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So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 5:38:31 AM

CelticPrince

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I have been away on a 4 wk business trip and upon my review of the posts, I see the norm is continueing,
Subs that indicate they are new to the lifestyle and love it so after 2 or 3 months.
I ponder if they have really tasted the responsibilities that came with that collar. Whether r/t or cyber or a mixture of both, if your Master instructed you to get a webcam and perform for him when instructed to do so.
could you handle using that dildo on yourself for his viewing pleasure?
Have you shared your most personal fantasies with him/her for feedback or realization?

There are many others acts that may face you in the future, can you handle them.

If not, why not?

CP

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 5:56:20 AM

themischievous1

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I know that you're only giving an example but play along a minute, please. Consider me technologically challenged, but I have to ask.

Is there a possibility of the dominant being able to tape these so called "private" web cam sessions you're referring to? In other words, if a brand new, trusting, naive submissive did as she was ordered and "performed" for your or someone else's viewing pleasure, how does she know that the web cam session she just let it all hang out in is secure? How does she know that three or four of the dom's buddies aren't watching the session along with him and that they're all not taking home a taped copy for their own private pleasure after the fact? Or maybe someone will sell their copy on the internet..etc.

I ask because, in my opinion, blind trust is stupid these days, especially with virtual strangers.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 6:03:17 AM

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There's a lot more to a power relationship then just sex. Beyond that, the only way I would have gotten a web cam would have been if he drove up to attach it and get it to work. Some of us are technologically illiterate.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 6:25:21 AM

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Knowing that you can web cam with someone in a way that you are secure with is part of the trust. I don't think tht you should call someone Master unless you do trust that no matter what he asks you to do you can do it without compunction.

CelticPrince, I can give other examples-- until I relocate, we have a limited amount of face time and I get assignments, while some of them are sexual (though not cammed-- I preform them and then give him the details feelings and thoughts that I experienced) some of them are as mundane as researching a topic that he is interested in, scouring the secondhand bookstores for a particular book or brutally purging my belonging so that when he helps move me, there isn't so much work to do (yes, I would have loaded all the boxes on a truck, but when he looked at them and asked if I really wanted to move all of that it gave me the ooompf to downsize).

When I am physically with him I'm not naked and chained to a bed for his sexual pleasure the entire time, I clean and cook and I help in his office... but it works for us because I see the bigger picture, I see that what I do enhances his life and helps him be better in his business, it helps him relax at home which in turn means that he can focus on me when it is play time

Some people are cut out to be a pampered pet, others feel better when they are more utilitarian. I think that knowing oneself and what makes oneself tick and then finding a person that appreciates those qualities in the long run is essential in continuing to be happy far longer then the inital honey moon period.

Ever have one of those days when you have thoughts dancing through your head but you struggle to get them onto the page-- yeah, I'm having one of those days. Excuse my incoherency

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 6:32:26 AM

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When I first came on the scene 7 or so years ago and was new new new, I knew little about what was expected initially (omg I think I have made no progress in all this time) besides the fact I desired to travel in this direction. I talked to dom online who wanted naked pictures, being nieve I sent them. The relationship did not last very long, as I found he knew little about being a dom and suspected he was just a player looking for gratification online. He was pissed at me for ending this, and several months later I read his profile which in its contents he stated that he had alot of naked pictures of women that he would share with others. From that day onward I was leary. I talked to another man online who wanted to do the webcam thing, said he would broadcast it out to his business associates. Another be warned red flag event.

I am certain now that I would and will not expose myself through any medium prior to the relationship being established and the trust factor in place. People are just too weird, and technology out there can be hi-jacked far to easy for my level of comfort.

But back to the original question, if its agreed that a relationship is going forward, we have met realtime and it is in my mind to submit to said Master, than that is what I do.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 6:33:29 AM

KyttynTheMynx

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quote:

ORIGINAL: themischievous1

I know that you're only giving an example but play along a minute, please. Consider me technologically challenged, but I have to ask.

Is there a possibility of the dominant being able to tape these so called "private" web cam sessions you're referring to? In other words, if a brand new, trusting, naive submissive did as she was ordered and "performed" for your or someone else's viewing pleasure, how does she know that the web cam session she just let it all hang out in is secure? How does she know that three or four of the dom's buddies aren't watching the session along with him and that they're all not taking home a taped copy for their own private pleasure after the fact? Or maybe someone will sell their copy on the internet..etc.

I ask because, in my opinion, blind trust is stupid these days, especially with virtual strangers.

Pardon the hijack, but yes there is a program on plenty of websites that allows you to record whats on a webcam. I downloaded one once to see what its functions and stuff were. They are also available for free depending on who programmed it, so its pretty easy to get a copy of. Sad, but true.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 6:39:39 AM

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KyttynTheMynx, yes the applications that do this sort of thing are plenty. I have one that records everything that is going on on the desktop that I use when making tutorials. They are not expensive and they work like a charm, but I don't use them to record others peoples information, as that goes against my principals and is punishable by law here in Canada. It is not hard to awaken a beast that I don't think anyone wants knocking at their door up this way.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 6:40:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aleshaDreams

I am certain now that I would and will not expose myself through any medium prior to the relationship being established and the trust factor in place. People are just too weird, and technology out there can be hi-jacked far to easy for my level of comfort.

Even here Alesha I would caution be careful. Too many ex Girlfriends and Wives are finding their intimate pictures on the web, you know the ones they took so they and SO could enjoy them later? Great blackmail or revenge for a divorce or break-up. It's one thing that I haven't worried about since my kids were UM's as I have been out all of my life, bosses had a clue at work, so did the kids, etc., but an awful lot of women in the throes of passion don't stop to think how those pics are going to look in a custody battle for the house or kids. Judges don't care that he took them, they care that SHE may continue and warp the kids.

poenkitten

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 7:06:35 AM

tahlly

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I believe that someone already mentioned that relationships are not just ‘sex based or based upon sexuality”.

I live with my owner yet, I can say quite honestly that our relationship is not a sexual one; it is more service based. Sometimes…and very rarely sometimes…he does use me for sexual reasons; but he has other girls for that; of which I am quite content with.

This however, does not mean that he is not privy to all my fantasies; sexual and otherwise J Nor does it mean that on occasion he does go to great lengths to fulfill one or two; here and there J Over the years I have done things for him that I never would have thought possible; both sexual and non-sexual. What’s more, I am sure that the future will hold many more instances of such behavior. I have no issues with following what is desired by him. As to whether or not I will be able to ‘handle’ them; I have in the past; and I can only hope to do so in the future.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 7:53:18 AM

aleshaDreams

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BlackPhx, your response is noted and appreciated. Thank you , ad.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 7:54:39 AM

TreasureKY

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OMG! I'm supposed to masturbate on webcam for him and provide a detailed description of my fantasies for his analysis?

This isn't in the handbook! Why didn't anyone tell me?

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 8:49:26 AM

MladyHathor

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if I have a Master then it means one too many glasses of wine on that last ebay bid thinking it meant mix master! Welcome back CP, you've been missed.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 9:32:40 AM

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quote:

I've been away on a 4 wk business trip and upon my review of the posts, I see the norm is continueing,
Subs that indicate they are new to the lifestyle and love it so after 2 or 3 months.
I ponder if they have really tasted the responsibilities that came with that collar. Whether r/t or cyber or a mixture of both, if your Master instructed you to get a webcam and perform for him when instructed to do so.
could you handle using that dildo on yourself for his viewing pleasure?

Have you shared your most personal fantasies with him/her for feedback or realization?

You use the word "Master", yet your example is of specific acts--and a rather limited range of specific acts, at that.

There is so much more to a M/s (remember, you used the word "Master"-- not 'Dom' or 'Top') relationship than just having the sub expose herself (and, why do you assume the submissive is necessarily female? There are male subs, too. Yet, your example is of a sub using a 'dildo for his viewing pleasure'...

I don't think you really understand what a D/s or M/s relationship is.

While My submissive and I (and W/we've been together for four months, as of today) have fantasized about being in front of a live audience, having her perform on webcam (where the performance could be recorded by random strangers) isn't something that interests Me (or her) in the least. O/our relationship is about trust, and the joy W/we take in each O/other. I don't need the approval of a bunch of faceless folks on the web, to feel that I have power over her.

Give this some thought, and you just might start to 'get' it...

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 9:40:59 AM

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I am not sure I get this. I have no problem masturbating in front of a mate, but what is the point of doing it on webcam when you are face to face? Ok.. let's say he is out of town, why is "performing" the indicator of submitting? There are way too many bozos out there who call themselves master and use that method to get some their wank material for later use. I do not get why people would do that if only in a cyber relationship. You never know where that vid might end up, and you can see that all over the net. If it is a mixture of real and cyber, then I would hope that you really know where it ends up.
A persons responsibility is to themselves and their future. And to someone else when you are living face to face and they become your future. Cyberly.. that doesn't make a lot of sense to me, whether it is for a master, dominant, or what ever. Sharing fantasies in person.. THAT is another thing entirely. People come to those as they happen. Wanking is mutual, onsite, and very pleasurable.
Kyst

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 9:48:18 AM

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LMAO.. you know, when I read this I immediately thought of some sort of reciprocation. Like, the dominant demands that the sub perform online or on cam for him, the sub should have an equal leverage for the future. And it would have to be comparable in a real world sense so that there could be no benefit to either to use those records for revenge.
Something like..
She would masturbate, or whip herself, or what ever..
And the male would, dress up in a leotard and tutu, put on makeup and sing "happy birthday mr president" in a Monroe sort of way.
After all, no one cares if a man is caught masturbating on cam.. <g> but a tutu.. might make it worthwhile.
Kyst

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Even here Alesha I would caution be careful. Too many ex Girlfriends and Wives are finding their intimate pictures on the web, you know the ones they took so they and SO could enjoy them later? Great blackmail or revenge for a divorce or break-up.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 9:56:54 AM

Owner4SexSlave

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Even here Alesha I would caution be careful. Too many ex Girlfriends and Wives are finding their intimate pictures on the web, you know the ones they took so they and SO could enjoy them later? Great blackmail or revenge for a divorce or break-up. It's one thing that I haven't worried about since my kids were UM's as I have been out all of my life, bosses had a clue at work, so did the kids, etc., but an awful lot of women in the throes of passion don't stop to think how those pics are going to look in a custody battle for the house or kids. Judges don't care that he took them, they care that SHE may continue and warp the kids.

poenkitten

Reading things like this remind me of how uptight the US is compared many parts of Europe when it comes to sexuality. Hell, even Japan. However, people can twist up their Kids with all kinds of Violence on TV, Video games and etc..

I think if there was less shame about Sex in our culture people would be a lot better, but that's my two cents on the subject.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 9:58:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

quote:

ORIGINAL: aleshaDreams

I am certain now that I would and will not expose myself through any medium prior to the relationship being established and the trust factor in place. People are just too weird, and technology out there can be hi-jacked far to easy for my level of comfort.

Even here Alesha I would caution be careful. Too many ex Girlfriends and Wives are finding their intimate pictures on the web, you know the ones they took so they and SO could enjoy them later? Great blackmail or revenge for a divorce or break-up. It's one thing that I haven't worried about since my kids were UM's as I have been out all of my life, bosses had a clue at work, so did the kids, etc., but an awful lot of women in the throes of passion don't stop to think how those pics are going to look in a custody battle for the house or kids. Judges don't care that he took them, they care that SHE may continue and warp the kids.

poenkitten

Sadly it's not only in this sort of situation that naked pics can be misused. I briefly hooked up with a "dom" - and i use this term loosely - who took pics of me with his digital camera while we were playing. We got into an arguement, or rather he picked a fight, and the next thing i knew he was threatening to put them up all over the hospital i work at. The chances that i will do this again are nil as are the chances that i will go on cam naked. Assuming i ever learn how to hook up my cam, it will only be used to chat "face-to-face" with someone i've met who lives far away.

Phoenix

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 10:27:04 AM

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reply in general: back to reiterate that I would not do this without the trust factor in place, which of course is created over time. Many people expose themselves at play parties whether those are private or public, not a whole lot of difference there even if cell phones are not allowed who knows if someone has one or not. I try not to be paranoid and lord knows I have many reasons to be discrete in all I do, but shall we all be bothered to live within that box for fear of what so and so will do to us. The idea of having some sort of retaliatory evidence to protect myself is an interesting idea, however I strongly believe that what goes around comes around, and have seen this occurance over and over again. When someone enters my life and I theirs under the gist of D/s it is my idea that I either give it all or nothing otherwise I might as well stay within the vanilla world and continue to be suppressed with endless morals that feed their own contradictions. I guess I am just thinking out loud here, and this is only my view point. I like calling bluffs and seeing where they transpire, as more often than not they end up slapping the bluffer in the face one way or another regardless if it is the truth or not. Life is wonderful at teaching us lessons, we will all learn eventually ...... yes I believe in destiny being charted... I have had too many things repeat until they became right.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 12:03:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

OMG! I'm supposed to masturbate on webcam for him and provide a detailed description of my fantasies for his analysis?

This isn't in the handbook! Why didn't anyone tell me?

Tsk, tsk...see what happens when you play hooky and miss a class day? You don't get the WRITTEN notes.

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RE: So Now you have a Master?????? - 5/7/2008 12:04:57 PM

Missokyst

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We started out with a bunch of puritans.. do you really think that will happen any time soon? Until it does (and hell freezes over) we got, what we got. And should be prepared to deal with the consequences if we do assinine stuff along the way.
Kyst

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

Reading things like this remind me of how uptight the US is compared many parts of Europe when it comes to sexuality. Hell, even Japan. However, people can twist up their Kids with all kinds of Violence on TV, Video games and etc..

I think if there was less shame about Sex in our culture people would be a lot better, but that's my two cents on the subject.

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pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding ~Gibran, Kahlil

“The truth is, everyone is going to hurt you. You just got to find the ones worth suffering for.”
― Bob Marley

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