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nameonhold -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 9:30:49 AM)

I'm honestly not sure why this is such a big issue. Me, I'm uncut. Hygeniene is not the issue some make it out to be. It really isn't a big deal when you're in the shower anyhow.

I think some of the women are neglecting to consider that their are benefits to being uncut, namely, better male lubrication, whereas cut penises tend to have glans which are dryer than uncut men.

I'll also note that uncut has been seen as a major benefit by some women who were particularly into cbt. Being an admitted and unabashed cbt slut, I am very pleased to be uncut, providing simply more for the sadistic women of the world to torture.



mistoferin -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 9:31:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Just to be clear, my decision to circumcise my boys didn't have a damn thing to do with religion. ....and I do take issue with the child abuse reference

Just because some of us have made decisions that don't match what you think is right doesn't give you the right to label us all as ignorant, child abusing, religious zealots.




As I pointed out, the origin of circumcision in the west is through middle east religions and has nothing to do with medical reasons which at best are equivical and at worst, a total red herring. I would imagine that the prevalance in America of circumcision if it is not religious then it is through socialization since all the medical arguments are spurious.

Circumcizing a female is child abuse because it is unnecessary mutilation and designed to interfer with sexual pleasure for cultural reasons and so is circumcizing a male, though it now appears to be largely cultural habit much as religious.


It really is pointless to continue because regardless of my reasons or how right they were to me.....it is blatantly apparent that they will never be right or even respected by you.



Justme696 -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 9:35:23 AM)

well just ask the docter to cut diagonal..so one side is clear en one side is covered...every one happy



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 9:44:07 AM)

My Master's cock is uncut and this is my first experience with an uncut cock.  I love His cock! [sm=hearts.gif] He keeps Himself clean, so there's no odor other than His natural manly smell, which I adore.

I'm not sure I understand what others are referring to when they speak of all of the extra skin.  When He's aroused, there's hardly any skin that isn't pulled taut - but then again, He is very well endowed, so maybe that makes a difference?  [sm=dunno.gif]  This being my only experience with an uncut cock, I have no idea.

Cut or uncut just doesn't make a difference to me personally.  What does gross me out is guys who don't at least trim their pubic hair, although I prefer it shaved.  Nothing more [sm=eeew.gif] than trying to suck on hairy balls.  Thankfully, part of my service to Master is to shave Him regularly, so it's not an issue.



mistoferin -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 9:50:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
I think the issue is that people go into hospital in the US and give birth and circumcision is done as a matter of course - it's the 'done thing' with little thought applied to why. Ask 30 people why they think circumcision is better and most will say 'b/c uncut cock stinks'. In other words, it is still stereotyped as being unclean - uncut = poor hygiene, which as we know isn't the case, although may be in a minor percentage.


Well you're right, there will be people who will do exactly that. There will be people who will allow themselves to be subjected to repeated ultrasounds during pregnancy without thought or research also. There are LOTS of moms who will think nothing of scheduling their C-Section date because some doctor has convinced them that about 50% of women's bodies have somehow lost the ability to do what it is specifically designed to do....give birth...or who will allow their labor to be artificially induced because again, some doctor has us all convinced that our bodies can't be relied on to do that for us. There will be mother's who will give their babies bottles of formula without research or real thought too. There will be parents who will allow the hospital to give their newborns formula because they "need" it to take the PKU test without ever researching whether or not they really do "need" it. There will be parents who will automatically have their babies immunized without ever looking at both sides of the issue.

There are lots of things that people will do without the thought and care that they SHOULD be putting into the decision. There are lots of things that seem to be being done simply because it's the way "everyone" is doing it. But, just because there are a lot of people who will do it that way....certainly doesn't mean that all of us do. Some of us actually do try to take every bit of information available to us and base our decisions on that. All of the above things that I mentioned can be argued pro and con....but all of those things are personal decisions in the end.



MissMorrigan -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:02:27 AM)

Thank you for answering me, Mist. With people becoming more self-aware, can you see kids growing up and resenting having that choice made for them?

My boy was circumcised, a partial circumcision was medically necessary for him although his parents opted for a full circumcision, which is something he resents due to a considerable reduction in sensation. He would have preferred it if he had been asked rather than the choice being made for him.



Maya2001 -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:07:55 AM)

It was optional here when my son was born but covered by the medical plan , doctors encouraged circumcision telling parents there  it would help prevent infections,  I did not have experience with uncut ...so joined the masses to have my son circumcised.   My son  became a father of a son  the health care system now charges for the proceedure and does not recommend, but my son and  his S/O are from a generation that have known most are circumsized so to them it is still foreign idea and to them the idea of pulling back a foreskin all the time on a baby/young child  to clean is a bit of a weird concept and they struggled with the idea of having to do as the child gets older and starts talking ...could it somehow be misconstrued as sexual abuse it the child tells someone else....I mean mean do live in a world here now were hugging can be easily miscontrued as sexual abuse  so even in primary grades children can no longer hug each other at school... so yes I feel there is some societal pressure still to circumsize as physical touching of children  can be very damning  and if the child decides they as they get older decides not to wash properly forces the parent to do and puts them in certain risk of being dragged thru the mud legally trying to explain and became part of the reason my son decided to have his child circumcized,  it has only been in recent years here wear women where allowed to breastfeed in public without it being seen as a sexual offence and still many are not comfortable doing so and many others still view as offensive or of a sexual nature.. it think it will be a long time in NA  where uncut penises will become the norm without a stigma attached to it.  And I do agree mostly with Meatcleaver we are a sexually repressed society even though we like to believe otherwise.



mistoferin -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:11:48 AM)

Certainly I can see that. Gosh, children have been resenting their parents decisions since the beginning of time.

It is often easy to resent a decision that is made for us after the fact...but we can never really know how we would feel if we had to deal with the alternative instead. Even in the case of your son, if the parents had chosen not to have the procedure done and your boy instead had to deal with whatever the reason that made it necessary to do in the first place....how would he have felt then. Or if in the case they opted for a partial....only to find out that later in life he continued to have problems and had to have it done as an adult?



SugarMyChurro -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:20:42 AM)

Cutting off the foreskin is genital mutilation. I oppose the practice.

Nature made everyone beautiful in their own way, leave it alone.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:28:42 AM)

WOW

All this over a Piece of Skin the Jews have been cutting off for THOUSANDS of years.

Most people that aren't completely Narsisistic Don't EVER think about it again. Those who have it thier entire life eventually learn that not everyone does just as those who don't have it learn that some do. Personally I like the Hygenic Factor of it cause no offense with the laws in the US I really don't want to end up in Jail because I was teaching my son how to keep his pecker clean.

In my opinion here is what it comes down to Untill the midget is 18 his ass is mine and since I am responsible for every STUPID thing he does till he is 18 (Or 24 if he goes to college here in the states) I am gunna have him how I think it is best for him. And since Circumcision is SIMPLE and Virtually Painless to child after the SECOND DAY and crcumsision as an ADULT can cause pain for and entire MONTH (Ask any doctor who has had an adult patient) I am going or eer in the side of caution and make that decision before he can talk and so since I don't have one and I know a horror story of someone who did I paid the nearly $400 and had my midget clipped.

Don't like it? Well be glad you ain't my kid.

Steel



kittinSol -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:33:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

In my opinion here is what it comes down to Untill the midget is 18 his ass is mine and since I am responsible for every STUPID thing he does till he is 18 (Or 24 if he goes to college here in the states) I am gunna have him how I think it is best for him.



You do not own your children.



MissMorrigan -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:36:29 AM)

No, of course he doesn't, but the law does back him up in making such decisions for his children. Hopefully, there will come a time when such operations will need the consent of someone over the age of 18 unless it's on medical grounds - and I'm not referring to having it done in the Princess Alexandra either [:D]



parttimehotty -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:42:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Got to go. The sun is shining and the women will be down by the harbour, haldf undressed or even less and I'm going to pull my foreskin over my head and whistle down the hole just to impress them.[:D]


stay downwind.....



To quote a famous, respected CM'er....
**Snort, snort, snicker, snicker**!![sm=alien.gif]Op has a stinky winky!



Aneirin -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:43:04 AM)

So, if nature is capable of creating perfection and has been perfecting it's designs since the beginning, why is there a medical need for circumcision to be carried out ?

Could it be that the medics think they know more about nature's creations than nature ?

Or is it that a natural penis is on occaisions, flawed in design ?

I understand after some serious grilling of parents, I was cut for medical reason, something about the skin being too tight at birth. Amongst my peers, at the time I was becoming aware, I was the odd ball, the one that was weird.



BBWnNC72 -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:43:45 AM)

i agree with Steel.  Untill my child leaves when they are old enough, they are mine, they will listen to what i say and will do what i tell them to do.. i would never do anything to put my kids in harms way emotionally or physically, all i do is for their own good, even though right now i am the most evil bitch in the US.  It is my job as a parent to make sure they make it to adult hood with brain's, wisdom, the ability to make it, the courage to make it, and the self esteem to make it in this world.
On the cut or uncut thing.  my boys aren't cut. i wanted that and their dad didn't, He got what He wanted. Now my one son has issues, doesnt like to clean it like i have tought him, gets sore and such, often.  i have a feeling that when he is older, he will be having it cut off and at much greater pain then when he was a newborn. 
i also had a friend who's dad had to be cut in his 50's, he didn't enjoy it one bit and said he wished his parents had done it when he couldnt have cared less and healed alot faster.



Zensee -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:44:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DianeB

I'm not your darling and I was not insulting you or anyone else....


Diane


You have insulted the uncircumcised males here. But I guess anteaters don't deserve respect.

Uncut... Because it's their cock dammit and parents should have no right to have it mutilated based on their whim, for their convenience, because 100% of uninformed people also did it, because uncut is "icky" ("Ewwww - it's icky - cut it off cut it OFF!!!") or because because some guy in a frock and clutching a book says it pleases god. Sorry to all the parents here who think they own their kids bodies but you quite simply do NOT. You are their guardians.

And please spare us the "I asked my adult male children if they minded and they said it was OK with them" argument. That one is less than useless. Your kids have nothing to compare the experience to thus their opinion is prejudiced thus is irrelevant.

If preventative neonatal surgery is so great why don't we pull their appendixes, tonsils and adenoids while they are down for the cut? Where does the madness end?


Z.



mistoferin -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:48:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee
Your kids have nothing to compare the experience to thus their opinion is prejudiced thus is irrelevant.


I would have to say that if that is the reasoning we are going to use, the arguments of those who are uncut would be irrelevant also.



Zensee -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:49:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Don't like it? Well be glad you ain't my kid.

Steel


Heh heh heh... guess who's going to be looking after you when you are too old to take care of yourself. Maybe some of your choices and attitudes will come back to haunt you then. Then you can learn the humility of not having choices first hand.

Like kittin said - you don't own your children.


Z.



kittinSol -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:50:15 AM)

Parents have the right to raise their children in a way they see fit, within the constraints of the law. I realise this is a little off tangent, but it makes my blood grow cold when people argue that their children are theirs and that therefore they own them and can do whatever they like. They most probably don't mean that they can harm them, but the philosophy behind it strikes me as wrong. Children are human beings and they have rights: they do not belong to their parents like chattel.

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Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944) was a case in which the Supreme Court held that the government has broad authority to regulate the actions and treatment of children. Parental authority is not absolute and can be permissibly restricted if doing so is in the interests of a child's welfare.



Prince vs. Massachussetts





TJsCheekypet -> RE: Cut or Uncut ? (5/5/2008 10:51:21 AM)

cut or uncut?....either! use it well & *bingo* [:D]



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