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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 9:04:51 PM   
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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 9:05:08 PM   
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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 9:29:15 PM   
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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 9:31:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no idea if money can buy happiness but I'm willing to give it a try.

Also, I picked San Francisco, but my heart is really down in Santa Monica.


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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 9:39:08 PM   
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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 10:09:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		according to the federal gov't, I am in the poverty group, based on my income. (last year my income was less than 16k).  I am consistently behind on various bills (I pay part of one this month, pay part that one next month, and so on, and I usually only make partial payments).  Gas prices are killing me.  If I wasnt renting from my boss at a SUBSTANTIAL discount, I wouldnt be able to afford housing. 
Yes, I know I could save money if I got rid of my internet (aint gonna happen... this is my entertainment / sanity), but thats only about $40. p/mo..one tank of gas for a week.  fuckit.. lol

Yeah... money would make a HUGE difference in my happiness factor.  As has been said, not having to worry about my bills would be a HUGE thing for me (and it would be nice to have a stocked fridge again)! LOL

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 10:59:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Happiness can't be measured by the dollar sign, it can't be measured at all.  Its not a one size fits all thing.  The author continued by saying that it could be defined by success, after noting the failure of trying to measure it with the dollar sign. Which was a round about way of saying it was defined by the dollar sign. In defense of capitalism and morality, I mean Republican sex scandles, oops......no really, just the Protestant work ethic.

I'd rather live in San Francisco. I'd also rather live in Mexico. 

Its more of a time orientation cultural value thang.  I think that most western cultures value a need for complete independence, separation from the family at an early age. The criteria is set for success as long as you follow the go to school, move away from family, make money, get married and have children, attend a church and then donate to a good cause.

Other cultures celebrate life and even death.In Mexico, in Latin America and South America and in the Carribean people are celebrated. Its how you prioritize your world.  Their happiness isn't equated with Wall Street. 

I am a firm believer in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and as long as I live in the US my happiness is directly influenced by the Protestant work ethic then Cooly's looking glass theory applies........your damn straight it buys me happiness.


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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 11:04:47 PM   
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france...since im a citizen already...  if not for the big quake coming i would like san fran.

and money does buy happiness.  if i had $1000 right now i'd be on a vacation.




The problem with vacations is that you can't leave yourself behind so if you are in an unhappy disposition, you are going to remain in one on vacation.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 11:09:59 PM   
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Happiness comes from within. Those who chase happiness from without, are chasing the wind.

Nevertheless, I believe money can lull people into a false sense of temporary happiness; until the money runs out, or new problems emerge that money doesn't typically solve.



Amen, my friend.


Money does two things for me :

Money gives you more freedom and allows you to both arrive-at and attack your problems with style

As a fourth generation San Franciscan who's family is still there yet now lives Oregon......Man-o-man there's times I wanna go back - but it just doesn't allow me to fully engage in all my hobbies.

Never been to France.....but I'd sure like to visit in the near future. Been to East Tennessee many times. It reminds me a lot of Oregon; only with good southern hospitality.

And I've traveled extensively throughout each one of the Mexican states.....and I'm here to tell you that there are some non-tourist, sleepy villages in both Vera Cruz and the Chiapas that are absolutely heavenly.





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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 11:12:32 PM   
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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 11:17:26 PM   
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France and San Francisco, both for the food.

Money doesn't buy happiness, it buys doziness.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 11:19:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The belief that money buys happiness is a myth pedaled by capitalism on just about every advertisement billboard and TV commercial. It is almost impossible to escape its contagion and ends up making people unhappy because they end up with desires that are claimed can be sated with money but can't. Desire can't be satisfied, it has to be let go. Bhudha recognized this and so did Schoppenhauer. Our way of life, our materialist view of the world and our pursuit of instantaneous gratification is the true cause of unhappiness in western society. Desire can only be momentarily satisfied before the empty feeling of disatisfaction appears again.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/12/2008 11:29:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Money buys you freedom which can be condusive to getting happiness if you use it wisely.  If the only thing preventing  you from being happy is the money problems, then yes, money will buy you happiness.  But if there are lots of other things keeping you from being happy, it will only clear one obstacle.  I agree that happiness is a state of mind, but there are lots of things that affect your state of mind.  Money, or lack of it, is one big thing.  Your sense of contentment with the world and others around you, your sense of fulfillment with what you do, etc. also plays a huge part.  But if you have the money to get out of the rat race, then this financial freedom can encourage you to go after what you want to do with your life, what gives you fulfillment.  Of course, it can also encourage you to be a heroin addict, so it's not automatic.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 12:59:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Maybe money can't buy happiness, but I rather be unhappy WITH money,
than unhappy without money.
 
For me personally, money does not buy happiness, it buys contentment.
It is a great feeling being able to pay your bills, have money in your pocket, be able to buy more than just the necessities of life and have money in the bank. 
It is a good feeling to know, that you will be okay whether you lose your job or not, and you will probably be okay financially no matter WHAT tomorrow brings.

Does being poor in and of itself bring happiness?
 
Are most poor people very happy?

Let's take a poll of those that are doing well financially and those that are not doing well financially , and see what group
is the happiest.

I would be happy in either San Francisco or Tennesse, since I would have the money, I would have homes
in both places, cause that's how I roll.



Mia, I wouldn't be too happy in San Fran, too high prices.
Even if I were very rich I wouldn't live there.
The waether sucks too, 60's in July.
Plus I'd be getting in fights all the time, I hate political correctness.
I'd be more of a "Malibu" guy, big house and seperate studio to make my own B&D fuck movies in, cars, trucks, beautiful vacuous women around.
And oddly enough I'd have a big house and a boat here in Myrtle Beach too.
Better weather than N.Calif, friendlier people, warmer water.
I think having money makes things more "convenient" for people and they may confuse that convenience for happiness.
And yes, it's a good feeling having your bills paid, own your own condo and car and plenty of money in the bank and a good credit rating, THEN when you don't need it they want to give you credit cards and loans!
WTF were they 30 years ago when I was poor and in the military?

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 4:45:48 AM   
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consumer culture, commercialism , trains us to want more...to always want more, to never have arrived to our destination.

clutters our mind with noise.    that impedes happiness.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 5:16:16 AM   
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Now, I don't necessarily discount what this author is saying, but let me ask this; where would you rather live, France, or Mexico? Tennessee or San Francisco?
 


Actually, I'd rather live in Tennessee with liberal San Fran visiting rights. As for Mexico and France, no clue.

I will tell you that when I started school and stopped chasing the dollar, when things got much tighter financially from living on savings and student loans, my happiness increased. Of course this could be a third variable issue, like taking sublime enjoyment in school, but I think part of the reason that people are so unhappy is that they have to keep making income somehow and feel stuck in things that pay well in a monetary way but poorly in other ways.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 5:21:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		People make their own happiness, but money probably can help alleviate the burden of existence to the extent that it liberates the mind, so that the person can concentrate on happiness and not on feeding their starving progeny.

I speak hypothetically, as I've never had much money.

As for 'where would you be the happiest', France has a great potential for misery (they invented existentialism, remember? And they're the greatest consumers of psychothropic drugs on the planet, even more than the US) that is on par with everywhere else.
But at least, the French aren't terrified of their sexuality...

We're all fucked up  . 

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 5:22:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		And here's another thought.

Once you start accumulating "stuff" it takes more and more stuff to make you feel like you're doing as well; therefore, you accumulate more but it isn't as satisfying. Now, if you didn't have any money to buy a bunch of "stuff" then you'd be happy with much smaller things and it would be easier to find joy in normal every day events. The comparitive regression to the mean is pretty big.

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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 5:30:09 AM   
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RE: Can money buy happiness? - 5/13/2008 5:33:55 AM   
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Money means freedom of action and movement.


If you have enough of it you can buy governments and have them pursue policies that can make you more at the expense of the poor, you can even have a national army used as your own personal mercenary army and invade vcountries that have what you want. Which is usually resources that will earn you more money.

Aaaah Greed. What a wonderful virtue.

It must be or we wouldn't reward it so much.

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