

) I've had some cathartic moments with Master thus far, and there are more to follow, I'm sure. It's a sign of the trust between us that I'm able to let go in such a way with him. It's far deeper and more intense than any physical submission could be. With him, I am safe to let my emotions flow and he is so wonderful with me. There's something very releasing, healing and powerful that just strikes me at times when we are together - a combination of my physical submission and the emotional triggers it hits. Past hurts, worries and harms come to surface for some reason - possibly the vulnerability he brings out in me?

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about aftercare being important after something like this. I have to agree - after a session where I really lost it, I was a mess for about a week emotionally, sometimes not even realizing why it was until we got through it. Not everyone will have that reaction, of course, but if the OP is thinking of trying something outside of a relationship, please be aware that you may need some care afterwards - either from friends or the Dominant, to help you process everything you went through.

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RE: Cathartic BDSM - 5/2/2008 9:46:29 PM

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