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Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 10:29:01 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		I just read on another site that Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are human emotions, By this I personally understand someone is trying to justify their dislikes by labelling them emotions, much like anger, love, fear etc.

Are they emotions or are they what they are, dislikes ?


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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 10:42:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think they are emotions.  I think emotions (fear, hatred, anger, etc.) are elicited from these things, but these are a belief system, or a philosphy. 

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 10:43:32 AM   
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humans prefer no change- prefer that which is familiar.  

Im sure the isms have some emotion to them,     tho I do wonder if sexism is different from the other isms.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 10:52:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		they are not emotions, they are opinions on subjects which are so tightly held they evoke an emotional response.  a person can be homophobic because they firmly believe homosexuality is wrong, and when that belief is challenged they can become emotional in their response.
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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 10:57:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I feel all three, racism, sexism and homophobia are all ignorance.  Ignorance isn't an emotion to me.
An emotion is something that makes you happy, sad..agitated and what have you. 


I also don't believe a homophobic believes homosexuality is wrong.  I believe they think every homosexual has the hots for them.  When more often that not it is not the case.  Homosexuals are probably pickier than straights when choosing a partner.  Of course I could be wrong on that point.


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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 11:03:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are not emotions themselves, but are driven primarily by the emotions of fear and anger. 

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 11:48:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are perceptions that trigger emotions.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 1:19:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Emotion is a thought or feeling someone has, which may or may not be justified.

Racism is a thought or feeling someone has, which may or my not be justified.

YOU choose emotions except under very few circumstances.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 1:22:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		difficult question. I wouldn't calm them emotions...but opinions..and there for not less important then emotions..even when you disagree with them

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 1:28:48 PM   
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YOU choose emotions except under very few circumstances.


I’ll tell Van Gogh to stop moping about and get the fuck happy shall I?

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 2:08:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well with over ten different main theories on emotions, the majority of them agree that they can happen unconsciously. Choice requires active thought, so I choose to believe that we do not always choose our emotions ;)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Emotion is a thought or feeling someone has, which may or may not be justified.

Racism is a thought or feeling someone has, which may or my not be justified.

YOU choose emotions except under very few circumstances.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 3:24:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I just read on another site that Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are human emotions, By this I personally understand someone is trying to justify their dislikes by labelling them emotions, much like anger, love, fear etc.

Are they emotions or are they what they are, dislikes ?




There are innate traits regarding the perception of others and differences, traits which can evoke emotions....what each person does about them is up to them and perhaps their upbringing....none of which is making excuses for bad behaviors.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 8:20:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
I just read on another site that Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are human emotions, By this I personally understand someone is trying to justify their dislikes by labelling them emotions, much like anger, love, fear etc.

Are they emotions or are they what they are, dislikes ?


They come from how one was raised and taught; so I would say more circumstancial and environmental than anything. If you are living with a racist, then you are more likely to be a racist, etc. Of course, we can change our views on things, but, I think it's engrained in us, we have to fight that in order to change.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 8:34:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok before I step out into this minefield let me restate that I have NOTHING against gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or transgendered folks. I have told several this privately and I have stated it publically in another thread.... But nonetheless what I am going to say will probably detonate a shitstorm and get me labeled as a homophobe....

I loathe, detest, and despise the term "homophobia" and think it does little but piss people off and mask the root problem. Phobia by definition is "an unreasonable fear of" something. I would say that many who are viciously opposed to the GLBT community do so by choice, religious conviction, personal moral beliefs, simple ignorance, or just outright hatred.... I dont think they "fear" homosexuals as much as hate them, disagree with their beliefs, or otherwise find same sex relationships unacceptable. I think it is kind of condecending to imply that anyone not agreeing witht he same sex community has an "unreasonable fear of them".

Another thing, and again I am friendly to the GLBT community and totally support the rights of people to love, and to make love to, whoever they choose (subject of course to age, mental competence, and species - ie no kids, mentally infirm or critters). But I think a lot of the "gay pride" stuff is incendary and is pissing off the "straight community" particularly the religious right. Lets be painfully blunt here - gay men like to have their dicks sucked and to have anal sex. So do most straight people! Lesbians like to have their pussies eaten, to suck titties, to be fingered, and to play with toys. So do most straight women! What the gays do isnt really different than what the straights do - the difference lies in who they do it with! So a gay man likes to suck dick and/or to have his dick sucked, while I am pulling this number out of my ass based solely on ancedotal experience I would say probably 98% of straight women suck dick and 99.9% of straight men like to have their dick sucked. However, the "straights" don't seem to need to have a parade to announce this or to have a "Blowjob Pride Day" or to get the contingent of "Irish Lasses Who Like To Play The Meat Flute" added to the St Patricks Day parade etc... Im not saying stay in the closet, Im saying "keep it in the bedroom"... What I do with my hetero female partners isnt a matter for public pride, community recognition, or parades its intimacy between lovers - and frankly, we are in most cases doing a lot of the same things the gay and lesbian community does. We just do it quietly cause its nobodys business but ours and we dont need anyones acceptence or pubic recognition...

I sometimes wonder if antihomosexual sentiment might not be diminished by "toning it down a bit" and keeping it on a need to know basis without doing the "in your face" public events that rile up the haters. Speaking from Bible Happy Baptist Country (Texas) I wonder if the same outrage / venom / and disdain would be directed at straights who demand public acceptence of their sexual activiities. Ie would the ladies of the "Baptist Fellatio Leauge" or "Gentlemen of Cunnilingus Coalition" also evoke outrage and  "fellatiophobic" contempt... Im not saying stay in the closet Im saying I wonder if just trying to blend in without the radical activism might help smooth things and build bridges... We really arent that diffrent afterall, so why differentiate yourself... treat it as normal, without creating the impression that its something different that needs to be accepted and understood and without labelling those who disagree for whatever reason as "afraid of you". Just a thought...


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RE: Emotions ? - 5/17/2008 10:49:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		DA. you have now brought up something. Inadvertently it seems, but I am not so sure.

Many guys have shoved it up their Woman's dupa. Somethimes it is enjoyed and other times not. But that is still a totally different dimension than being gay. It shows in who you are attracted to.

If you are a guy, guys might turn you on, I guess you would be gay then. No problem, good more Women for me.

Having lust for a Man is a totally foreign concept to me, but people do it. That is their business. Having love for friends is a different story.

If you consider homosexuality to be a defect, you are perfectly within your right to have that opinion. But they have the same rights as you, or should. Are they hurting you ? Really ?

Every prejudice and bigotry in my mind, installed over the last 47 years is still there. But rational thought controls it. To be true to ourselves we need to admit that, and maintain the control. As an adult you must sift through your teaching and decide what is valid and what is not. That actually defines an adult mind.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/18/2008 12:02:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

I loathe, detest, and despise the term "homophobia" and think it does little but piss people off and mask the root problem. Phobia by definition is "an unreasonable fear of" something. I would say that many who are viciously opposed to the GLBT community do so by choice, religious conviction, personal moral beliefs, simple ignorance, or just outright hatred.... I dont think they "fear" homosexuals as much as hate them, disagree with their beliefs, or otherwise find same sex relationships unacceptable. I think it is kind of condecending to imply that anyone not agreeing witht he same sex community has an "unreasonable fear of them".

....But I think a lot of the "gay pride" stuff is incendary and is pissing off the "straight community" particularly the religious right.

....I sometimes wonder if antihomosexual sentiment might not be diminished by "toning it down a bit" and keeping it on a need to know basis without doing the "in your face" public events that rile up the haters. 

.... We really arent that diffrent afterall, so why differentiate yourself... treat it as normal, without creating the impression that its something different that needs to be accepted and understood and without labelling those who disagree for whatever reason as "afraid of you". Just a thought...





Just my .02 on the specific snippets above:

As you point out, some of the people who have a problem with alternative lifestyles, be it GLBT or BDSM, have a belief that they are reasonable in that view.

History tends to teach us that patiently waiting for such people to abandon their line of reasoning, leads to more waiting patiently.

In your face tactics, such as Huey Newton jacking a few rounds into a shotgun, suffragettes taking to the streets in defiance,  Malcolm X declaring 'By any means necessary',  Gandhi directing his followers to break the law over salt, Diop Kamau yelling at the police 'Why are you stopping me???' or Eddie Mabo filing lawsuit after lawsuit, starts to make people uncomfortable.

And sometimes uncomfortable people revisit their comfort zone rationalizations... not always, but sometimes.

So 'in your face' is a tactic of choice for some... can it be over done, or even backfire?...sure.


But that whole patiently waiting for people to notice how well behaved your group is and reward you with acceptance tactic?

As Billie Holiday sang...

Do nothing 'til you hear from me....
 
And you never will.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/18/2008 4:50:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
But I think a lot of the "gay pride" stuff is incendary and is pissing off the "straight community" particularly the religious right. Lets be painfully blunt here - gay men like to have their dicks sucked and to have anal sex. So do most straight people! Lesbians like to have their pussies eaten, to suck titties, to be fingered, and to play with toys. So do most straight women! What the gays do isnt really different than what the straights do - the difference lies in who they do it with! So a gay man likes to suck dick and/or to have his dick sucked, while I am pulling this number out of my ass based solely on ancedotal experience I would say probably 98% of straight women suck dick and 99.9% of straight men like to have their dick sucked. However, the "straights" don't seem to need to have a parade to announce this or to have a "Blowjob Pride Day" or to get the contingent of "Irish Lasses Who Like To Play The Meat Flute" added to the St Patricks Day parade etc... Im not saying stay in the closet, Im saying "keep it in the bedroom"... What I do with my hetero female partners isnt a matter for public pride, community recognition, or parades its intimacy between lovers - and frankly, we are in most cases doing a lot of the same things the gay and lesbian community does. We just do it quietly cause its nobodys business but ours and we dont need anyones acceptence or pubic recognition...


That was a bit long winded you could have just said some people hate the fact gays and lesbians flaunt there sexuality in other peoples faces. Where as straight people supposedly don’t? I think you are missing the point that they do it because for so long they couldn’t and even now they face real persecution for their preferences. We haven’t as a society moved on as far as you think and you’d realise that if you were gay and questioned what real effect admitting such a thing to your boss would have. Sure he won’t fire you because that is against the law but there are more than one way to skin a cat and that is why we are seeing an upsurge in constructive dismissal cases.

It’s called homophobia because it is the fear of that which people don’t understand. The first thing you hear people mention when talking about this issue is the sex act, as if that is all there is to a relationship? They don’t understand how another man could fuck another in the arse but there is slightly less social fear towards lesbians because all they supposedly do is kiss and cuddle one another which is rather charming and ok?

Also I don’t know what crowds you’ve been circulating in but I’ve seen plenty of straight men take pride in how many girls they can fuck in such a space of time. It’s a bit unrealistic to say straight people never flaunt their sexuality. The number of instances I’ve seen of gay and lesbians kissing in public I can count on one hand but to count the number of straight couples kissing in public I have seen, well I’d have to use my toes too and a few extra body parts also.


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RE: Emotions ? - 5/18/2008 5:28:55 AM   
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RE: Emotions ? - 5/18/2008 5:31:36 AM   
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I just read on another site that Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are human emotions, By this I personally understand someone is trying to justify their dislikes by labelling them emotions, much like anger, love, fear etc.

Are they emotions or are they what they are, dislikes ?



i would call them learned behaviors


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RE: Emotions ? - 5/18/2008 5:34:22 AM   
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I dont think they "fear" homosexuals as much as hate them


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