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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/15/2008 1:14:11 PM

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Because the time to address your claims to have been a federal agent, and the difference between the Port Security designation and a deck hand in the USCG, was in that that thread, not deliberately hijacking this one with faked quotes and demands that I defend your bogus allegations.

Popeye's precise position, from what I can recall, is that USCG officers and NCOs were FLEOs by statute, and certainly 14 USC 89 supports his contention.

From the US Coast Guard Office of Law Enforcement Page:

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The United States Coast Guard is the nation's leading maritime law enforcement agency and has broad, multi-faceted jurisdictional authority. The specific statutory authority for the Coast Guard Law Enforcement mission is given in 14 USC 2, "The Coast Guard shall enforce or assist in the enforcement of all applicable laws on, under and over the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." In addition, 14 USC 89 provides the authority for U.S. Coast Guard active duty commissioned, warrant and petty officers to enforce applicable U.S. law. It authorizes Coast Guard personnel to enforce federal law on waters subject to U.S. jurisdiction and in international waters, as well as on all vessels subject to U.S. jurisdiction (including U.S., foreign and stateless vessels).

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 12:30:59 AM

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Whatever reason, race or not, blacks voting for a black that will help them out...good for them. Kinda like who cares for the rich elite (mostly white) vote for McCain, for whatever reason race or not, as he helps their cause out. Just amazes me how some people will sacrifrice their economy and family's well-being just because they can't get over the race thing. You're not picking your significant other, or someone so close to home or family. Just some dude thousands of miles away in the white house that LOOKS black (he's genetically half white) that's going to push for legislation that will help the lower and middle classes out.. which is what West Virginia is mostly made of.

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Don't talk about the pink elephant in the room. It's just rude.

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And how many black voters vote for Obama just because he is black?

Scandalous! How come they have the right to vote in the first place ? And that's how they thank you!

Regardless of the sarcastic response, it's a legitimate question. He has received 90+% of black votes throughout the country.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 5:48:29 AM

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I'm not rich, or elitist. But I can state without a doubt that I will be voting for McCain.

How is refusing to drill oil in ANWR helping the lower or middle class?
How is raising taxes on people who make $36k a year helping the lower or middle class?
How is tax and spend helping the lower or middle class?
There are more rich Dems than Republicans and if they really cared about the lower and middle class they would make it harder to make a living off the government.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 5:49:52 AM

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Because the time to address your claims to have been a federal agent, and the difference between the Port Security designation and a deck hand in the USCG, was in that that thread, not deliberately hijacking this one with faked quotes and demands that I defend your bogus allegations.

Popeye's precise position, from what I can recall, is that USCG officers and NCOs were FLEOs by statute, and certainly 14 USC 89 supports his contention.

From the US Coast Guard Office of Law Enforcement Page:

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The United States Coast Guard is the nation's leading maritime law enforcement agency and has broad, multi-faceted jurisdictional authority. The specific statutory authority for the Coast Guard Law Enforcement mission is given in 14 USC 2, "The Coast Guard shall enforce or assist in the enforcement of all applicable laws on, under and over the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." In addition, 14 USC 89 provides the authority for U.S. Coast Guard active duty commissioned, warrant and petty officers to enforce applicable U.S. law. It authorizes Coast Guard personnel to enforce federal law on waters subject to U.S. jurisdiction and in international waters, as well as on all vessels subject to U.S. jurisdiction (including U.S., foreign and stateless vessels).

All branches of the military have a law enforcement specialization... Military Police in the Army and USMC, Port Security in the USCG, etc.
There is a big difference between being Port Security in the Coast Guard and taking part in certain law enforcement operations, and being a federal 'agent' or federal police officer, ala FBI, Secret Service, Congressional police, and so forth.
Notice that the wording above is very specific, and does not confer LEAP status on CG members, but only gives them limited authority.

It is the same as the difference between a military medic claiming to have been a doctor because they performed medical duties, or a legal clerk claiming to have been a lawyer because they dealt with cases involving the law.

So your 'proves his contention' should have been 'does not support the contention'.

Anyone who had actually been a federal agent/LEO would certainly know better than to claim that that GS-1811 was a paygrade, instead of the OPM-X118 manual designation for a federal investigator. They would certainly know what LEAP was.
It is also highly likely that they would know the difference between raw number of arrests, and a conviction rate, clearance rate, and so forth.

But of course, you already know this since you 'recall' the thread so clearly.

Now explain how any of that creates in someone who didn't make the overblown claims, any obligation to put their personal vitae information up on the internet?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 3:03:58 PM

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Hey lets get this focused back on West Virginia and the fine, intelligent people who live there. Many of humanities greatest accomplishments originated from West Virginia. For instance - the toothbrush. If it had originated from anywhere else it would have been called a teeth-brush.

Simply hilarious

and way beneath you. I thought you were more intelligent than that yourself. Tee hee

And, as you said, there are many "fine, intelligent people who live" in WV. Most aren't famous but some are. Here's a sampling. I think you'll find characterizing WV'ians as toothless, backwoods inbreds is a bit simple-minded after perusing the list

http://jeff560.tripod.com/wv-fam.html

George Brett baseball player, Glendale
Pearl S. Buck author, Hillsboro
Phyllis Curtin soprano, Clarksburg
Joanne Dru actress, Logan
Thomas Stonewall Jackson Confederate general, Clarksburg
John S. Knight publisher, Bluefield
Don Knotts actor, Morgantown
Peter Marshall TV host, Huntington
Kathy Mattea country music, South Charleston
Alfred Moore jurist, Molinosville
Mary Lou Retton gymnast, Fairmont
Walter Reuther labor leader, Wheeling
Eleanor Steber soprano, Wheeling
Lewis L. Strauss naval officer and scientist, Charleston
Cyrus Vance government official, Clarksburg
Chuck Yeager test pilot and Air Force general, Myra
Steve Yeager baseball player, Huntington

Booker T. Washington - Black educational leader and the first president of Tuskegee Institute, raised in Malden, Kanawha County.
Brad Paisley - Country music star and actor, born in Glen Dale.
Brigadier General Charles Yeager, U.S.A.F Retired - first person to fly faster than the speed of sound, was born in Myra, Lincoln County.
Carter G. Woodson - educator, author and the father of Black History Month, was raised in Huntington, Cabell County.
Cyrus R. Vance - Secretary of State from 1977 to 1980 during the administration of President Jimmy Carter, was born in Clarksburg.
Hal Greer - member of the basketball hall of fame, was raised in Huntington, Cabell County.
Homer H. Hickam, Jr. - Author of Rocket Boys: A Memoir, the story of his life in the little town of Coalwood, WV that Inspired the #1 Bestseller and Award-Winning Movie October Sky.
Jerry West - former professional basketball star of the Los Angeles Lakers, was born in Cabin Creek, Kanawha County.
John C. Norman, MD - distinguished surgeon and pioneer in organ transplant techniques, was born in Charleston, Kanawha County.
Mary Lou Retton - 1984 Olympic Gold Medal winner in gymnastics is from Fairmont, Marion County.
Pearl S. Buck - Pulitzer Prize and Nobel Prize winning author was born in Hillsboro, Pocahontas County.
Sam Snead - world famous golfer, resides in White Sulphur Springs, Greenbrier County.
Samuel W. Starks - Local and national leader of Knights of Pythias fraternal order was raised in Charleston, Kanawha County.
Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson - born in Clarksburg, Harrison County. The Confederate General’s boyhood home became the first state 4-H Club Camp in the United States.
Walter P. Reuther - former president of the United Auto Workers (AFL-CIO), was born in Wheeling, Ohio County.
Other Links:
For a more extensive list of famous West Virginian's visit
Jeff Miller's Famous West Virginians page at http://members.aol.com/jeff560/westvirginia.html

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 3:57:48 PM

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Kind of hard for some of those people to be born in a state that didn't exist until 1863.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 4:20:47 PM

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If Obama does not win, I blame this guy

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 5:14:10 PM

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Now explain how any of that creates in someone who didn't make the overblown claims, any obligation to put their personal vitae information up on the internet?

The part where you claimed your arrest record was better than his.

Affirmative claim. Affirmative proof is expected. And as yet to be provided.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/17/2008 7:10:33 PM

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I'm not rich, or elitist. But I can state without a doubt that I will be voting for McCain.

So voting for a guy who is at the end of his actuarial lifespan is a good idea? This guy's worked for the government his whole life. He doesn't have a CLUE what it's like to work in the private sector. He's more out of touch than Bush is.

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How is refusing to drill oil in ANWR helping the lower or middle class?

How would drilling help them? Tell me, how much oil is in ANWR?

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How is raising taxes on people who make $36k a year helping the lower or middle class?

Links, please.

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How is tax and spend helping the lower or middle class?

So you prefer to borrow from the Chinese and spend?

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There are more rich Dems than Republicans and if they really cared about the lower and middle class they would make it harder to make a living off the government.

Can you prove there are more rich Dems? Why do you believe it is easy to "make a living off the government"? How would "making it harder" prove they care?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 5:33:30 AM

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Kind of hard for some of those people to be born in a state that didn't exist until 1863.

Where did I say they were all "born" there?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 2:17:59 PM

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The whole idea that black voters shouldn't vote for Obama on the basis of his skin shade rests on the notion that the voters in question have to be somehow more 'deserving' than their white counterpart. It's as if the white whiners expect the black electorate to show a higher level of ethics when they vote, which is, of course, absurd.

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EXACTLY!!!!

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 4:22:42 PM

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http://www.sibelle.info/oped15.htm
http://www.anwr.org/features/akeval.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/

The report, issued by the Energy Information Administration, or EIA, said that if Congress gave the go-ahead to pump oil from Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the crude could begin flowing by 2013 and reach a peak of 876,000 barrels a day by 2025.

876,000 BARRELS A DAY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! THAT'S A LOT OF EFFING OIL!!!

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 4:25:17 PM

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That's a lot of effing dead animals and natural forest too....The EIA...did they bother to consult the EPA? edited to add:

Was this supposed to go ont the WV thread?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 4:31:53 PM

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It was a reply to hippiekinkster.

And prove to me that there will be a lot of dead animals if we drill in anwr.
And then prove to me that the countries where you are currently buying your oil from are drilling in ecologically friendly areas and do not threaten the poor little jack-a-lope.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 4:43:05 PM

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876,000 BARRELS A DAY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! THAT'S A LOT OF EFFING OIL!!!

It seems a lot but its only a third of the US daily consumption. The US uses 1/4 of the worlds oil output.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 4:45:10 PM

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my, my, my....aren't we combative?
Common sense...drilling in the areas where there is now forest removes the tree cover, thereby removing the habitat for animals...thus killing many of them. pretty simple, really. Do we need to get the EPA facts and bullcrap??? i mean i will, but i hate not using my noggin for simplistic problems...it's tiresome.
oh your second "challenge" i don't vote in those countries....they are also countries where women can't sit in the front seat of a car...but we still buy oil from them. Besides...most middle eastern oil comes from the desert...not exactly bounteous in forests....

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 4:45:11 PM

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It seems a lot but its only a third of the US daily consumption. The US uses 1/4 of the worlds oil output.

For now....

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With 1.3 billion people, the People's Republic of China is the world's most populous country and the second largest oil consumer, behind the U.S. In recent years, China has been undergoing a process of industrialization and is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. With real gross domestic product growing at a rate of 8-10% a year, China's need for energy is projected to increase by 150 percent by 2020. to sustain its growth China requires increasing amounts of oil. Its oil consumption grows by 7.5% per year, seven times faster than the U.S.'

http://www.iags.org/china.htm

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 7:09:51 PM

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We do a lot of good with that oil too, and there's no need for us to be ashamed of our consumption. One example is that a lot of that oil is used to grow cheap food, which is used to help feed the world.

Looks like we'll find out soon enough how well the world will do without competitively priced American farmed goods too, won't we.

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It seems a lot but its only a third of the US daily consumption. The US uses 1/4 of the worlds oil output.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 7:16:21 PM

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Errrrrmmm... the 'A' in ADM doesn't stand for American.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/20/2008 7:28:07 PM

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my, my, my....aren't we combative?
Common sense...drilling in the areas where there is now forest removes the tree cover, thereby removing the habitat for animals...thus killing many of them. pretty simple, really.
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Besides...most middle eastern oil comes from the desert...not exactly bounteous in forests....

Two points #1 Oil drilling is not nearly as destructive as people think. I live in Houston and there are oilwells EVERYWHERE. We have an oil well down on the end of my cul desac. (No its not mine I WISH!) It occupies an footprint of about 8' square and is basically like a green 5 foot high fire hydrant. Ya know the rigs LEAVE after they finish drilling now. Drilling a well is not even that big of a project - the area they clear to set up a rig is smaller than one house and when it leaves they fill in the mudpit and reseed and its a nice wildflower meadow. I honestly wouldnt give a shit if they drilled a well on my front lawn and at $120+ a bbl for a 1/8 at the wellhead share like my mineral lease says I would kiss their ass on the pitchers mound of the Astros game! If youre reading this Conoco - come drill Kev's lawn!

Point #2 A desert is a delicate ecosystem too with LOTS and LOTS of life. A desert is every bit as inhabited as a forest, are endangered tortoises worth less than spotted owls?

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