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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 12:28:47 PM   
Venatrix


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Venatrix-You may be right...But I didn't meanto give off that signal....like I said I would have handled it all differently if I could do it again.....But that's why I am asking if it's worth one e-mail explaining myself and my intentions or just forget it as others here have said


Alas, teaseme, there's no way for you to know what went wrong, since she won't return your messages.  All you can do is try for some introspection to see if there was something you gave off inadvertently that didn't sit well with her, learn from whatever it was, and move on. 

One of the things I've noticed about male subs is that they tend to build the domme into a fantasy person.  I have someone doing this to me right now, and no matter how much I try to convince him that nobody is that fantastic, he won't listen.  It's usually only a matter of time before reality sets in, and people go away disappointed.  Given that you thought she was so terrific at first, and you are now seeing she isn't, chances are that things would have fizzled eventually, so better to know now and write it off as experience.

I hope you have better luck in the future.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 12:34:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: teasemeallnight
I would like to look at my options here....


Here's one vote for:

Email.  Very short.  Very frank and positive.  Basic message is "Sorry,  new to this, last thing I want to do is leave a bunch of voice-mails or emails that annoy you, but I would feel pretty stupid if I did not say that in the year I've been searching, you are the one woman I've liked the most.  Really enjoyed your company.  Think you are beautiful, would love to explore my submissive side with you someday, if you're interested."

No reply, that's the last thing you say.  Lame reply ("not right now", "bad time", "other things", "you seem like a nice guy but--"), then you just say "It's all right, I understand, and thank you for the date.  Always a pleasure to spend the evening with a beautiful woman."

And that's it.  Simple, strong, classy, and to the point.  No attempted blackmail or whining of any kind.  No list of crimes against your sense of entitlement.  No behaving as if she owes you something.  No mention of how long it takes her to answer email or phone calls.  Nothing negative.

Probably still won't work, because she's probably just not into you, but it's my best advice.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 12:52:35 PM   
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ShaktiSama-Thanks again....I like your approach. DO you think I should send it now or wait a few days/week or so.....And I do think it probably won't work, but you never know...And at least it will give me a better sense of closure.....

I am so happy I found this board...Because even if it doesnt work out with this girl...I feel I am reeady to find a domme now and the suggestions/insights from those here will help in my search

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 1:24:48 PM   
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quote:

And at least it will give me a better sense of closure.....


Yep.  That's pretty much the only point to it.  It's for your benefit, not hers--the odds of her coming around and seeing that you are worth something are minimal, but it doesn't hurt to practice treating yourself as if you are.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 1:41:48 PM   
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OP, I haven't read the entire thread, but rather read snippets of the replies here and there...  it seems like an aspect of this may be being overlooked here by you and some of the others:

You're asking if "it's over" when it's been 1 week.

Yes, she may have decided she's not interested and is giving you the brush off.

But it may also be that she's had 1 good meeting with you and then you've become a bit annoying/obsessive.  It's only been a week and you're wondering if she's completely written you off.  By the tone of your post, it sounds like you were feeling and are open to showing that she's pretty important to you -after only meeting once.  You called her because she didn't email you back within 3 days -after only meeting her once.

Three days is not long.

A week, when people have lives going on and may be irritated by the "you haven't responded to my email, new person I just met" phone call, isn't long either.

She may not be interested in you.  She may just have other things going on or not feel the frenzy that you do but still be interested in pursuing something.  She may have been interested, not gotten to your email quickly for whatever reason and now be put off by you.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 2:00:04 PM   
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hmmm...more ways to look at this all...all perceptive...can't say thanks enough......funny...did I turn her off my sending the email or by sending it too late...so complicated.....the email was short, respectful and basically said thanks....plus "I look forward to seeing you again".....coming on too strong can be a turnoff to some women in the dating world...but is it different with a domme? That was my problem..not sure if I should conduct myseld differently because I was on a date with a domme....

yeah..OK...my odds are long...but I'll let it breathe a bit...not think about it too much and send that short email at some point

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 4:38:31 PM   
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I'm sorry folks but I can't go along with the entire subs should beg and wait and plead thing. Come on, I dominate men and women, not worms, and men and women should know their own value and not behave in a fashion that lessens that value. His clinging to hope is lessening his value; she all ready devalued herself by not communicating. The OP isn't talking about he sent an email and then he's heard nothing back. They knew each other enough to go out and talk for five hours. She had a responsibility to communicate after that and be honest with him. If she can't make up her mind or has decided against him or simply is crazy busy she needs to be a woman and tell him so


I completely agree. In-scene the begging turns me on but out-of-scene I find it pathetic. Its a huge turn off. But that's me being fickle *wink*
I do agree that she should just send a quick email or something and explain. Its not fair to keep someone in the ark-I think its emotionally manipulate at worse and cowardly at best.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 8:57:42 PM   
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Eric (teasemeallnight),

I find it interesting that you've only replied directly to women in this thread.  Likewise, you've only replied to those who espoused opinions along the lines of "try one more time".  Of course, you can do as you wish, but I think you already know this woman is not interested in you.  Regardless of whether you should have waited longer or not, the two of you already had an online rapport.  While I hate to be the messenger of bad news, it is *very* common when two people meet online and then meet for a first time in public, that one of them never contacts the other again.  I don't support this kind of communication and it's not my own, personal style, but it is a clear message none-the-less.  Someone who treats you this way *is not* interested in you, regardless of whether she has a busy schedule or not.  I truly think you're better off putting your energy into finding someone where the real-life attraction is mutual.

Good luck with whatever approach you decide to take, :-)

Elan.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 9:26:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a

One thing you should remember.. you can have a really good time but not be willing to do it again...



Definitely words to remember.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 9:30:48 PM   
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Elan

No problem talking to men....I know it's probably done but I would liketo know why...or if I did something wrong.....but then again It's all the way we look at stuff....I am going to use this experience to help me clarify what I want.. Perhaps as you say I can find it with someone else, perhaps someone on this site....

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/1/2008 9:47:37 PM   
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Eric (teasemeallnight),

Thanks for your reply.

--- I know it's probably done but I would
--- like to know why... or if I did something
--- wrong...

From what I can tell, you didn't do anything wrong.  She simply didn't find the in-person attraction as compatible as the online attraction.  This said, continuing to contact a one-time date who doesn't reply... well, to the receiver, this comes across as harassment.  That is definitely something wrong! :-)  The only thing I can say (and please don't take this as me encouraging you) is, if you feel so compelled that you must contact this woman, send a short, polite note or phone call.  After this, if she doesn't reply, drop it.  Forever.

Elan.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/2/2008 12:38:04 AM   
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I think the ball is in her court.  You've contacted her twice, so she has the ability to return either your call or your email at her convenience.  Maybe she's mulling over the idea of seeing you again and hasn't quite made up her mind.  It hasn't been that long.  I'd suggest another week before contacting her again, if at all.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/2/2008 2:51:05 AM   
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Over all I would say it sounds like she just didn't feel the chemistry in person she was hoping for and honestly, it doesn't really sound like you did either. I hear you had a nice time, gave her a kiss etc... but you were nervous, uncomfortable, didn't quite know how to behave etc....  I think if the two of you had really clicked, in 5 hours, those nerves would have disappeared and you would have felt very comfortable with her. I didn't read anything in your post that really explained what it was you admired or felt attracted to in this woman. If you didn't talk about D/s, what did you talk about? Did you have a lot in common? Or was the only common ground an interest in D/s?

I've had a few first meets and even some online chat, in which I get the distinct impression that he's not really present in the conversation, but just waiting until I get around to discussing the D/s aspect of things. Then if I do mention a BDSM or D/s related subject, he's suddenly animated, excited, he sit's up, eyes wide, attentive etc...I find this irritating and offensive. It's important to me that we click first as friends and find a mutual rapport and respect for one another. I can't do that if his mind is not engaged.

I can't say for certian that this is what happened, but you give so few details of a 5 hour date that I can't help but wonder. Were you really taken by her? Or just really taken by the idea of finding a Mistress? Be honest with yourself and I think you will find your answer.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/2/2008 4:02:33 PM   
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Dear teasemeallnight

Internet dating is callous

Your friend has just broken up with her sub and has probably contacted about 10 subs like you.  She will keep meeting them in person until one lights her fire.

This is going to sound really cruel - sorry but didn't you notice the age difference?  You are old enough to be her dad!!  Which might not be a handicap if you look like George Clooney and/or are very rich,  but otherwise...... is it any wonder she treated you politely but is still looking for a partner?  Do vanilla girls half your age want to date you?  If not, why would a Domme

Don't bug the poor girl with email. She doesn't want to hurt your feelings by explaining  the obvious.

Next time, search for someone age appropriate.  You will have more in common and your inital excitment is more likely to be reciprocated.

BTW I am the opposite of TNstepsout on first dates.  If I find the sub attractive, then I enjoy a man who can regale me with witty, amusing stories of his BDSM adventures (and misadventures) in a way that makes me laugh while being respectful of previous Dommes.  There's nothing worse than an absolute newbie listening eagerly to BDSM-talk with nothing of his own to contribute. 

But if the sub is unattractive, anything he says about BDSM will be pushy, "irritating and offensive"

It is important to establish lust at first sight.... or at least on the first date.  She gave you 5 whole hours to woo her.  To prove you would be great fun to dominate.  So next time a prospective asks you about BDSM, have something more interesting and entertaining to say than "I haven't really met any Dommes".  Choose a story that makes you sound like lots of fun.  End your answer with an open question about BDSM and let her decide whether to answer or go back to small talk about the weather.

I don't agree you failed to follow up quickly enough.  You told her during the date you wanted to see her again.  If I want to see a sub again, I tell him when I want to see him next.  Dominant women take control of the pace of the relationship.  Its in our nature.  We don't wait by the phone for you to call (or email) and announce you like us!!!  That is automatically assumed......
Good luck

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/2/2008 4:53:37 PM   
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Not a Mistress, but I really feel the need to say somthing on this one. Ladies, if I may.

Tease, revert to original format. Go back to once ever month or two hello's. She's nice enough not to give you too big a shurg. That "might" your an I don't know, to her. She still likes you but, you might not be her type. So give her time. keep in touch like you used to, make yourself available if/when the next invite comes. Just don't let it get weird. She obviously liked the arrangement from before... other wise she wouldn't have asked you out. She might like it again.

If she hasn't called you and set something up by the time you read this. Stop contacting her right now. Then in one months time, catch up with her. Tell her, in a very easy going way. You get that your not her type, but you'd still like to keep it the way it was before.

Really  What do you have to lose?

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/3/2008 8:57:41 AM   
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I'll become the next to throw my 2 cents in to the hat.  Step back on this one. Move forward. Meet other dommes. Let her come to you. It sounds like she has some growing up to do. What did you like about her. Her looks? Her youth? There are always other women or dommes or subs or guys or whatever one is in search of out there. I do agree that it would be the human thing to do for her to contact you...and at least give you some closure. Treating one who is respectful without respect is a sign of immaturity at best. She sounds like has issues. Forget her or send a short checking in e-mail next month

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/3/2008 12:39:37 PM   
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A sub that comes across as needy, is a turn off, at least to me. I pick that up from you posts.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/3/2008 3:23:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
But in my experience, it's like a bellcurve, and a lot of men fall into a category of "I'm not sure if I could get into this guy or not."


I agree in that how one feels about another is not black and white but grey.

quote:

ORIGINAL: teasemeallnight


I expect you fell in the weaker end of the grey region.

Here are some thoughts.

It seems you are wondering what you did between the date and the email (sending the email when you did) to which you got no response, and if that has caused the change in her behavior. I expect her response has little to do with any particular act you did. Your approach--keeping in touch by emails, a phone conversation, and being yourself on the date--sounds reasonable enough. To be formal, a thank you or follow up note should go out immediately. The formality people observe varies considerably and I don't think a note a day and a half after the event is off the mark--at least, I am fairly certain it is not the cause of her response now. I expect how she feels about you is tied more to the chemistry and compatibility she feels.

Multiple times I have felt strong attraction for a woman I was getting to know. As the process moved forward, however, the attraction faded. I cannot intellectually explain why the attraction faded--I continue to consider these women attractive women and they possess traits I find attractive. Still, that feeling of sexual or romantic attraction faded. I wish it had not but it did. With these experiences, and those where I was at the other end of things, I have come to see that chemistry is irrational and one cannot understand or explain it. Is it pheromones, energetics, instincts, or something else at work, I am not sure--it just is.

Some times when I have backed away, it has been because of sensing mismatched interest. This point may or may not have been relevant to your situation. If it is and she is seeking space, the only thing you can do is give her space.

It seems you had a long first date (that was meant to be coffee only) and its length could be relevant. With strong chemistry and compatibility, that long first date could feel just fine. With the two in the grey area, a long first date could create an uncomfortable feeling. She might have wondered if she gave too strong a message, and then felt a want to back away. You might have traveled to see her, which would understandably create a want to maximize the time had together through that trip. And I can see myself letting a good first date run on and not wanting it to end. Still, my sensibility says there are more reasons to keep it of moderate length than not--perhaps even have existing plans afterwards that help observe a time limit. The pace of things can make a difference.

The age difference could be relevant based on what she seeks, and what her preferred age range is. I think relationships based on BDSM only allow a greater range of preferred age than do relationships that are based on romantic companionship. The multiple kisses on the cheek suggest a more romantic component. While at the time she might have enjoyed the romantic attention, especially if she was missing such attention, it might have created dissonance after the event if the age difference is too great for what she wants for a romantic companionship.

Dommes often advise against being the first to bring up BDSM, or to talk about BDSM on the first date. My philosophy is slightly different. I think it is possible to talk about BDSM, initiate talk about BDSM, or D/s flirt without coming across as simply getting your jollies. It seems you were cautious about not coming across as a do-me sub. I suppose I am thinking of a vanilla date that has little sexual or romantic energy, and taking that idea to a date between BDSMers where there is little D/s energy.  If she was seeing you as a possible D/s relationship prospect and not a romantic prospect, this observed distance from BDSM subjects alongside the romantic gestures might have caused her to feel there is a mismatch in expectations.

People tend to put off something that carries with it some unease. For instance, one might put off a call about bad news. And the delay thereby had can increase the unease--now one feels apologetic or uncomfortable about the bad news and also the delay in response. I expect she might be feeling unease for not having written you or called you, which could make it increasingly awkward to call or write. However, what is more important is the initial unease, which stems from the level of interest she feels. And why she is feeling unease is not as important as that she is feeling unease.

If any of the above occurred, she is likely wanting space. When one wants space, words do not help as much as actions. The best way to give space is back off and demonstrate that one can accept the space and distance. Promising to give space and adjust to that person's wants does not help as much and, in fact, could increase the want for space.

In any case, I don't think there is much you can do right now. Either she is completely disinterested, or the interest level has changed so that she is wanting space. I think you should redirect your attention elsewhere. At most, you can keep the bridge intact to see if anything changes in the future, which you can do through varying degrees of directness.

I recall times when I would examine what I did and could have done differently, and what I could do to change how things were when a new possibility seemed to be going astray. One reason I wanted to fix things so strongly was that I did not think other possibilities would come easily. As I began to feel better about other possibilities, it became easier to accept the situation when chemistry seemed to not be coming through. Also, with time, hindsight might bring you insights from this experience that will help you with others that will come your way--it did happen as such for me.

My two cents.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/3/2008 6:30:04 PM   
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I once set up a male friend of mine with a great female friend of my wife's who was a bit older, but who was golden in her own way.

They went on one date. He thought she was too old. His way of breaking up with her was "the-do-nothing." No call. No returning of calls. Just a 100% disappearing act. Even the fact that we set him up bore not on his decision.

I argued that he was rude. He argued this was standard-dating breakup procedure, and that conflict and hurt-feelings avoidance trumped courtesies.

I was pretty pissed about it. He and I aren't friends anymore -- and his behavior here was a contributing factor.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs --- he did convince me (and I have heard from others) that total avoidance is a standard, socially accepted way to blow off a date.

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RE: Advice after 1st meeting - 5/3/2008 7:34:01 PM   
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OP - Look for an older Domme.  They (we) tend to be less 'flighty'.

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