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US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 4:18:31 PM

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/140508Detainees.htm

this sounds, well like the soviet union!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/immigration/cwc_d4p1.html <- original link

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 4:57:15 PM

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When the police in Ireland (Garda) deport people they get them good and drunk then pour them onto Aer Lingus flights.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 5:00:55 PM

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this sounds, well like the soviet union!

Considering that a reporter who visited the Cuba facility was handed protective eyewear and cautioned against "lingering" near detainees due to their tendency to attack and try to blind the guards (successfully in at least one case), I have to say I'm fine with them being drugged.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 5:11:50 PM

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I think they mean people who overstay their visa.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:39:20 PM

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If you are going to be detained at Gitmo wouldn't you prefer to be 'drugged'?

I'm sure its not the only place drugs were used. How else could a scrawny female, like the one in the picture, get 6 naked guys to form a pyramid?

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:41:04 PM

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With dogs and guns.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:47:04 PM

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If you are going to be detained at Gitmo wouldn't you prefer to be 'drugged'?

I'm sure its not the only place drugs were used. How else could a scrawny female, like the one in the picture, get 6 naked guys to form a pyramid?

That was in Iraq, not Cuba and kitten is right, they used big dogs and guns.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:48:15 PM

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Abu Graib, to be precise.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:48:38 PM

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when i was stationed in gtmo it was the best place to get drugs any type

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:53:53 PM

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this sounds, well like the soviet union!

Considering that a reporter who visited the Cuba facility was handed protective eyewear and cautioned against "lingering" near detainees due to their tendency to attack and try to blind the guards (successfully in at least one case), I have to say I'm fine with them being drugged.

Standard propaganda... make them look dangerous so he won't find out the poor jerk used to be a clerk at a dry goods store

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 6:54:35 PM

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Guantanamo : sounds like you had a lot of fun there

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 7:55:58 PM

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Standard propaganda... make them look dangerous so he won't find out the poor jerk used to be a clerk at a dry goods store

I'm sure the soldier who's now missing an eye doesn't think it's propaganda.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 10:12:09 PM

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LOL Oh please they sedate people before deportation? Nevermind deportees, I wish we could do it on certain passengers on domestic flights in the USA! You should ask a flight attendant about normal fare paying passengers and how they behave,,,

According to the article it is done by nurses so whats the problem. As I see it, the sedation is good for flight safety... Remember there are two pilots (and sometimes a flight engineer) what happens if they decide they would rather die than go home?

These arent commercial airline flights - where you can only carry one high risk prisoner who must be seated between two escorts and the aisle, more than 15 feet from an emergency exit, blah blah blah... (FAR 108.21) When you have a whole planeload of people who dont want to go home being sent back against their will sedation is a damned fine idea.

By the way Popeye, I dont know if you are kidding about the Irish deportations - but that is illegal. A detainee, or their escorts cannot be served alcohol and NO intoxicated person can be carried on an aircraft except under medical care. Airline crews have to file a report with the FAA within 5 days of any intoxicated passenger issues ... (FAR 121.575)

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/14/2008 10:27:43 PM

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LOL Oh please they sedate people before deportation? Nevermind deportees, I wish we could do it on certain passengers on domestic flights in the USA! You should ask a flight attendant about normal fare paying passengers and how they behave,,,

According to the article it is done by nurses so whats the problem. As I see it, the sedation is good for flight safety... Remember there are two pilots (and sometimes a flight engineer) what happens if they decide they would rather die than go home?

These arent commercial airline flights - where you can only carry one high risk prisoner who must be seated between two escorts and the aisle, more than 15 feet from an emergency exit, blah blah blah... (FAR 108.21) When you have a whole planeload of people who dont want to go home being sent back against their will sedation is a damned fine idea.

By the way Popeye, I dont know if you are kidding about the Irish deportations - but that is illegal. A detainee, or their escorts cannot be served alcohol and NO intoxicated person can be carried on an aircraft except under medical care. Airline crews have to file a report with the FAA within 5 days of any intoxicated passenger issues ... (FAR 121.575)

Aviator, that was a joke. Although...
If people don't want to be drugged and deported they shouldn't be sneaking into *any* country or overstaying their visas.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/15/2008 1:53:37 AM

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DA - I know of one case who was picked up, beaten daft and woke up on the ferry to England from Ireland with a bag of clothes and a note saying "dont come back". What we dont know, is who did it - could have been paramilitaries, or could have been the other paramilitary of that time (the ones with the uniforms).

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/15/2008 3:36:51 AM

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LE Im sure that has happened, and frankly Ireland is a place I would visit with caution as I have the wrong last name for the IRA types liking. LOL (Hopefully its gotten better, though I kind of doubt the IRA has disbanded to the extent they say it has. Leopards changing spots and all that) Im sure illegal deportations occur.. I was simply saying its against the law to get someone drunk and stick them on an airplane... Does it happen? Sure - I fly drunk just about every time Im a passenger. (I HATE HATE HATE to fly unless I am in the cockpit! Jumpseat is OK, but in the cabin it scares the shit out of me to "not know"! I need to hear ATC, I need to see the instruments, etc... I am the backseat driver from hell and I am a neurotic idiot!) So , if I cant fly or jumpseat I hit the lounge and get uh, "relaxed" I am just good at hiding the fact that Im smashed because otherwise they couldnt legally board me...

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/15/2008 4:51:56 AM

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These replies horrify me.

No one should be drugged against their will. The subject should be offerred something to relax them. Not simply drugged up.

If you or I obtained such drug in a shady way, we would be prosecuted.

Retarded have a right to not be over medicated.

So - if YOU dont have your papers, visa vi real ID, then shoot you up with melleral, cause YOU are a criminal?
Think that is fun? No. That is an animal tranquilizer.

Im surprised by the drug em crowd on this thread.

Make sure your papers are in order at all times. Better sleep with them near your head at night.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/15/2008 5:29:28 AM

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PABoy - I see your point but we are talking deportation flights of potentially unwilling passengers. It is an issue of flight safety. Assume they are being returned on a 737 there are only two men who can fly that plane aboard. They cannot be overpowered by an angry mob so by all means sedate the deportees. If its a 727 - ie the dep of justices "ConAir" there are three men - 2 pilots and a flight engineer who may or may not be a pilot. (Some FE's are pilots others are not...) Lets be fair - if you have a planeload of people who may rather die than go home - would YOU want to fly them if they were unmedicated? Remember - they CANNOT be chained to the seats or caged or otherwise made incapable of evacuation... Its a flight safety issue and as such Im fine with it. They are medicating them, not lobotomizing them. It wears off...

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/15/2008 6:10:44 AM

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in that case the policy must be clearly spelled out and ducumented. Not haphazzard and the answere to all departees.

these can be tourists. how do we separate it? Ohio has lost millions in tourist revenue, noteable Cedar Point in Ohio to Canadian folks. Tourism is a HUGE industry. We are telling the world- that you are not welcome in the US. What we should be saying is if you visit or live here, you must obey our community standards.

I hesitate to say this as the mods are watching. So Ill choose my words carefully. A nearby town threw a celebration to celebrate a non-anglo holiday. I feel this is a mistake. It says, we will adapt to YOUR customs, and disregard OUR way of life. I feel gangs will come. This made the newsaper in LA. Yeah- JUST what this area needs! LA throw aways! People who only know drugs and gangs and guns. Yet we throw a "celebration". What a horrible flawed statement.

The US used to be a melting pot. I admite newcomers who attempt to blend in. That is wonderful. IMO thes same people having pride in their heritage, fine by me. BUT -ANY folks who purposely or as an un-intended consequence, enable the distortion of domestic tranquility to the locals, is not welcomed.

Essentially- we told the world OBEY America or be harmed.

Who wants to go, party, celebrate; where they are not welcome? [not withstanding bushed army...]

Isnt money, products, services, resources a component of "security"?

Go to mcdonalds and say be happy I wont bomb you, where is my hamburger?   Rather then I have these shiney coins to barter so that you may ...[win-win]

I was once part of a law enforcement crowd. I noted leader- was genuinely scared. I dont doubt it. I DO want law and order. If lawnessess was such a good place to live, I would still live in Chicago. I moved in 1988 and should have done it sooner. last night I went to bed forgetting to lock the door. No one broke in. Like DomAs town, my area is hard on crime. We send our share of boys to prison. It took me some time to see what the locals meant when they said "you daresont do that".   When the law charges you here, you ARE GUILTY.

Right now snotty Bucknell kids are crying police brutality here. Good. A court is of your peers, meaning geographic peers, not online peers.

Same thing when bad azz slickers non-aglo SCREAM police harrassment.   NO ONE LOCALLY BELEIVES claim of police brutality in this area.

I am concerned tho that locals "think" they know big city problems, but they dont. Not really.

I wish I could get out of here. I really do. I want to go up in the hills where there is no population. I am sick of fumes, noise, grime, screaming people, attitude. Leaving would mean 1. walking from my house. or 2. selling it at an extreem loss. [if anyone has ideas on this please let me know.]

Maybe some good ear plugs.

I do think tho that foreigners should be offerred the drug, not forced. It is facsist to drug people agaist their will.   The slope is slippery my friend.

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RE: US drugged detainees - 5/15/2008 8:03:32 AM

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The subject should be offerred something to relax them. Not simply drugged up.

Like a shot of tequila, but nothing like marijuana? That would be consistent with the overall US drug policy; and makes the same amount of sense.

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If you are going to be detained at Gitmo wouldn't you prefer to be 'drugged'?

I'm sure its not the only place drugs were used. How else could a scrawny female, like the one in the picture, get 6 naked guys to form a pyramid?

That was in Iraq, not Cuba and kitten is right, they used big dogs and guns.

Where they drugged too?

Appreciating the reading comprehension challenged - next time I'll highlight as I have in this response or use pictures. My apologies for not appreciating the limitations of others.

I just hope that the guys who may or may not have been pictured in the pyramid, the guys who thought a video capturing the moment was important gave the non combatant, civil engineer Eugene Armstrong some drugs too.

This was written, directed, produced, and staring people who belong and support the Abu Musab al-Zarqawi group responsible for this: http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/beheading-video-eugene-armstrong.html

ENJOY viewing the activities supported by the people you now target for sympathy!

I would wager that Mr. Armstrong's family would prefer he were incarcerated at Guantanamo or pictured in a pyramid naked at Abu Graib.

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