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Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/13/2008 9:29:12 PM   
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 If it meant we saved 20-30% in fuel costs?

If it meant not funding world-wide terrorism w/ our petro-dollars?

If it meant an almost total reduction/elimination of foreign oil imports?

If it meant we didn`t have to go to war for oil?

If it meant that the price would fall, due to lessened demand.

If it meant a reduction is the number deaths and/or the severity of crash injuries?

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Would you sacrifice the few extra minutes of drive time ,if it meant that all or most of those items could be achieved?

Would you make simple sacrifices like this, for America`s benefit?

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/13/2008 11:23:50 PM   
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The speed limit on the interstates here is 70 mph, and it's generally 55 on the 2 and 3 lane highways.  The interstate doesn't run through my town, and I haven't needed to go out of town much lately.  So, I don't have to get on the interstate that much.  As a result, I rarely go over 60 mph.  I admit when I am on the interstate I do about 70 or 75 mph.  If you were paying attention, then you notice I tend to drive about 5 mph over the speed limit.  I admit that it doesn't cut down much on my time, but that's not why I do it.  I drive with the flow of traffic, and traffic tends to move about that speed. 

If they lowered the speed limit to 55 again, I'd probably drive around that speed.  My main reason would be not to get a ticket.  I have awesome insurance through USAA.  I only pay about $500 a year, but I have a clean driving record.  I haven't had a ticket since 1999.  So yeah, I'd drive that speed if it was mandated. 

Now, I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon.  But there are other things a person can do.  I drive a compact pickup.  I have been getting about 28-30 miles a gallon out of it lately.  It has a standard transmission, and I cycle through gears quickly.  (I will have it in 5th gear before I get to 30 mph usually).  I start breaking well before I come to a stop, and I don't do quick starts.  I get the oil changed every 3k miles.  I check the tire pressure once a week and keep them inflated to the correct psi.  I had a tune up 2 years ago.


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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/13/2008 11:32:24 PM   
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How about a 'gubment' mandated limit,like in the 70s?So everyone`s on the same page and going the same speed.

I would like the discussion to stick to whether folks would support this, ~if~ it worked.Not whether.

Although that is a discussion that needs to happen, too.

My biggest beef, is the dollars(our dollars) that end up in terrorist hands, as well as into the radical madrases that foment hatred of the west.

That alone, would be worth it for me.


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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/13/2008 11:40:22 PM   
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Math might work to figure this out. Damn I am glad to be out that other thread now, I needed something else to think about.

OK, you live 25 miles from work and you make $30 an hour. Now at a speed of 60MPH that would be a 25 minute drive each way. That is fifty minutes a day you spend getting there and back. That is five sixths of an hour's pay. That is $25 worth of time.

Now to make the comparison easier to put into perspective, I am going to use two unrealistic figures, but at least they don't require alot of math.

The same drive at 120 MPH would be half the time. Given the constant thirty bucks an hour, that is $12.50 worth of time. But at 30 MPH it would be $50 worth of time.

Now if you put the pedal to the metal and accelerate to 60 MPH in five seconds, your injectors might approach a 100% duty cycle, which with engine vacuum gone will probably reach close to 60 PSI.

Now the thing is, in a modern car, being a leadfoot is not all that bad, not like the old days. Older car used to just dump in alot of gas when you got on it, now it is tightly regulated. Nowadays if you were to moderate yourself and let it take ten seconds to reach 60 MPH, you have still made it do the same work.

Scientifically there is a slight error in the wording of the definition of power. The work done should not be described as moving, it should be described as accelerating or decelerating and object in that it is removed from it's velocity space (a term borrowed from plasma physics)

In a car there are other factors, and they pretty much remain constant. You do not change you tires daily and the "wind resistance" does not change.

Dad and I have discussed this, after me hearing stories about him making it from like Kentucky to Michigan on a very small amount of gas. After consideration I see that what happened to some of the older cars was that when you got to a certain speed the body began to act as an airfoil, a rolling wing so to speak.

We can't drive like that anymore, a simple fact of life. There is to much traffic. Too unsafe. In something like a 1958 Caddilac at 110 MPH, the air pattern changes, just like it does in an aircraft as it's airspeed traverses the "barrier" between stall and flight. It also can serve to take some of the vehicle's weight off of the tires.

Years ago there were highways that had no speed limit, the Will Roger's Turnpike comes to mind. Then when the feds legislated the 55 MPH limit, Nevada told them to go fuck off.

Come on down here and drive these freeways, in the city we would love to drive 55. When the thing becomes a parking lot is where a big part of the problem lies.

Here's an experiment for you. Yes you can have empirical knowledge ! Most people drive cars with automatic transmissions. If you are legalandfhave no warrants, oneof these days just take your foot off of the brake in drive. I would bet real money that most cars would get close to 20 MPH if you did not touch the gas.

If you were to find a level road and do this, there is no refuting that fact that when you are sitting in a traffic jam, your car's engine is producing enough power to move. This is waste.

And every time you hit the brake it is wasting energy. Brakes convert the inertia of the vehicle into heat, which is not used, and has to be simply dissipated.

But then all of this put in perspective boils down to this, 20%.

I say let's attack the bigger problems.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/13/2008 11:54:59 PM   
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No. I drive an average of 65 to 75 miles an hour on highways. I share a car currently. My Mom drives the car most of the time. She averages about 200 miles a fill up 14 gallon tank driving between 45 and 55 miles an hour... I drive as I mentioned 65 to 75 miles an hour and get around 200 on a half a tank of gas. Around 350 to 375 a full tank.

Maybe Its just because of my car or the way I drive or where I drive. But still I manage better gas milage, then she does, meaning I have to fill up less, and save money by driving the way I do instead of the way she does. By driving at 55 miles an hour not only would I be paying out my bottom for car repairs, but Im sure I would be paying more...

I also use cruise control instead of using just my foot so this might be what helps my ability to break the norms.


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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 12:06:55 AM   
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I would if it would change most of those things. It won't.  However, I will be absolutely honest, I disagree with the concept that the ills, and primarily those that make me twitch, are the fault of me or you or the rest of us with relatively little power to alter circumstances.  This is why: Its not important if the US needs it, it is very important that we control the oil that other countries need. Therefore, we would still go to war.

This government will continue to use any type of money, including drug money, for "REAL OR IMAGINARY" threats.  That means that they will support whatever terrorists that are deemed necessary to achieve whatever agenda.  This government changes terrorist groups like most people change socks, prime example KLA. 

Oil is a bargaining chip that the major producing countries realized how to navigate in the 1970's.   This means that something so seemingly unrelated to a move that the US makes and effects one of those countries can and will be impacted by the price of oil.  Its done to prove a point and as long as the effect doesn't reach those in power its wasted.  Its wasted on us.

I don't even hit 55 most of the time because its not even an availabe option, but I will go over if I'm traveling and I get to see a sign that grants me enough to do that  providing its wide open. I don't do it often enough for even a bit of shame.  






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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 12:20:46 AM   
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It will help.

It has helped.

http://www.drive55.org/


http://www.thedailygreen.com/going-green/tips/best-gas-mileage-drive-55-461130


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/drive-differently-save-gas/story.aspx?guid=%7B7766378F-1CC8-403E-A909-8EB49AB105A0%7D


http://epa.gov/otaq/consumer/17-tips.pdf


But for argument`s sake,if it did work,would you be willing to sacrifice 10 or 15 MPH?


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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 12:58:14 AM   
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LOL Sure Ill drive 55.. In 30 zones LOL

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 1:23:27 AM   
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I used to have a lead foot, but I've slowed down 10 - 15 mph to get that extra three or four mpg that saves me a few bucks at the pump.  On our interstate, the speed limit is 70...I used to drive 80 or 85.  Now, I set my cruise at 70, turn off the A/C, roll down the window for fresh air, and enjoy my long 80 mile drive to and from work.  On regular 55 mph highways, I never really drove fast...maybe 60 or 65 at the most.  My speed is now under 60, too.  So I'm doing my part...yay!!!

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 1:29:21 AM   
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My Mercury Grand Marquis gets about 27 mpg on the highway.
You can be doing 70 mph and look at the tack and it's only at 1,800 rpm.
It has a 4.6 litre 8 cylander engine so it doesn't work as hard as a 6 cylinder engine.
But, I wouldn't mind driving at 55 if you'd put in "And then hit the Powerball Lottery" to your list!

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 1:49:12 AM   
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The best way to save gas while driving is  find the most safe speed at the lowest rpm while traveling.....

IE. 07 silverado
@ 1500 rpm = 45mph
@ 1800 rpm = 60mph

So if you can travel at a lower rpm and still maintain speed then you are saving gas.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 5:55:46 AM   
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If driving 55 could cure the worlds ill's I would attempt to comply. 
But the first time something out there didnt live up to it's end of that contract my foot would be firmly planted deep into my pedal like it usually is.  Sacrifice is a choice just like any other and I hate to admit it, but I'm a spoiled American who loves to drive. 


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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 6:17:28 AM   
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Ugh. Insurance industry propaganda.

The difference in mileage between speed X and speed X+10 varies widely from vehicle to vehicle. Tractor-trailers punch a huge hole in the air, and these days you'll see long-haul trucks limiting themselves to 65, even in a 70 MPH zone, in order to save fuel. A Corvette, on the other hand, has a very low coefficient of drag, and a tall overdrive spun by a torque-heavy engine, so the difference in MPG between 65 and 70 is almost nil.

Personally, i do my part for reduced oil consumption by getting 50-60 MPG on a motorcycle more days than not.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 6:42:38 AM   
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The problem really is - that whatever we in the west do to reduce consumption, it will be negated and more likely overtaken by the rate of increase in consumption in China, India and other developing economies.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 8:23:00 AM   
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If it meant we saved 20-30% in fuel costs?

 
With my car, it really makes no different between those speeds. I actually used more gas sitting in traffic for an hour because I didn't make it past the 'congested' area soon enough than I do if I do 80 and get through that area before the traffic jam really starts.
 
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ORIGINAL:  Owner59
If it meant not funding world-wide terrorism w/ our petro-dollars?

 
Actually, I believe the governmentall "schtick" is that it's drugs that funds terrorism, not gas.
 
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If it meant we didn`t have to go to war for oil?

 
I crack up hearing about the infamous "war for oil." Hmmm war for oil.....in which we use billions of gallons of fuel and oil per day. Yeah...it's a war for oil alright. Sheeesh.
 
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If it meant that the price would fall, due to lessened demand.

 
It wouldn't. The companies would just sell to the other countries that would buy it. Same reason why a gas boycot never works. The companies being boycotted just sell to the ones who aren't, at an inflated price.
 
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If it meant a reduction is the number deaths and/or the severity of crash injuries?

 
From what I understand about crashes, the difference in 55 MPH and 70 MPH in a crash isn't really that dramatic.
 
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Would you sacrifice the few extra minutes of drive time ,if it meant that all or most of those items could be achieved?

 
Nope. I make my sacrifice in the form of driving more fuel-efficient cars. Cars which negate the difference between mileages at those speeds. I can drive 55 or 90 and there isn't much difference because my car gets great highway mileage regardless.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 8:29:56 AM   
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Now, I set my cruise at 70, turn off the A/C, roll down the window for fresh air, and enjoy my long 80 mile drive to and from work. 

 
I believe I saw a study once that said windows down at freeway speeds vs. windows up with A/C on is essentially using the same amount of power, and thus, gas.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 8:44:45 AM   
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It is because of the better aerodynamics of today's automobiles.

I drive 55........somewhere between zero and my cruising speed. Cruising speed being determined by the road I am on and the potential for those annoying government employees with ticket book in hand, being around.


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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 8:51:46 AM   
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The best way to save gas while driving is  find the most safe speed at the lowest rpm while traveling.....

IE. 07 silverado
@ 1500 rpm = 45mph
@ 1800 rpm = 60mph

So if you can travel at a lower rpm and still maintain speed then you are saving gas.



In the same manner that buying a fur coat on sale is 'saving money'...

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 9:11:19 AM   
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I would, if everyone would slow down with me...at least to 60-65.

Being near the "Watermelon 500" (AKA I-285 around Atlanta, or simply "The Perimeter"), I've learned that 80mph is a much more appropriate speed to preserve life and limb.

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RE: Would you drive 55 MPH if ? - 5/14/2008 11:21:40 AM   
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If it meant a reduction is the number deaths and/or the severity of crash injuries?


If everyone's flying past me at 80-85, I'd be in far more danger going 55. 

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