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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/8/2008 6:38:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

This is a bit off topic, but I started the thread so I guess I can do that.  And its been bugging me all day.

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I do whatever the fuck I WANT to do...THAT is what makes ME Master. 


By this criteria, I'd be the Master too.  I want to submit and to the extent that I have an opportunity and am able to submit, I'm doing what I want.  Consensual slavery/voluntary submission is dictated by wants on the part of both Master and slave.  So, you doing what you want doesn't really do anything to differentiate you as a Master from a slave.  There's got to be something more.


The answer you are seeking is pretty simple and universal.
 
The difference is INTENT.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/8/2008 7:37:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl
By this criteria, I'd be the Master too.  I want to submit and to the extent that I have an opportunity and am able to submit, I'm doing what I want.  Consensual slavery/voluntary submission is dictated by wants on the part of both Master and slave.  So, you doing what you want doesn't really do anything to differentiate you as a Master from a slave.  There's got to be something more.

Agreed.  As well, responsible masters know that they often do not get what they want when the want it a lot of the time.  But when they do get it, it's exactly what they want with exactly the consequences they intend.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/8/2008 8:26:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

I've recently become aware of a perspective on M/s that says that Masters don't nurture.  Ever.  This strikes me as counter intuitive, but I'd like to hear a range of thoughts on the matter.

Are Mastery and nurturance mutually exclusive categories?
Does a Master lose his or her mastercard if he gets caught nurturing his or her slave?


No, and no.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/8/2008 8:43:20 PM   
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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/8/2008 9:24:48 PM   
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There has to be some form or type of nurturing being perseived or there would be no relationship.



Indeed

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 5:55:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		my Master is also a nurturer , though as nurturing as he can be has can also be a sadistic bastard! that why i serve him


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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 6:07:43 AM   
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Are Mastery and nurturance mutually exclusive categories?
Does a Master lose his or her mastercard if he gets caught nurturing his or her slave?


No and No...

Mastering and Nuturing are different concepts but can co-exist.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 6:47:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes of course most Master connect and nurture their property, such as Daddy Doms come to mind, that is the connection that develope between M/s, it does not take away from Dominance, unless u are living the Gorean life then that fanatsy world forbids that kind of caring for a slave.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 9:16:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl
By this criteria, I'd be the Master too.  I want to submit and to the extent that I have an opportunity and am able to submit, I'm doing what I want.  Consensual slavery/voluntary submission is dictated by wants on the part of both Master and slave.  So, you doing what you want doesn't really do anything to differentiate you as a Master from a slave.  There's got to be something more.

Agreed.  As well, responsible masters know that they often do not get what they want when the want it a lot of the time.  But when they do get it, it's exactly what they want with exactly the consequences they intend.


Patience is the key, forcing someone to do something is easy, making them CRAVE doing it for you takes patience and subtlety.  Thus, slowly, over time, your wants become theirs.

BSB wants to be forced and to feel my power over her, I want to experience her unbridled lust and know it is inspired by me.  Finding a balance between the two is what makes us happy, shaping her so she wants to offer something to me more than having me force it out of her is what makes me Dominant.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 9:21:35 AM   
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  unless u are living the Gorean life then that fanatsy world forbids that kind of caring for a slave.


I think those who are attracted to gorean stuff might be in many cases incapable of doing so but I think there are goreans who do offer nurturing and I don't think there is anything in the philosophy that prevents it either.

I think Bull and IronBear, two Gorean's I know, would strongly argue that they can and do nurture the women in their lives.  They might not coddle them but they would sure as hell take better care than many so called "caring dominants"....

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 10:33:29 AM   
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yes of course most Master connect and nurture their property, such as Daddy Doms come to mind, that is the connection that develope between M/s, it does not take away from Dominance, unless u are living the Gorean life then that fanatsy world forbids that kind of caring for a slave.


Gorean does not forbid nurturing because nurturing comes in all forms not just a baby on a tit kind of nurturing....We are not gorean though we follow many of the protocols and discipline. We find that structure and communication are key factors in our M/s relationship. We know many Goreans that get better results with some nurturing, not spoiling. i personally believe that one must connect with their slave on some level in order to understand said slave and to guide that slave to be a better slave for the Master.  just my 2 cents pettingdragons**Master Dragons considered slave**

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 11:22:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll admit, I was surprised at the idea that a Master can need their slave in the beginning.  My Master wrote to me once that He would contact me when He needed me, and the first thought that ran through my head was, "YOU need ME?" (along with a big goofy grin).  I had unknowingly fallen into the trap of thinking that Masters and Dominants are looking for two completely seperate things, or had two sets of emotions.  My Master has told me that knowing that His slave is serving contentedly is what makes Him content, and that it increases His happiness tenfold.  That, to me, shows a very nurturing spirit.  If I were not so happy and fulfilled then He could not be.

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RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 2:07:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterGreg43

yes of course most Master connect and nurture their property, such as Daddy Doms come to mind, that is the connection that develope between M/s, it does not take away from Dominance, unless u are living the Gorean life then that fanatsy world forbids that kind of caring for a slave.


Perhaps you should know about Gorean Life before you speak? I rarely see any Gorean go out of their way to talk about another persons life choice.

Furthermore, Gorean Men can and do nuture. In fact I'll reiterate what the word nuture means;

  • to foster: help develop, help grow; "nurture his talents"

    Nuture, yes. Coddle, no.

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    RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 3:49:58 PM   
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    I rarely see any Gorean go out of their way to talk about another persons life choice.


    Okay folks, lets not get crazy here, a casual glance at the topics in the gor section would seem to strongly indicate otherwise.

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    RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 4:12:51 PM   
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    RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 5:04:12 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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    I rarely see any Gorean go out of their way to talk about another persons life choice.


    Okay folks, lets not get crazy here, a casual glance at the topics in the gor section would seem to strongly indicate otherwise.


    Casual glancing is where the original issue began. Obviously it continues. However, I won't debate it because I don't really care how you live your life as long as it doesn't affect mine.


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    RE: Masters can't nurture? - 5/9/2008 7:49:56 PM   
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