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Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and wanna... - 5/5/2008 2:25:41 PM   
MstrObjectmaker


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Hi there,

I was wondering if anybody out there in the real BDSM community has any advice to pass on about dealing with BDSM fakes, wannabes and charlatans.

Because personally I find it is a real downer to always find out after putting alot of effort in to a budgeoning cyber relationship willing it to move beyond and into reality, that infact the person your communicating with is infact not at all interested in moving beyond just cyber and thus fantasie.

The following maybe pretty much Rhetorical questions:

How much time should one waste on someone like that before you give up and move onto the next prospect?

I guess its not that easy to tell?

How much time should it be before the question of asking for their phone number comes up?

Should I know that myself?

It seems to me alot of people just want to swap pics rather than move to something real or is that just me?

What proof do you as real time BDSM people think is appropriate if any of someones reality?

Thank you. Iain.
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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:30:58 PM   
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Are these subs you speak to online from the same state?

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:33:37 PM   
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Just remember that to many here YOU are a fake wannabee.  So before before you go calling others fake.

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:44:08 PM   
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If something doesn't feel right in your gutt or you get the impression that you are wanting different things why stress over it simply walk away. The reality is those we are in contact with here have no obligation  to us. If I talk to someone a few times and we clique in IM discussions I will suggest exchanging numbers and soon after suggest a casual lunch. I am not looking for an online Master/slave relationship and I will not settle for one.
 
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PS the problem with calling someone a wannabe or fake is you don't know their motivations for NOT doing certain things perhaps they just didn't want to move to the next step with you? Plus I was always told remember when pointing a finger at others you have 4 pointing back at you - think about that when calling other's fakes ect.



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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:46:51 PM   
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You're looking online for partners. There's a certain amount of exactly what you are experiencing that you usually must put up with. It's the cost of doing business in cyberspace. If it is presenting a problem for you might I suggest a different strategy. Something bold. Something radical.

Turn off the pc and go out and meet and hang out with other kinky folks. People who are doing this in real time are already doing this in real time, if you know what I mean.

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:47:05 PM   
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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:47:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrObjectmaker

How much time should one waste on someone like that before you give up and move onto the next prospect?

Depends on how far she lives from you. If someone lived within 2 hours of me, I wouldn't give it more than a month. If they're in another state, it may take longer. My advice would be to stick with those who live in your state.

I guess its not that easy to tell?

If someone who lives in your state can't meet you within a month, chances are they're either hiding something (or someone) or they're into the fantasy and not the reality.

How much time should it be before the question of asking for their phone number comes up?

I would wait until after meeting them in person to ask for their number. Women have to be very careful who they give their numbers to because a phone number is all it takes to get an address and then directions to someone's house. Would you want a stranger you had never met knowing where you lived?

Should I know that myself?

The fact that one can get an address and directions to someone's house from a phone number is pretty common knowledge.

It seems to me alot of people just want to swap pics rather than move to something real or is that just me?

It's not just you. Many wankers troll this site as well as other bdsm sites. Same with yahoo chatrooms. Wankerville USA.

What proof do you as real time BDSM people think is appropriate if any of someones reality?

A willingness to meet in person within a short time.

Thank you. Iain.


Another idea would be to attend munches and play parties in your area. That way you meet in person right away.

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:48:54 PM   
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Off topic:
Steel I love your qoute.

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:50:59 PM   
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I've been called a fake for saying politely- no thanks, not my type for whatever reason. I'm very very real! And even if it progresses more, to the point of swapping numbers then realising there is a compatability problem- whatever I say, I do occasionally get accused of leading people on.

My idea of a fake is someone who isnt actually seeking what they say they are, or are different to the person they present themselves to be. For whatever reason, money scam, they are taking the piss or just into mind-games. It is very difficult to tell, because they may get very invested in fake-them. So there is no real way of telling., as far as I can tell.





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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:56:49 PM   
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He has a valid concern which deserves looking into, your response seems very defensive? People could read between the lines that you have been accused to being a fake? I suspect your syntax was lacking, maybe in you used "consider that YOU could be a fake" then your posting would seem more of a point which I suspect it was  rather than an attack.
 

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 2:58:08 PM   
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oh bla

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:11:25 PM   
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Well some short general thoughts about this:

1. If your main search place is internet you might have big chances that some of them are only looking for cyber. So try changing your serach place: join a local community, go to munches, etc, let them see and know you and let them know youre searching, that way you will know people who plays it for real.

2. Try looking for people in your same CITY. I find very rare talking with a sub in france since im in mexico city, cause to be honest the possibilities that we meet are very few. Eventhough i can try looking for people in other states inside mexico i dont do that, since its complicate to arrange a meet, and have REGULAR meets , since one of us has to take the plain or the bus to see each other (whos gonna pay this trips, how often can they be made, etc knowing people from other states brings up a lot of logistic problems) I dont do cyber cause i rather spend time playing that infron or a laptop :) so i dont take or make any proposal unless they are from my own city (or they visit it).

3. You can let them know youre not looking for cyber. Of course youre gonna be asked for photos (the same way you will liked to see THEIR photos) and some chat, but dont stay there. I Always said to potencial subs that we first have two or 3 chats to make sure that  were looking for same thing, and if we do then we take a coffee in real to keep chatting. If they dont agree or doesnt show up, i simply move to the next one.

I will just add that this cofee thing has been pretty useful, since a LOT of fakers/new actually never showed up (thats why after some experiences,  made the appointment in a cofee near home so i can easily go back home, and always take a book. I never wait more than 20 min in the cofee :D)

In order to take a former sub, several steps have to be done: first we make contact by mail, then we chat, then we meet at a cofee, then other day we play :) after we agree that were looking for, i always stablished a "trial period": a couple of sessions that we play and were sure we look for the same thing. After that trial, then i officially take them as subs. A log way but keeps fakes and unsure people out.

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:14:08 PM   
BrigandDoom


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrObjectmaker

Hi there,

I was wondering if anybody out there in the real BDSM community has any advice to pass on about dealing with BDSM fakes, wannabes and charlatans.

Because personally I find it is a real downer to always find out after putting alot of effort in to a budgeoning cyber relationship willing it to move beyond and into reality, that infact the person your communicating with is infact not at all interested in moving beyond just cyber and thus fantasie.

The bigone here is have you made it clear that you are not looking for an online relationship, but a physical real life relationship? Many have complained in the past, but have often failed to communicate what they desire fully in the first instance.

The following maybe pretty much Rhetorical questions:

How much time should one waste on someone like that before you give up and move onto the next prospect?

How do you quantify wasted time? The person your talking to may seem ideal at first, but once you get to know them they might not be. That doesn't make them a fake, just not compatiable.

I guess its not that easy to tell?

Time and experience helps, even with the genuine fakers who derive pleasure out of winding people up. You will soon learn to see through those who can talk the talk, but are not here for genuine reasons.

How much time should it be before the question of asking for their phone number comes up?

Once you have a good rappor going with the person you ae chatting to and in any other situation the signs are there that the time is right.

Should I know that myself?

Thats elementory.

It seems to me alot of people just want to swap pics rather than move to something real or is that just me?

There are many out there who are interested in the vanity as well as the lifestyle. Dominant wise you may be perfect online, but if you not either physically or visably attractive to them then it's not going work, hell thats life!

What proof do you as real time BDSM people think is appropriate if any of someones reality?

The proof is in the deed and the word of the person you are communicating with at the end of the day. I've spoken to lots of people on collarme, and as a result I have a number of very useful acquaintances online and some real friends I've now met in real life.

Thank you. Iain.


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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:16:03 PM   
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I really don't like the terms wannabe & fake.   It implies accusations, which may or may not be true.  Many people who are labeled wannabees, just maybe don't wannabe with the person who is calling them such. 

For real time meetings, it is probably a much better bet to attend munches, bdsm get-togethers & real time events.  There are a number of bdsm relationships that started out vanilla & moved to more once both parties got to know & trust one another.  I know there is no easy way to tell someone you want to tie them up before you ask them out.  But part of domination can sometimes be the gentle seduction of bringing out of the other party, that which they already want.  There are many people that know their desires at a very young age, but there are many others who don't know what they want until someone gently brings it out of them. 

Some of my first bdsm encounters had to do with the party I was with, taking the initiative to introduce some bondage into the equation.  For instance, while you are in the midst of foreplay, if you grab her gently & firmly by the wrist, & hold them above her head, does she get angry & try to get away?  What does her body language tell you?  Or does she squirm more, moan for more?  Does she yield to what you are doing? 

Of course, the above is something that may take some time.  Or you can always just say when you are in the middle of dating someone that you enjoy tying up women, which may or may not work.

My point is, that no matter what approach you take, finding that special someone is going to take time & energy.  There may be many that you get to know, even in real life, or vanilla situations that just don't fit well with you, whatever the reason.  Even when you meet them in real time, you may find they disappear, or start not answering their phone when you call.  Some people just don't know how to be direct enough to tell you, they don't feel you are a good fit for them.  They may not be comfortable with such a direct approach.  Possibly, they have tried it in their past & found the person they were direct with, couldn't deal with, hence taught them to be less than honest about what they were feeling with regards to the other. 

I have also known people who pretended online because they figured everyone else did.  They feel it is a great way to safely explore something they want, but aren't sure about.  So they hide online.  It sucks that people are less than honest about who they are, but really, that applies to real life as well.  How many women have gone out & met someone they were very attracted to, & become involved with, only to discover many months or even years later, that the object of their affection was married, or that he wasn't a high end financial advisor, but a used car salesman,  or worse, that he had been out of work for months, spending time playing online at home, rather than looking for a job.  I am only using the examples of men, but I am well aware these examples apply to both sexes.  Or how about the Dominant with years of experience, that only has fleeting experience with online play.  Or the submissive who swears she wants to be a slave, but really just wants to bottom.  Or look at the married couples, that even with marriage, each finds out they wanted something else in their partner, or the relationship fails & they end up apart. There are never any guarantees, especially, and thankfully, since most of us have our own free will.

You may never know until you begin to get to know the person, real life, real time, & invest such in the relationsip.  Hopefully, & that is the best we can hope for, is that in time, we will come face to face & become involved with someone who will match what we seek. 

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:37:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrObjectmaker
How much time should one waste on someone like that before you give up and move onto the next prospect?

If you're asking the question, it's already been too long.
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I guess its not that easy to tell?

Actually it tends to be really easy, but you have to get over what you WANT to see first.
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How much time should it be before the question of asking for their phone number comes up?

In person?  An hour.  Online?  Could be five minutes, could be never. 
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Should I know that myself?

You should know what works for you and own the consequences.
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It seems to me alot of people just want to swap pics rather than move to something real or is that just me?

What proof do you as real time BDSM people think is appropriate if any of someones reality?

If you're going into it needing proof, you're already looking for the wrong things.

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:39:20 PM   
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In short:

I use the same bullshit detector I use dealing with people in every other aspect of my life.

There are no clear-cut answers in these things.  You always have to judge, as best you can, in each circumstance.


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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:42:26 PM   
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uninspired.

Try using the search function top right of rindow... This question is asked almost daily. But assuredly weekly.

I was going to stear clear of it this week, but being as I am trying this "be nice" thing... I thought I would share the searchability function with you.

Other than that. I have to say... that being that the method you described using (inet) is the method you are using, You are fighting an uphill battle. If you want to meet real time folk... you might consider going to real time places. The problem as I see it is your playing on the wrong field. You don't play football on a baseball field do you? (well OK so the chargers and a few others do... but how well is that working for them?)

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 3:53:22 PM   
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If you find that this keeps happening over and over again then you just may be the common denominator.  Your selection process probably needs to be adjusted so that you're able to spot "fakes" before you invest too much time. 

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 4:07:18 PM   
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Ooh! Have we got on to the "blokes pretending to be women" bit yet?

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RE: Advice needed in regard to dealing with fakes and w... - 5/5/2008 4:08:57 PM   
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What is the purpose of the first meeting?  I never set the first meeting as a playdate.  In fact, in two cases, the woman wanted to play with me after the first meeting and *I* put the brakes on.

One time I met a woman for breakfast and she said, "You know, the other men I have met from Alt had sent lots of letters to women and received no response, sometimes for years.  Then, when they finally met me, it was as though there was all this repressed desire coming out, focused right at me, and it was like, whoah.  You're a lot more mellow."

When I have travelled, I have tried to do the first meeting at breakfast, so if we like each other we can spend the day together... and maybe we have a playdate that night, after we are actually comfortable with each other.

If people are flaking on you 100% of the time, maybe you are freaking them out with your expectations of what a "meeting" means.


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