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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 7:40:03 AM

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....yet another Jesus bashing thread.......::yawns::: boring.
I pity the ignorant fool that could be swayed by the on-line know it alls, tulip.

My favorite saying is always going to be "Thank you Jesus!".

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Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do

Seems more apt if I was going to quote religious babble. Is he not a political figure and so as such open to ridicule?

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 7:41:20 AM

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Raechard, Im starting to like you :)

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 7:44:17 AM

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That probably won't last long I have a knack of annoying people.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 8:04:01 AM

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Just enjoy the positive attention while it lasts then boyo :P

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 11:14:38 AM

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Well , now that you say so, it all makes since. You really blew the lid off that scam! Oh learned whistleblower, truly, i thank thee. Thanks to you, none of us believe any more, no proof needed...thanks.
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....yet another Jesus bashing thread.......::yawns::: boring.
I pity the ignorant fool that could be swayed by the on-line know it alls, tulip.

My favorite saying is always going to be "Thank you Jesus!".

So all someone has to do is add the word 'Jesus' to the silliest pile of crap, and you are going to call any criticism 'Jesus bashing'?

You might want to take a look at the OP's posts, they are denying just about every basic tenet of Christianity, and you are now on record as supporting them in their heresy.

You also might want to try that 'ignorant fool' line in another direction...

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 12:08:43 PM

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Floccipaucinihilipilification of religious beliefs only upsets people.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 1:50:48 PM

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Is he not a political figure

I don't think so. He never held an office or wielded much Earthly power or advocated political positions. Indeed, he vividly separated the realms of God and Caesar.

Now, he gets invoked a lot by political figures, but that's not the same thing.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 2:11:50 PM

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(Matthew 4:19)

If you ask someone to follow a set example isn't that political; promising a better world in exchange for living a certain way?

Isn’t religion just ancient politics?

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 2:29:54 PM

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(Matthew 4:19)

"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

Evangelical, maybe, but I don't see it as especially political.

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If you ask someone to follow a set example isn't that political; promising a better world in exchange for living a certain way?

It can be political, but I don't think it has to be. Advertisers, for instance, constantly promise us better lives if we buy their products or follow their advice, but I'm not sure that's necessarily political.

Finally did what I should have done before my last post and looked up political in the dictionary. Here's what they say at merriam-webster.com:

1 a: of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government b: of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy
2: of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics and especially party politics
3: organized in governmental terms <political units>
4: involving or charged or concerned with acts against a government or a political system <political prisoners>

I don't see Jesus in these definitions, except maybe four in that the religious authorities tried to persuade Pilate that Jesus posed a political threat.

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Isn’t religion just ancient politics?

No, religion is the still-ongoing human effort to make spiritual sense of the world. At least, that's how I see it. I'll grant you that religion was often a tool of ancient politics.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 3:11:48 PM

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 4:56:02 PM

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Floccipaucinihilipilification of religious beliefs only upsets people.

Thanks stella for teaching me such a wonderful new word, I adore it.
Also, I like the points made by stella and dcnovice.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 6:38:28 PM

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Seems more apt if I was going to quote religious babble. Is he not a political figure and so as such open to ridicule?

RaechardBaby! I was just thinking about you yesterday! ~great big huge tackle kiss~ Cutie pie.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/4/2008 6:47:26 PM

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batshalom you are always on my mind. I hope all is well thesedays.

tackle kiss you say.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/5/2008 1:31:02 AM

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I found a very interesting documentary on the jesus myth some time back. Definitely worth looking into if you're interested in that sort of thing. It's called the "Pharmacratic Inquisition."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/5/2008 12:31:31 PM

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Luscious, should we be snacking on guilt laden catholic boys on a Sunday? Hellll yeah. Pass the sea salt.

I agree!

kind o reminds me of the time I went to a church to give blood for a blood drive and picked up a seminary boy. God, I wish i remebered his name? Well, that was many years ago and I digress.

I think I did it backwards. I've turned a couple of my exes into priests. Sadly, I'm not joking. Apparently my kinks scared them holy.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/5/2008 1:13:45 PM

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The Jesus myth is said to have happened around 2000 years ago. However like most myths people have conveniently forgotten that the story is far older than 2000 years old. The story of Jesus is a rip off of the earlier pagan sun worshiping myths. In which the sun was said to have been born during the winter solstice (23-25 December).The sun would then travel around the cross of the zodiac only to die and be reborn every year. The Sun Cross is at least 4000 years old. The Celtic Cross is also far older than the Jesus Story. Followers of the early sun cults would worship the SUN each week on a Sunday. You may find it interesting to google the word Jesus and look on the google images tab.Notice how nearly ever image of Jesus has the Sun in the picture. 70% of Americans believe in Jesus.

My goodness - what revelations are these, that the dying and rising God is to be found in myriad pre-Christian religions...... that the Jesus story mirrors some features from all, and all features from some of these religions......... that Christianity itself may be nothing more than an admixture of such ancient religions with bits of Judaism and Mediterranean philosophy thrown in........ whoever would have thought it? (quite a few, as it turns out).

The difference is, the Jesus myth is believed in by a great many who find it valuable for their lives today, whereas the more ancient forms of the myth are only of interest to a few, and usually only of academic interest to those few. Its not helpful to insist Christians hear this stuff, since it often rather annoys them, and insofar as theyre not annoying anyone else, why bother annoying them? Its not helpful to insist the few hear it either, since they know it already and usually have the sense to keep it to themselves.

The only use for the OP is to remind us that this myth is very powerful indeed, in whatever form it comes. That, and to pose the questions -
1) if Christianity is the inheritor of an ancient myth in this way, shouldnt all would be pagans take it up in the form to which it reaches us today in Jesus?
2) if Christianity is simply the current form of an ancient myth, shouldnt it be possible for all would be pagans to resurrect the ancient forms and to realise from them the same potency and effects as experienced from the Christian form?

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/5/2008 1:56:30 PM

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My favorite saying is always going to be "Thank you Jesus!".

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/5/2008 3:06:09 PM

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AMEN!

The term Amen comes from the Egyptian sun god Amen-ra.Here is a link to a photo of Amen-ra: http://www.sokir.com/images/amen_ra.gif Notice in the photo, he is holding the cross of eternal life, known as the ankh. Amen-Ra is a sun god and is where the term ray comes from (as in ray of sun light). Ra is connected to other gods such as Isis and El (El is now known as the god Saturn). Isis, Ra and El is where the name Is-ra-el comes from. Israel is a country on the eastern border of Egypt.

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RE: The Jesus Myth - 5/5/2008 4:42:41 PM

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Ok, now that tidbit I found interesting....

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