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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 7:15:33 PM   
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The liberal mindset does not lend itself to great evolutions of thought, it seems--one of the flaws of the "I'm always right" foundation of standard liberal rhetoric.


Pity we can't mimic the great mental suppleness of the Decider.


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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 7:19:50 PM   
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BTW, nice deliberate thread hijack to derail from the OP.

I thought so. My hat's off to you on that. Very nicely done.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 7:27:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does that mean you want to actually discuss Obama's shortcomings as a candidate in terms other than his skin color?  Because if so, I've got a list of them.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 7:31:18 PM   
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Does that mean you want to actually discuss Obama's shortcomings as a candidate in terms other than his skin color? Because if so, I've got a list of them.

Sure, we can discuss them. Although most of them have already been ennumerated elsewhere, don't you think?

Although if you have something else to add to the lengthy list....fire away.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 7:49:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of them?  Much of what has been enumerated elsewhere has been partisan smoke and mirrors.

As far as shortcoming's you can start with my oft repeated Vonnegut/Gregory theme that no sane person would run for president.  Obama shares the career politician's list of symptoms for psychopathy, in his glib verbalization, and lack of ability to understand the consequences of his actions.

And yet he promises to be a 'change agent' without taking a stand on what and how he will effect change.

Is he going to repeal the Patriot Act, etc. or is it going to be OK if a Democrat administration pulls end runs around the Constitution?

Is he going to end the guest worker programs that both parties have endorsed since the 1930s, and watch Pizza Hut prices soar to $100 for a pizza? Or is he going to play business as usual?

What is he going to do about the subsidies to oil and food multi-national megacorps ? Pass an executive order forbidding agency heads to distribute them?

Heard anything from him about the spate of predatory lenders masquerading as helping second tier borrowers, backed by the same big bamks that are writing off bunches of mortgages that they will no doubt expect the taxpayers to cover for them?
 
Instead of worrying about his melatonin level, I'd like to see some transparency...and so far I'm not finding any.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:01:15 PM   
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Instead of worrying about his melatonin level, I'd like to see some transparency...and so far I'm not finding any.

No, you're not. And likely you won't. Politicians on both sides of the aisle tend to be schooled in avoiding transparency.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:36:47 PM   
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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:37:59 PM   
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Alumbrado, I'm still waiting to hear which police agency you worked for where you were involved, "in more than 200 arrests."
I told you which agency I worked for. (U.S.Coast Guard) but your answer hasn't been forthcomming.




Since I'm not the one busted as making those phony claims, nice try at misdirection and argumentum ad hominem.
The point is that you were the one making the phony claim to have been a federal agent and sworn LEO and trying to impress the gullible with statements about hundreds of arrests, which were easily debunked when it turned out you thought the job classification number for federal law enforcement was a paygrade, and that a conviction rate was the total number of arrests.

Your claims were easily seen through no matter what my background is, because I was relying on facts, and you were fabricating.  
Your new trick of attacking the messenger by taking your quotes and pretending I said them is just sad.  

...BTW how's your 'old Navy buddy' that founded Telecheck check doing these days? (And before you dig yourself in any deeper, you wrote Telecheck, because that is in fact the name of the company... another 'Nice try' on the 'buuubuuubuuu I meant Telechek'... no such a thing.)
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2002/Sep/19/ln/ln36a.html


And he still won't tell us!


Very perceptive... there isn't going to be any 'telling' in support of your fabricated quotes Popeye... 

You are welcome to join the club of those think that ignoring reality and repeating inanities over and over is going to suddenly make fabrications the truth, but good luck getting anyone who knows better to fall for that.


Alumbrado, this is real simple, which police agency were you employed by and how many arrests were you involved in?
A Caveman could answer those questions.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:39:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		More deliberate hijacking of the thread Popeye?  The time to for you to answer those questions was when you made those claims and were shot down, not popping up in random threads with fake quotes and dishonest demands.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:40:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Goodness, just becuase he's a smoke and mirrors showboat, playing heavily off of the race card and not offering much else of any substance?

I can't imagine why that would turn anyone off.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:40:30 PM   
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I'd like to hear just one person talk about how they are going to fix the trade deficit.




They aren't.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:42:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

I'd like to hear just one person talk about how they are going to fix the trade deficit.




They aren't.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:45:58 PM   
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More deliberate hijacking of the thread Popeye?  The time to for you to answer those questions was when you made those claims and were shot down, not popping up in random threads with fake quotes and dishonest demands.


Ok, google "U.S. Coast Guard"
That will explain what they do. Shoot that down.
You know, I'm starting to think that you're not being truthfull.
If you did in fact what you claimed to do why are you being so evaisive?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:48:54 PM   
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Is an argument, the point of your argument?

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:50:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because the time to address your claims to have been a federal agent, and the difference between the Port Security designation and   a deck hand in the USCG, was in that that thread, not deliberately hijacking this one with faked quotes and demands that I defend your bogus allegations.

Why didn't you do so in that thread, or why don't you address the OP here, instead of repeatedly violating the TOS prohibition on thread hijacking? Because anyone looking at that thread is going to see exactly who made the claim of over 200 arrests.. and it wasn't me.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 8:51:23 PM   
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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/14/2008 9:21:17 PM   
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You seem far too intelligent to think you can tell a person's character, (racist, anti-semite, whatever) by a few posts on a message board?
 
Is an argument, the point of your argument?


I'm not a mindreader, my judgements of people's character is a deduction.  But certain styles of propaganda and argumentation are worth arguing against whenever they pop up. 

Since the OP is about speculation on whether or not race affected voters, it is quite fair to point out comments that echo such propaganda..


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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/15/2008 2:36:44 AM   
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I'd like to hear just one person talk about how they are going to fix the trade deficit.


Switching to economics so soon?

post #107, whenever you're ready.

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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/15/2008 6:10:08 AM   
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The B-Cast: Newsweek Predicts Obama Smear Frenzy in ‘GOP Onslaught’






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RE: Many white Dems in WV say race was a factor in thei... - 5/15/2008 6:42:54 AM   
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Hey lets get this focused back on West Virginia and the fine, intelligent people who live there. Many of humanities greatest accomplishments originated from West Virginia. For instance - the toothbrush. If it had originated from anywhere else it would have been called a teeth-brush.

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