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Thats just the thing though, so many new coming into WIITWD only get confronted by the 'what' of the play aspect... which for many isn't 'the important bit', just icing on the cake. They get misled into thinking the play is the be all and end all of it rather than the why that comes with a working Dynamic.

What I was questioning was that if those more experienced only give lightweight, wankfodder examples when discussing what new folks are likely to face then isn't that just making the problem worse... creating more playbunnies who haven't had the opportunity to learn about the actual Dynamic, about actual submission.... it is more than just being a willing warm body to be beaten on!

ETA: And My personal experience is that many newbies come in expecting the play s

ide, nervious about it certainly but often in play frenzy wanting to try just about everything except a couple of personal things that squick them out.... What they actualy find difficult is when they run into someone who is actualy Dominant rather than a playbunny, someone who expects obedience, who does hold them within the rules and bounderies set and for whom it isn't just a game.

We do come from different cultures though and maybe the newbies over that side of the pond are coming in with differing expectations and reactions from the ones over here?

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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Anyone dumbass enough to submit to an unkown quantity online deserves what they get.


Leatherist,

I disagree with that blanket statment. Many come to the path very damaged from a long time effort that went south, because they are vulnerable does not make them a dumbass.

CP


People who are so seriously lacking in common sense are going to get sucked into tons of scams dude.

There's one born every minute.

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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

Reading things like this remind me of how uptight the US is compared many parts of Europe when it comes to sexuality.   Hell, even Japan.   However, people can twist up their Kids with all kinds of Violence on TV, Video games and etc.. 

I think if there was less shame about Sex in our culture people would be a lot better, but that's my two cents on the subject.

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You cannot make a difference in naive and stupid people, they have to learn or die.

You have a white knight complex, this is masochistic. You cannot externally force a pattern change.

Many people who fall prey to users are simpy going to keep doing it until they realize what patterns bring them there.

They must suffer to learn-some many times..

If you think that these sorts will actually take heed of good advice-then you are even more naive than they are. It doesn't work that way. It has to hurt enough that they finally remember.