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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 10:15:28 AM   
Smith117


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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You can show me several stories where cops shot someone for not removing
their hands from their pockets huh? Okay show me. By the way, nice try
adding the use of a tazer in there, but it's not even remotely the same
thing as using a firearm.


Actually, many activists would disagree with you. Everyone's up in arms
right now about the lethal potential of the tazer. Some see them as one
and the same if the end result is possibly death.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You've had 9 traffic ticckets in a 5 year time span? I can see why you
don't care that cops break the law. You break the law, so why shouldn't
they, right? For the record my charge was bullshit. It didn't even go
to trial, because the prosecuting attorney knew it was a bullshit
charge. I wasn't breaking any laws, and I don't break the law now. I
haven't had a traffic ticket since 1999, and that was for expired tags.
I guess you think it's okay to endanger the public by violating the law
in your car, and by allowing the police to employ triogger-happy thugs
to run the streets.


Mine didn't go to trial either. I guess they were BS just like yours
supposedly was. Therefore, I endangered no one.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I have no problem with a police officer using reasonable force to
disable a suspect. It is not reasonable to beat the hell out of a man
laying on the ground in handcuffs. You made the argument that police
officer should get some sort of pass on criminal behavior because they
have a dangerous job.


No, actually I said the cops should get a pass because they are after
maniacs, and must therefore to some extent become a civilized version of
that which they try to fight. You don't send a flower child to stop a
killer, you send another killer. You don't send a mouse to fight a
snake, you send your own snake. Same thing here. The crime rate in this
country isn't getting any better, and all we are doing is tying the
hands of the very people we turn to for protection. If I buy an attack
dog to guard my house, I don't want him to hump the leg of a someone who
breaks in at 2 am. I want him to rip the guy apart, because I know that
more than likely, his intentions in my home were not 'pleasant.'

I never said they should "get a pass because they have a dangerous job."
But in the article, it said everyone there has been "on edge" since the
one officer was killed mercilessly. If you KNOW the cops in your area
are "on edge," are you seriously going to be an ass for no reason when
one pulls you over?

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
The use of logical fallacies is not an appeal to intelligence.


Exactly my point. I used what was deserved after gauging my target. It
was never my intention to 'win' any argument with you because I learned
long ago that when someone holds a ridiculous point of view that makes
zero sense whatsoever, arguing with them is pointless. So I did the only
thing I felt would make me feel better after reading your ridiculous
words. I pointed out the sheer stupidity of blaming the cops because
they willingly took a "dangerous job."

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 10:16:51 AM   
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The hell you didn't.


No, I didn't.  I never said such a thing.  I said they don't have a right to shoot you for refusing such an order.  They may very well get away with it.  I'm fully aware that they get away with criminal behavior all the time, and that they lie about it in their reports.  You live in Memphis, so you know about the assholes across the river killing that kid.  As far as I am concerned, they shouldn't have gotten away with it, but they did.  I was happy to see that a couple of West Memphis' finest will be going on trial for emptying their guns into the car of that woman they chased over the river bridge.  She didn't comply, so I guess they had a right to empty their weapons into the car, huh?  Well thank God someone in the legal system didn't agree with that notion. 

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 10:19:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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I didn't see that the guy onthe ground had been handcuffed.. maybe I missed something?

not justifying their actions.. but my thought is if some fuckwad is going to shoot a cop, why would they hesitate shooting you? your parents? your child?


The police are all that really stand between us and a lot of real unpleasantness. I'm glad that we have them to do that job.

hear hear!

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 10:26:23 AM   
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Because that guy was working for ME, and I had to respect that.

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 10:46:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Yeah folks, you should just give up your rights completely because a
police officer says so. Hell, let them come into your house without a
warrant and go through your things. Let them beat the hell out of you
or kill your family because they are the "man" after all.


Oh boy....here we go. And you want to talk to ME about logical
fallacies. Suddenly because we follow the legal instructions of a cop,
the next step is them bursting into our homes with no warrants and
killing our families?

Hmmm......let me try a little of your type of logic....

So we don't have to obey the cops hmmm? So when the one with the whistle
and white gloves tells me to stop at an intersection, I should just
drive right on through into the other cars? And when one flags me down
outside a bank and says there's robbers inside and not to go in, I
should ignore him and head right on in to deposit my check?

Interesting way too look at it.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I never advised anyone here to not comply with a order to take your
hands out of your pocket. I simply said that it would be illegal for a
police officer to shoot you or beat the hell out of you over it. You
have every right to complain or assert yourself if you believe a police
officer is overstepping their authority. It's not about making it
difficult for the police, it's about asserting my rights as an American
citizen. I am not a vassel of the state. If a police officer tells me
to do something, they better have a good reason for it.


Your right to 'assert yourself' ends when you threaten the cop's or the
public's safety. And if you are being non-compliant and the officer
can't see your hands, his desire to see his family that night dictates
that he assume the worst. That is what cops are trained to do, assume
and prepare for the worst possible eventuality, because the moment they
hesitate is the moment they do not go home to their familes that night.

On another note, could you point me to the article in the Bill of Rights
that says you have the right not to do what a duly appointed law
enforcement officer says you should to? Alumbrado said it best. The time
to debate the law is not when a cop is telling you what to do, it's
later in court.

As a matter of fact, one of the citations I got once was just such an
occurance. The cop, being a little bit too prickish in my opinion, asked
me why I ran a red light. His tone suggested he wasn't interested in my
answer, nor was he interested in hearing that the light was, in fact,
yellow and not red. So, I said to him "Don't worry about it, we'll
discuss it in court." Soon after, I was outside my vehicle, hands behind
my back, getting frisked. He turned me around, talking about my attitude
and whether or not I wanted to go to jail. Can you guess what I did
then? I shut the F--- up and didn't give him another reason to do
anything else. Wanna know the result? I went home that night with a
ticket. I wasn't beaten to death. He didn't drag me home and search my
house. He didn't even search my car. He gave me my tickets and I was on
my way. Because I didn't give him any more reason to be a prick. Wanna
know what else? My lawyer and I *did* go to court and got all those
citations thrown out. Never even saw a trial.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
He didn't say that. He said it wasn't as dangerous compared to other
jobs, and he is right. The point has been made by others here too. A
lot of people have dangerous, stressful jobs but they don't use their
stress as an excuse to brutalize others and break the law.


Are you kidding me? No one in this world takes responsibility for their
actions. If a UM shoots up a school, the video games and bullies drove
him to it. If a lady spills coffee on herself, she sues the restaurant
for burning her. EVERYONE uses excuses to break the law. He was late, so
he drove 90 mph into a family of 4. It wasn't *his* fault, they were
driving too slowly. She wasn't paying attention, so she drove into a
store front. It wasn't *her* fault, those gas pedals are just too small.


I think if there were *ever* a "good" excuse for being a little jumpy,
it would be serving as a cop knowing that people hate you and want to
make your job and life as difficult as possible, while simultaneously
crying out for your protection and asking where you were everytime
someone is victimized.

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 11:53:51 AM   
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Actually, many activists would disagree with you. Everyone's up in arms
right now about the lethal potential of the tazer. Some see them as one
and the same if the end result is possibly death.


Uh, where are these several examples you promised? 

quote:

No, actually I said the cops should get a pass because they are after
maniacs, and must therefore to some extent become a civilized version of
that which they try to fight. You don't send a flower child to stop a
killer, you send another killer. You don't send a mouse to fight a
snake, you send your own snake. Same thing here. The crime rate in this
country isn't getting any better, and all we are doing is tying the
hands of the very people we turn to for protection. If I buy an attack
dog to guard my house, I don't want him to hump the leg of a someone who
breaks in at 2 am. I want him to rip the guy apart, because I know that
more than likely, his intentions in my home were not 'pleasant. 


Yeah, everyone the cops deal with are maniacs.    "You send a killer to catch killers", huh?  That's beautiful, why don't we just allow the police to form death squads?  Hell, we could save all that money from the costs of that pesky notion of due process. 

The world is not as black and white as it is in those Sly Stallone movies you like to quote.  How many people have been killed by police officers in the last 5 years for having a candy bar in their hand or a wallet?  Sometimes the commands of police officers don't get heard by these people because they are scared.  Because there is background noise (like sirens).  Because the police officer is screaming to the point of being inaudible.  But, that's okay right?  We just allow them to empty their guns into people because they are scared? 

I hate to break it to you, but the crime rate has gone down in the last 20 years.  If you would read the statistics instead of believing what you see on the television and papers, you'd know that.  The fear of criminals in this country is mostly a result of alarmism created by the media.  There are not legions of psychopaths running around the country killing cops left and right.  The reason cops often overreact in these incidences is because of poor training.  Most police departments only require a GED to get hired.  They put them through an academy where they are bombarded with this idea that it's them against the public.  They don't pay them very well, so they often have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for applicants. 

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 12:52:00 PM   
Smith117


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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Uh, where are these several examples you promised?


Uh, do your own research. I'm at work and can't exactly paste hyperlinks
using a blackberry.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Yeah, everyone the cops deal with are maniacs.


Not everyone, no. But there does seem to be an increasing frequency.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
"You send a killer to catch killers", huh? That's beautiful, why don't
we just allow the police to form death squads? Hell, we could save all
that money from the costs of that pesky notion of due process.


Works for me. I'm tired of seeing killers get 3 years or slaps on the
wrist when everyone knows they were guilty as sin. I'm tired of the lame
"insanity" defense that sets killers loose on the world when they
shouldn't be in it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
The world is not as black and white as it is in those Sly Stallone
movies you like to quote. How many people have been killed by police
officers in the last 5 years for having a candy bar in their hand or a
wallet? Sometimes the commands of police officers don't get heard by
these people because they are scared. Because there is background noise
(like sirens). Because the police officer is screaming to the point of
being inaudible. But, that's okay right? We just allow them to empty
their guns into people because they are scared?


You know something. When a cop is yelling in your direction with a gun
drawn....chance are he doesn't want a debate on the price of gas and its
effects on the US economy. Why is it so hard to simply throw up your
hands and drop down when confronted by the cops? Here's another tale for
you....when I was in the service, I was watching TV when a loud dorm
fight broke out. I ran upstairs to see what was up and got there only
moments before a cop with a K9 unit showed up. The MOMENT I saw that dog
and officer come around the corner, I threw up my hands and stepped out
of the way. Guess what, NOTHING happened to me. I wasn't mistaken for
one of the fighters, nor was I needlessly subjected to any form of harm.
I saw the cop and got the heck out of the way. I didn't try and debate
with him on the need for his dog to be there or how he didn't have to
respond at all. I made myself NOT a threat to him. Why is that so hard
these days? Why is it the cop's fault that he feels threatened by a
combative individual who has his hands in his pockets and is refusing to
obey the cop?

It isn't rocket science. People just need to own up for their own
stupidity.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I hate to break it to you, but the crime rate has gone down in the last
20 years. If you would read the statistics instead of believing what
you see on the television and papers, you'd know that. The fear of
criminals in this country is mostly a result of alarmism created by the
media. There are not legions of psychopaths running around the country
killing cops left and right.


And your wonderful stats are where?

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Most police departments only require a GED to get hired. They put them
through an academy where they are bombarded with this idea that it's
them against the public. They don't pay them very well, so they often
have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for applicants.


Here's where your misinformation knows NO bounds. Most departments
require college to even get in the door. The only way they waive the
college hours requirement is if you have extensive military experience.

And as for your suggestion of what they are taught in the
academy.....what class did you go through again?

That's what I thought.

Gwyn, would you please enlighten this individual for me? I changed my
mind about being a cop long before I got to the academy part. I lost my
zeal for protecting the 'public' when it includes people like this guy.

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 3:32:42 PM   
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And your wonderful stats are where?


The FBI's uniform crime report.  Here you go, since you are incapable of actually looking up facts:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

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Works for me. I'm tired of seeing killers get 3 years or slaps on the
wrist when everyone knows they were guilty as sin. I'm tired of the lame
"insanity" defense that sets killers loose on the world when they
shouldn't be in it.


Again you are watching too much television.  Killers very rarely get 3 years or slaps on the wrist.  The insanity defense almost never works, and that includes instances where people have borderline IQ's toward mental retardation. 

quote:

Here's where your misinformation knows NO bounds. Most departments
require college to even get in the door. The only way they waive the
college hours requirement is if you have extensive military experience.

And as for your suggestion of what they are taught in the
academy.....what class did you go through again?

That's what I thought.


No, you're dead wrong.  You don't know what you're talking about.  Yes, some big city police departments do require around 30-60 college hours.  That's not a degree, that's about two years of college.  Big cities can afford to do that.  Most people live in cities under 200,000.  Most cities in The United States do not require anything more than a high school equilivalency.  If you don't believe me, go check out the hiring requirements on smaller police department websites around the country.  I too considered working in the criminal justice system.  It was my original major in college before I switched it.  I still kept it as my minor, and I was offered jobs by police departments and with the Arkansas Department of Corrections.  I actually went through the hiring process with ADC, before I found out how shitty of a job it was.  So I turned their offer down.  I wasn't going to waste my education on a job that only required a GED.  I took several off campus courses at the police academy here as electives for my criminal justice courses. 

So what were you thinking again?

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 3:55:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
The FBI's uniform crime report.  Here you go, since you are incapable of actually looking up facts:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm


Oh I can look things up just fine. I just wanted to make sure you can do the same, since I'm not doing your work for you.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Again you are watching too much television.  Killers very rarely get 3 years or slaps on the wrist.  The insanity defense almost never works, and that includes instances where people have borderline IQ's toward mental retardation. 


Ohhhhhhhh wanna bet a dollar? Apparently you don't watch the news, at least not here anyway. Several moms have drowned or killed their UMs.....insane, no trial. We have nearly 100 CONVICTED KILLERS in this city who are not in jail. The news just did a huge piece on it. They got PROBATION. It's all on the public information sites to back up the articles too, since I know you're going to claim the news is made up.....(or is that just where the cops are concerned?).

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
No, you're dead wrong.  You don't know what you're talking about.  Yes, some big city police departments do require around 30-60 college hours.  That's not a degree, that's about two years of college.  Big cities can afford to do that.  Most people live in cities under 200,000.  Most cities in The United States do not require anything more than a high school equilivalency.  If you don't believe me, go check out the hiring requirements on smaller police department websites around the country.  I too considered working in the criminal justice system.  It was my original major in college before I switched it.  I still kept it as my minor, and I was offered jobs by police departments and with the Arkansas Department of Corrections.  I actually went through the hiring process with ADC, before I found out how shitty of a job it was.  So I turned their offer down.  I wasn't going to waste my education on a job that only required a GED.  I took several off campus courses at the police academy here as electives for my criminal justice courses. 

So what were you thinking again?


I was just thinking "wrong wrong wrong, he's wrong again."

I applied to the police department in SEVERAL places here before I changed my mind. NONE of which were "major cities." In fact, the one major city, is the ONE department I didn't apply to.

Also, even if they say you can "test" with a high school diploma, your chances of getting in are SLIM to none, because I guarantee you someone will have some college or a degree and you ain't gonna make the cut. In one city I applied in, I had college hours, military experience AND I practically aced the exam......and still I came in 5th in the ranking. And they only had 4 slots that cycle. (How far down the ranking list do you suppose the GED people were?)

In just about every department here, if you have only a GED, they will laugh at you and tell you to go to college. Of course, that assumes your bit about the major cities vs. not major cities was valid, because it's not. I never applied to a major city's department and I saw that everywhere I went had the same requirement.

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 5:14:50 PM   
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Oh I can look things up just fine. I just wanted to make sure you can do the same, since I'm not doing your work for you.


Sure you did. 

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I was just thinking "wrong wrong wrong, he's wrong again."

I applied to the police department in SEVERAL places here before I changed my mind. NONE of which were "major cities." In fact, the one major city, is the ONE department I didn't apply to.

Also, even if they say you can "test" with a high school diploma, your chances of getting in are SLIM to none, because I guarantee you someone will have some college or a degree and you ain't gonna make the cut. In one city I applied in, I had college hours, military experience AND I practically aced the exam......and still I came in 5th in the ranking. And they only had 4 slots that cycle. (How far down the ranking list do you suppose the GED people were?)

In just about every department here, if you have only a GED, they will laugh at you and tell you to go to college. Of course, that assumes your bit about the major cities vs. not major cities was valid, because it's not. I never applied to a major city's department and I saw that everywhere I went had the same requirement


A preference for some college credit is not the same thing as requiring someone to have a 4 year degree.  The entirety of the United States does not lay between the Rio Grande and Texarkana.  I know that's a difficult thing for Texans to accept, but different places do things differently.  I live in a town with 35,000 people.  I know a lot of  the guys that work on the local city police department and the county sherrif's office.  They don't have 4 year degrees.  The State Police here don't require it.  They certainly encourage it, and they will pay you more if you have a degree.  But, it's not a requirement.  They couldn't hire enough people if they required it. 

I've lived in other places around the country, and very few of those places require a 4 year degree to work at a police department.  The education issue came up in the mid '90s with the New Orleans Police Department.  It was widely accepted that low pay and low hiring requirements are what caused a lot of that department's corruption. 

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 5:24:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You can show me several stories where cops shot someone for not removing
their hands from their pockets huh? Okay show me.


Well, lets start with something  you surely learned in your CJ and police academy acquisition of legal expertise on deadly force.... Say, the 4th amendment, and the the USSC case that I suspect most officers sign off on before they are even allowed onto the range, much less the streets with a firearm.

( Now normally, I would link to the cites for what I'm referring to, but given your claims to be so well educated on the topic, I won't insult your intelligence by naming landmark Supreme Court decisions that you already know and recognize, or by linking to Lexis articles you no doubt already have at your fingertips. )


Remember this one?
The Fourth Amendment prohibits the use of deadly force... unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others
 
And we'll also save you the trouble of wracking your brain for the factual definition of 'probable cause'... it is any information, observation, or set of circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a crime is being, has been, or will be committed.
 
Don't forget, that is in the context of the 'totality of the cicumstances' and 'reasonableness' standards, that I'm sure you've just momentarily forgotten.
 
"...practical people formulated certain common-sense conclusions about human behavior; jurors as factfinders are permitted to do the same - and [snip]   so are law enforcement officers. Finally, the evidence thus collected must be seen and weighed not in terms of library analysis by scholars, but as understood by those versed in the field of law enforcement."
 
 
So back to your blanket assertion that there are no circumstances under which any police officer can legally shoot someone for refusing to show their hands, or otherwise comply with commands.
 
 
Besides the Pagan case, and the Detroit case, and the Douglas County case, and the Tampa case, and the Chicago teen, there were the Pittsburgh and Homestead cases where the police merely arrested the subject for refusing to comply with orders to produce his hands from his pockets slowly... or to put it another way, for following your legal advice that no one has to comply.
 
So oddly enough, neither law enforcement or the courts seem to have learned as much on the matter as you claim to.
 
 
 
 
 


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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 5:53:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am well aware of the cort cases you mentioned Aumbrado.  I never gave any legal advice to anyone about refusing to take their hands out of their pockets.  You can say I did all you want, I didn't.  I said the police do not have a right to use deadly force for failure to comply with a command like that.  Totality of circumstances means there actually has to be other things in play besides simply a refusal to remove hands from pockets.  Like I said earlier, some poor mentally retarded guy was killed by a state trooper not to long ago for the same reason.  He wasn't a criminal, and he wasn't a psycho.  He had the mind of a child, and he didn't understand.  Along came some overzealous trooper with a shotgun, and bam the poor guy's dead.  The trooper went to prison for it. 

This argument is beginning to bore me.  The cops in the video (remember the one that started this thread) have all been suspended.  The legal experts expect they will be charged in criminal court.  So they are getting what they deserve, and apparently the Philadephia PD and the local DA agree with that. 

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 6:32:35 PM   
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In the real world, if the police have a reasonable belief that they are in danger they can use deadly force... re the case you 'are well aware of' even though it debunks your claims. 


Refusing to take one's hands out of one's pockets may or may not be sufficient to cross that threshold in spite of your blanket assertion that it can never be grounds for the legal use of deadly force by police.

Truth be told, it looks like you went into one or two CJ classes with your mind already made up, and refused to learn anything that contradicted your blind faith in myths... don't assume that everyone suffers from the same failure to think for themselves.

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 9:48:42 PM   
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So you know EACH STATE IS DIFFERENT!!!! There are NO standard requirements other than the ability to SIGN YOUR OWN NAME!

In Towns without an Academy you can become a Deputy with no more than a P.O.S.T Cert Level 1 and in some Po-Dunk Towns all you need to do is KNOW the Sherrif and Swear to an Oath and be Legally Deputized.

So that you know there are NO LEGAL Mandates on Peace Officers (Police to most people), Now State Troopers and Detectives that is a different story but the guys who show up first when you call 911 yeah all that is usually required of them is a Fitness Test and P.O.S.T Training usually Administered at a COMMUNITY COLLEGE and although will show up on a college Transcript they are NOT useable Credits for anything other than filler.

The Hiring Process is for people who fit the Mold. Meaning people who can be emotionally void in the job of KEEPING THE PEACE Cause that is what they are really hired to do.

California and and Nevada .... Specifically the L.A.P.D and the L.V.P.D Metro only require that you have a P.O.S.T. Cert and complete the Law Enforcement Academy in which many of classes are geared toward understanding the Law and again CAN include College Credit Courses and YES they State that a AA or BA in Criminal Justice or General Science is Perfered I know at least 20 cops between Vegas and St George Utah who barely finished High School and only Passed the Academy because of how focused they were on thier Tactical Education and Gun Safty Skills. Most Cops go to School AFTER becomeing cops to make Higher Pay Grades because those usually DO require an education however the lower levels don't require anything but the ability to do what you are told and fire a gun safely.

PLEASE...... Don't take my word for it ...... Meet a Cop, Make a Friend, and ASK THEM!!!

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 10:24:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I looked into becoming an LACO deputy... all they required was high school diploma/ GED.  well, and to pass the entance tests (fitness/psych/written exams, not sure what those entailed).  The main reason I DIDNT do it was because all the deps are required to spend a certain amount of time in the penal system (I forget how long.. at least a year though) prior to any street assignment.
Having BEEN in jail (and that wasnt a disqualifier, since I have no felonies), that prospect was not at all appealing.

Slaveboy.. just curious here... you seem to think all bikers are assholes, all cops are assholes.. is there any group you DONT think is made up entirely of assholes??

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/9/2008 11:36:59 PM   
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**Sits in the coner with a Friend in the Police force Laughing MY ASS OFF cause you ALL are worng**

So you know EACH STATE IS DIFFERENT!!!! There are NO standard requirements other than the ability to SIGN YOUR OWN NAME!

In Towns without an Academy you can become a Deputy with no more than a P.O.S.T Cert Level 1 and in some Po-Dunk Towns all you need to do is KNOW the Sherrif and Swear to an Oath and be Legally Deputized.

So that you know there are NO LEGAL Mandates on Peace Officers (Police to most people)....,



If you are talking about the Supreme Court rulings under discussion here, they are legal mandates that are binding on every department, and every level. 
If you are talking about educational requirements, you might work on the old reading comprehension... the posts already make it clear that each department sets different hiring standards.  The question was how many of them require some college, versus how many of them require only a GED, to be on the streets.

(And by the way, tell your 'friend' that it is 'LEOs'... the 'peace officer' designation is not universal.)

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/10/2008 2:22:43 AM   
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Slaveboy.. just curious here... you seem to think all bikers are assholes, all cops are assholes.. is there any group you DONT think is made up entirely of assholes??


I don't have anything against the Cub Scouts. 

Seriously, I do not think all cops or motorcyclists are assholes.  I just find people that go into histrionics if you dare criticize their particular sacred cow to be ridiculous. 

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/10/2008 4:12:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

RL - this is nothing to do with soccer; its clearly American Football, as the officers can be seen kicking perfectly, straight between the uprights, for a field gooley.

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Kick straight? You have obviously never watched the Lions play....

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/10/2008 7:11:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

(And by the way, tell your 'friend' that it is 'LEOs'... the 'peace officer' designation is not universal.)


I stand Corrected and he agreed with you said that as a rule most of the western States in America call them Peace Officers or Keepers of the Peace. LEO's can also be international.

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RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham - 5/10/2008 7:13:54 AM   
SteelofUtah


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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I don't have anything against the Cub Scouts. 



Damnit I do, Them Little Shits always showing me up on my Knot Trying, and helping little old ladies across the street. Fucking Bastards

Won't let the little homo kid join cause he's gay but then I meet all the Pack Leaders and I think most of them are Gay and I figure they just don't want the kids having other options.

Cub Scouts

Little Shits

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