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HK show me where i have put words in Obamas mouth ?  i have been posting my view of what his statement, as a whole, meant. All you keep doing is avoiding my simple question. What do you think his words mean ?  or phrased another way, what action do you think he will take ?

To simplify my view for you, i think he is talking about sending in troops, that constitutes an invasion.

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WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 — Senator Barack Obama said Wednesday that the United States should shift its military focus away from the Iraq war to a broader fight against Islamic extremism, vowing to dispatch American forces to eradicate terrorist camps in Pakistan if that nation failed to take such action.

Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is seeking his party’s presidential nomination, said he would order strikes on Al Qaeda targets and withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid if the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, did not blunt a resurging Taliban presence in the country’s tribal areas. This, he said, is the “right battlefield” to make the United States safer.

“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act,” Mr. Obama said, “we will.”

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During a major foreign policy speech on Wednesday Senator Barack Obama promised that as president he would consider military strikes against terrorists in Pakistan if the country refused to root them out. Those comments drew a sharp response from Pakistani officials as well as the Bush administration today.

“It’s a very irresponsible statement, that’s all I can say,” Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khusheed Kasuri said in an interview with A.P. Television News. “As the election campaign in America is heating up we would not like American candidates to fight their elections and contest elections at our expense.”

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Yay let's invade Russia too.

They're already testing us, buzzing our carriers with their bombers and such.

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HK show me where i have put words in Obamas mouth ?  i have been posting my view of what his statement, as a whole, meant. All you keep doing is avoiding my simple question. What do you think his words mean ?  or phrased another way, what action do you think he will take ?

To simplify my view for you, i think he is talking about sending in troops, that constitutes an invasion.

"There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans," he said. "They are plotting to strike again. . . . If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

I don't see anything about troops. I don't see anything about an invasion. I don't much give a fuck if you think what he said really means "I'll send our UFOs and all our woods faeries to invade Mushaffaf's palace." He said he would act, he didn't specify how, and he didn't say a thing about troops or invading. You and cyber are totally making shit up about what you "think" he said, and that is putting words in his mouth. Quod erat demonstrandum.

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HK show me where i have put words in Obamas mouth ?  i have been posting my view of what his statement, as a whole, meant. All you keep doing is avoiding my simple question. What do you think his words mean ?  or phrased another way, what action do you think he will take ?

To simplify my view for you, i think he is talking about sending in troops, that constitutes an invasion.

"There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans," he said. "They are plotting to strike again. . . . If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

I don't see anything about troops. I don't see anything about an invasion. I don't much give a fuck if you think what he said really means "I'll send our UFOs and all our woods faeries to invade Mushaffaf's palace." He said he would act, he didn't specify how, and he didn't say a thing about troops or invading. You and cyber are totally making shit up about what you "think" he said, and that is putting words in his mouth. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Interesting take considering he said he felt sending troops in, in 2005, would the correct thing to do. Yet again you resort to swearing and avoid answering just how he would act.

Certainly most of the worlds press came to the conclusion i did as can be shown by reading articles such as this one, in the Washington Post 

Obama said in a speech Wednesday that as president he would order military action against terrorists in Pakistan's tribal region bordering Afghanistan if intelligence warranted it. The comment provoked anger in Pakistan, a key ally of the United States in its war on terror

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080300321.html

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Obama said in a speech Wednesday that as president he would order military action against terrorists in Pakistan's tribal region bordering Afghanistan if intelligence warranted it. The comment provoked anger in Pakistan, a key ally of the United States in its war on terror 

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WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 — Senator Barack Obama said Wednesday that the United States should shift its military focus away from the Iraq war to a broader fight against Islamic extremism, vowing to dispatch American forces to eradicate terrorist camps in Pakistan if that nation failed to take such action.

Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is seeking his party’s presidential nomination, said he would order strikes on Al Qaeda targets and withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid if the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, did not blunt a resurging Taliban presence in the country’s tribal areas. This, he said, is the “right battlefield” to make the United States safer.

“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act,” Mr. Obama said, “we will.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/us/politics/02obama.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1209809585-j0zTKJMrE/NUTuNOsSWpEQ

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During a major foreign policy speech on Wednesday Senator Barack Obama promised that as president he would consider military strikes against terrorists in Pakistan if the country refused to root them out. Those comments drew a sharp response from Pakistani officials as well as the Bush administration today.

“It’s a very irresponsible statement, that’s all I can say,” Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khusheed Kasuri said in an interview with A.P. Television News. “As the election campaign in America is heating up we would not like American candidates to fight their elections and contest elections at our expense.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/obama-takes-heat-on-pakistan

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Obama said in a speech Wednesday that as president he would order military action against terrorists in Pakistan's tribal region bordering Afghanistan if intelligence warranted it. The comment provoked anger in Pakistan, a key ally of the United States in its war on terror 

Smiles At the smiley, okay that did make me laugh. It was the sentance above, included in my last post, that i was referring to.

We dont seem to be getting anywhere here, and in all truthfulness i would really be interested in your views of what you feel Obama meant.

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What is China,Russia and Europe form a G-whatever of their own,and kick us out?

That`s just as likely a scenario as Russia getting kicked from G-8

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Personally, I think he was alerting Musharrif that he had best not fuck around and drag his feet if high-level bastards were positively ID'd and located, were he to be elected.

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He better not fuck around ... or what?

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I hear ya' NG!
 
I wonder what it will take to get someone in power over hear that thinks something besides ... America needs to rule the world, and I'm willing to bankrupt America to prove it.

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Yay let's invade Russia too.

They're already testing us, buzzing our carriers with their bombers and such.

That's because you have been doing it to them and now they once again can afford to do it back to you. These games have been going on for decades. In a school yard the the teacher would have banged their heads together by now and told each not to be so childish.

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WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 — Senator Barack Obama said Wednesday that the United States should shift its military focus away from the Iraq war to a broader fight against Islamic extremism, vowing to dispatch American forces to eradicate terrorist camps in Pakistan if that nation failed to take such action.

Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is seeking his party’s presidential nomination, said he would order strikes on Al Qaeda targets and withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid if the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, did not blunt a resurging Taliban presence in the country’s tribal areas. This, he said, is the “right battlefield” to make the United States safer.

“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act,” Mr. Obama said, “we will.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/us/politics/02obama.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1209809585-j0zTKJMrE/NUTuNOsSWpEQ

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During a major foreign policy speech on Wednesday Senator Barack Obama promised that as president he would consider military strikes against terrorists in Pakistan if the country refused to root them out. Those comments drew a sharp response from Pakistani officials as well as the Bush administration today.

“It’s a very irresponsible statement, that’s all I can say,” Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khusheed Kasuri said in an interview with A.P. Television News. “As the election campaign in America is heating up we would not like American candidates to fight their elections and contest elections at our expense.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/obama-takes-heat-on-pakistan

I didn't see anything in either citation wherein Obama stated that he would "use military power", "Invade Pakistan", or anything like that.

Listen, if anyone can find those words, that HE said, not some blogger's interpretation of what he thought Obama might mean, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong. By "troops", I don't mean a couple snipers, either. I mean a use of a military unit larger than a squad or platoon; I mean a fairly large force.

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It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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It's already been done, to my satisfaction.