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owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 4:30:30 PM   
atendersoul


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Does a slave really have an "open door" policy wheither they can leave or stay?
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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 4:34:05 PM   
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Are you chained up against your will?

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 4:41:35 PM   
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If a slave wants to leave, why would a Master want to keep him or her against their will?  The answer to your question is that they can leave, but the fact that you would question if they have that ability is troubling.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 4:45:41 PM   
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Yes, they do.  Otherwise it is illegally holding someone against their will.

As someone else said, the minute someone is no longer willing to serve Me, by all means, they are not required.


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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 4:49:07 PM   
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If someone says, "You can't leave here" but you really want to go what's to stop you? There are those who may submit to authority that much ... but I hope they're few and far between.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 5:11:02 PM   
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I have a slightly different take on things, I see.  Yes, I suppose that, short of being chained to a wall constantly, one could always conceivably "leave."  However, for some slaves, the level of internal enslavement is so deep that they don't imagine ever really "leaving."

Whenever this topic arises, I always think about a wise slave whose words I read often on another site.  I have admired and learned from her for years now and truly believe what she says is "real."  She discusses how her owner has told her that she is his forever and there will be no leaving.  He told her that if it was up to her to simply misbehave enough to just get released, then it's his feeling that she's in control of things, not he. 

As I just said, that is HIS OPINION.  It happens to be mine and Master's as well.  I know there are those who adamantly disagree.  Kyra and Knight come to mind.  We've debated it here before.  It is my understanding that, in their relationship, at any time she decides to be willfully disobedient, she has chosen to stop submitting and this could lead to her release (paraphrasing here - hope I'm not too far off-base).  I have great respect for Knight and the relationship he has with Alandra and Kyra.  However, Master and I do not subscribe to those same beliefs as valid as they may be for others.

In our world, I was fully informed BEFORE becoming His property that it was going to be forever (or as long as He lived and was sane and capable of "mastering" me).  There was no codicil in place that, if at some future point I chose to consistently willfully disobey, that I would be released and once again be "free."  TO HIM AND TO ME, that would indicate that I was in charge of holding myself in slavery.  That is not what either of us wanted. 

I didn't want to be given an ultimatum if at some future point, I became uncontrollably disobedient (never gonna happen, but what did I know at that first day?)  I didn't want to be able to act out enough so that He'd say, "Well, you obviously choose not to obey me anymore, so out you go."  I wanted there to be more control and ownership on His part than that.  Again, I reiterate that's what WE wanted.  I am in no way disrespecting anyone else's choices, especially those of Knight and his family whom I hold in high esteem. 

That slave I mentioned reading on the other site said that it was world-altering for her to realize that her husband/owner MEANT IT when he said she was never going anywhere.  He owned her and that meant lock, stock and barrel whether she changed her mind and acted out or not.  She said it was amazing the effect that had on her and her choices to obey.  Because act out and disobey or not, she was staying and she would eventually obey the easy way or the hard way, so to speak.  She said once she got that internalized, it made always obeying from the beginning much more tempting.

Master doesn't keep me chained to a wall.  Hell, I have a full-time job and some access to our monies.  However, I know that if I chose to stroll off one day, He would scour the ends of the earth to bring me back.  Why?  Because He loves me, He absolutely considers me His property, and my choices don't matter like they did before becoming His.  It's that simple.  He told me a long time ago that if He EVER thought releasing me would be the best thing for me and in my best interest, He would choose to do it.  He just maintains that that will probably never, ever be the case.  I totally agree.

There have been a couple of times over the last couple years when it would have been easier to just flee.  Run back to my past mistakes and hide - it would have been easier on many levels.  But it's not what I needed and never will be.  I'm glad I knew not to do it because I knew it wouldn't last long.  I knew than and know now that Master is the best thing in my life and always will be.  Knowing He wouldn't just allow me to run away and leave helped me buckle down, work through things, and grow.  I'm thankful for that.......................luci

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 5:42:29 PM   
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Realistically- Yes  Emotionally and commitment wise - NO

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 5:57:50 PM   
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quote:

Does a slave really have an "open door" policy wheither they can leave or stay?


soul,

in the view of vanilla, a slave can leave in the view of the D/s protocols she can only leave by permission. That is a good reason to just stay as a sub which gives more latitude.

CP

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 6:00:53 PM   
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Well, unless he's the local police chief, he can't force her to stay against her will.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 9:09:52 PM   
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If a slave feels they are truely owned by thier Master then No, They would not feel they could actually just leave however they have the Legal right to they just don't feel thay have the ability to do so within what they believe to be thier Right.

All things considered.

The Person who has to ask the question should already knwo for themselves however thier answer can only apply to them. Having never been a slave myself I see things differently than my wife does.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 10:47:03 PM   
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Huh? Policy? Uwannaspeekinglis?

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 11:45:08 PM   
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The great paradox of an Owner/slave relationship is that the slave has ultimate control, by virtue of the fact that he or she may leave the relationship at any time. If the slave's physical, emotional or spiritual needs, to include his or her inherent need for self-realization (the development or fulfillment of one's potential) are not being met over time, then yes absolutely, he or she should leave, and has a perfect right to.
you only have one life. In it, you should be afforded, and you should afford yourself the opportunity to reach your potential.


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RE: owning a slave... - 5/9/2008 11:58:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

The great paradox of an Owner/slave relationship is that the slave has ultimate control, by virtue of the fact that he or she may leave the relationship at any time.


How does the slave have ultimate control, when the owner has the exact same ability to leave the relationship at any time? If an owner kicks a slave to the curb and the slave doesn't want to go, do they still have ultimate control?

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 12:19:25 AM   
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My comment was in reference to the OP. Of course we all have ultimate control of what we each do as individuals. I was simply trying to shed light on that fact, for the OP. I don't have time to argue semantics, here. I'm too busy doting on my precious slave, at the moment.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 1:05:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

My comment was in reference to the OP. Of course we all have ultimate control of what we each do as individuals. I was simply trying to shed light on that fact, for the OP. I don't have time to argue semantics, here. I'm too busy doting on my precious slave, at the moment.


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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 2:03:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kinkypuppy2

Realistically- Yes  Emotionally and commitment wise - NO


This is pretty much my experience now.  My heart and spirit no longer have that choice.  Thus, contrary to other comments that have been made, the only one here with the ultimate control is my Master.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 2:25:38 AM   
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In My Dynamic that is the ONLY decision not accountable to Me. It is a matter of consent, without the choise (Even if she never acknowledges it or uses it... it HAS to be there) then where is consent?

she would only be justified in using it IF she ever had reason to loose her trust in Me... which isn't going to happen... but if a girl asks Me to be released,  they best be DAMN sure because it is 99% likely to be a one way door. Even if it isn't (And never has been to date) a loss of trust... frankly do I want a girl who can't stick to a commitment, she expects that where I say X will happen it happens, she comes to rely on that, she relies on My taking control, enforcing the rules, maintaining the bounderies of the relationship... I uphold MY commitments to her if she can't do the same for Me then she is of little worth to Me.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 2:32:37 AM   
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The great paradox of an Owner/slave relationship is that the slave has ultimate control, by virtue of the fact that he or she may leave the relationship at any time.


Total and utter bollox..... just found your way into WIITWD have you? a typical newbie mistake.

That isn't control... and is matched on My side by My choise to dismiss her at any time. That is about removing consent and ending something.... not about control WITHIN the relationship. If a girl tried to use the fact that she can remove consent in order to try and control ANYTHING within a relationship with Me her ass would be out the door. I will not be blackmailed, if she made the mistake of thinking I will compromise what and who I am to keep her then she hasn't learned who I am at ALL!


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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 2:50:09 AM   
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It depends on the relationship.

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RE: owning a slave... - 5/10/2008 3:33:39 AM   
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Don't know if this is relevent but have you ever noticed that ya heat something in the microwave, it gets cold again more quickly as well?

InkedMaster knows full well my issues with abandonment.  He knows that i do not want to have the control in our relationship.  i don't want the kind of relationship that teeters on the brink of temporary.  i don't want a relationship where i can be easily discarded.  i want a Master/slave Owner/property relationship and that's what we have.  InkedMaster would not throw the Harley in the dumpster just because it broke down or the chrome got a little pitted or there were newer Harleys available to Him.  If He can love that bike that much, how much more will He be sure to correct me should i fail, and take the steps necessary to ensure i will serve at my best always.  It's that level of committment, that level of security He and i both want in our relationship.  For that reason i do not consider that i have any choice to leave because that would break my promise to Him.  i don't take my promises lightly and never promise what i cannot deliver.  That's our dynamic.  YMMV


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