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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 6:30:56 AM

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I truly appreciate that so many of you have taken the time to express your opinions on this topic. And thanks for the link to the previous thread too!

Getting so many varying points of view is why I enjoy these Message Boards so much.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 8:35:24 AM

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What a person does sexually absoloutely DOES dictate their sexual orientation. If a man is put in a position where he has no choice but to do something against his sexual nature, it doesn't make him a practitioner of that form of sexual identification. However if, as you say, you enjoy being lent out to other males for sexual purposes, then you are bi-sexual. Not an argueable point.

No, it means you enjoy obeying and being used for sexual pleasure.

I COULD be ordered t have sex with anyone, whether it's someone I DESIRE to have sex with or not, whether it's a male or a female. I do this because I enjoy obeying, I do this because I enjoy being used.

Actions do not indicate sexual orientation.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 8:41:52 AM

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Hello There,
Lots of guys entertain notions of same sex encounters. They fear being pegged as gay or a faggot.
If they can feel like their Mistress forced them to do it, then to them that's different. They won't carry the guilt they feel of same sex relations as they can justify it wasn't their fault, and they had to.
It's sort of like the notion of forced rape. It's hot to think of being pushed into something you crave that is not socially acceptable behavior in your own mind.
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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 8:52:13 AM

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What a person does sexually absoloutely DOES dictate their sexual orientation.

Although I understand both perspectives, realsumissive and KarbonCopy, I disagree with this statement.
I have topped a lover because he desired it. I hated every minute of it, but did it because I loved him and desired to give him pleasure. Does that make me a top or a switch? Not in the slightest. Simply because someone does something sexually, it does not necessarily define their orientation. I tend to think that motivation for doing the particular act has much to do with orientation.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 9:06:18 AM

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Christene,
If you can't see a difference between acting dominant in a heterosexual context even though you are submissive, and saying you enjoy sucking a man's dick, but your not gay or bisexual if you are another man, then someone has a problem.

Emerald,
If you want to justify satisfying a need or desire for a lesbien encounter by saying I was ordered to do it, then that is your choice.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY should, or could make a totally heterosexual person partake in a homosexual encounter, unless the person being forced has either not made it a point of telling the domme that it is totally unacceptable, or they have been put in a position through force and manipulation thaty they have no choice. i agree with an earlier poster that stated the second would and should automatically become a police matter. If your Dom/me knows you do not accept same sex interaction, and he/she still demands it, then honey you nedd a new Dom, not an attitude that you made him happy.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 9:12:50 AM

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Christene,
If you can't see a difference between acting dominant in a heterosexual context even though you are submissive, and saying you enjoy sucking a man's dick, but your not gay or bisexual if you are another man, then someone has a problem.

realsumissive,

The only difference is the act in the examples.
My example: I did it because he desired it (the only enjoyment I received from the experience).
His example: He did/does it because she desired/desires it.
(According to what he states, it is this act of submission that motivates him to do those things, not the enjoyment of the things.)

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 10:25:02 AM

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No, it means you enjoy obeying and being used for sexual pleasure.

I COULD be ordered t have sex with anyone, whether it's someone I DESIRE to have sex with or not, whether it's a male or a female. I do this because I enjoy obeying, I do this because I enjoy being used.

Actions do not indicate sexual orientation.

Exactly the way i feel about it.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 10:43:50 AM

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I agree with you 100 per cent about people talking before they think. You apparently are at the top of the list. I agree that you are not bi curious. You are definitely bi-sexual in every form. You are the Webster's definition of a bi-sexual male. maybe it would be best if you took some time and thought out what your true sexuality is.

What a person does sexually absoloutely DOES dictate their sexual orientation. If a man is put in a position where he has no choice but to do something against his sexual nature, it doesn't make him a practitioner of that form of sexual identification. However if, as you say, you enjoy being lent out to other males for sexual purposes, then you are bi-sexual. Not an argueable point.

It sounds as if you wish to let the world know that you will accept a penis, but you are so homophobic that you want to justify it and explain it away as something you do for your "owner". And, before you get on with the "so you're a qualified professional" arguement, yes I am.

Its quite surprising to see such a narrow minded opinion in this lifestyle, but I suppose those like you do exist.

Say you like to play baseball with some friends in a field. Does that make you a baseball player?
or what about a game of road hockey? Does that make you a hockey player?

You really need to loosen up and stop accusing people of being a closet case. It's incredibly rude to assume you know what you're talking about, and to cut us down. I know I for one dont appreciate it.

I am not denying my interests and my enjoyment. Of course I like it, thats why I admited it, I'm no closet case, I just dont fall under the catagory of bi sexual.

You are far to black and white, and I suggest you let go of your "up or down" way of thinking and learn to embrasse desire, because in the long run, its desire that takes you places, but it does not tell you who you are.
If you like to play with boys, then play with boys, are you sexually attracted to them? want a relationship with them? then mabey perhaps bi sexuality is a posibility.

Just like to play? then play, but dont dwell on titles like bi sexual, or straight, just play.

I do not desire to be in a relationship with men. I do not find myself sexually attracted to them either. I like to play with different little bits and peices, but if they were on a woman it would basically be the same thing to me.
So think what you want, but spare us your ignorance.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 11:51:13 AM

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Seriously though...isn't someone seeking bisexual experience...bisexual????

Not necessarily.
I am bisexual to the core, I had sexual encounters with women since I was 16.
My husband is straight, he is aroused by women when it comes to simple sex intercourse. But there is more to that - he is mostly aroused by situation and that can involve and does involve other men too.
What turns him on mostly is when I get turned on by something - and since I lately expressed a wish to see him getting blowjob (and other things) by man, he gladly agreed. Not because he is interested in men, but because he is interested in getting me sexually aroused. If that situation made me hot he will get a hard on no matter who is going to be between his legs.
He is very much aroused by seeing me with other men, or me looking and participating at him getting the blowjob from other women. He is kinky and the kink turnes him on (and I gladly go along with that), not the particular sex that participates in that kink.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 12:00:37 PM

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Exactly *points above*

And hey if a guy likes giving head or anal sex does that mean he's bi? lol.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 12:06:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY should, or could make a totally heterosexual person partake in a homosexual encounter, unless the person being forced has either not made it a point of telling the domme that it is totally unacceptable, or they have been put in a position through force and manipulation thaty they have no choice. i agree with an earlier poster that stated the second would and should automatically become a police matter. If your Dom/me knows you do not accept same sex interaction, and he/she still demands it, then honey you nedd a new Dom, not an attitude that you made him happy.

Bingo.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 12:48:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY should, or could make a totally heterosexual person partake in a homosexual encounter, unless the person being forced has either not made it a point of telling the domme that it is totally unacceptable, or they have been put in a position through force and manipulation thaty they have no choice. i agree with an earlier poster that stated the second would and should automatically become a police matter. If your Dom/me knows you do not accept same sex interaction, and he/she still demands it, then honey you nedd a new Dom, not an attitude that you made him happy.

Bingo.

TexasMaam

Still doesnt make the person bi.
Just open minded. And likes to have fun.

Seroiusly how great would it be to be bi? I mean you can walk into any room and be all like "aallrriigghhtt"

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 12:50:45 PM

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Emerald,
If you want to justify satisfying a need or desire for a lesbien encounter by saying I was ordered to do it, then that is your choice.

Do some people justify having bisexual desires by being forced into it? Absolutely.

But that's not universal, and people can be "forced" into sex with someone that they do not have a desire to have sex with, whether it's compatible with their orientation or not.

If anyone stated *I* needed justification to do anything sexual with anyone by being forced into it, they would be obviously very ignorant of who I am.

I'm sorry that you can't understand the difference between obeying and innate desire. Frankly you are saying the same thing as a slave could not be made to make lamb if they were a vegetarian. Following orders has nothing to do with one's innate feelings.

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If your Dom/me knows you do not accept same sex interaction, and he/she still demands it, then honey you nedd a new Dom, not an attitude that you made him happy.

No we're not talking about ACCEPTING same sex interaction, we're talking about DESIRING same sex interaction.

I desire to obey. Whether I desire to obey a specific order or not is irrelevent. If a master were to throw me into a room and say "fuck that guy" I would do it- even if I didn't really WANT to do it, even if it were against my orientation, because what matters is the obedience.

Accepting obedience does not change one's inner orientation- it simply says that inner orientation is irrelevant when it comes to obedience.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 12:51:43 PM

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There's a bit of a distinction between "playing" with males and having sex with them KarbonKopy.

I've beaten my share of male subs, years ago, for technique practice-it wasn't at all sexual for me.

And it in no way makes me bi,to have done that. Now if I had SODOMIZED one,I'd have to count myself as bisexual-or at least bi curious.

Is that what you are speaking of?

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 1:10:15 PM

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And hey if a guy likes giving head or anal sex does that mean he's bi? lol.

I don't see why it is difficult to accept bi if you enjoy having sex with both males and females? I could be wrong, but that is exactly what I call and the dictionary calls Bi=

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Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of either sex.

I certainly wish I had bi tendencies some days. M

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 1:13:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
Frankly you are saying the same thing as a slave could not be made to make lamb if they were a vegetarian. Following orders has nothing to do with one's innate feelings.

Although I am not a slave/sub and have no desires to be ever, I can totally get your meaning.
If I asked my man to have anal sex with some unwilling slave, he would do that
a) to satisfy and arouse me
b) to humiliate the said slave
The said slave would accept anal sex because he wants to obey and satisfy me and probably because he likes to be humiliated.
But still they would both be straight.

Its funny how some people just dont get that getting involved with same sex doesnt mean one is either gay or bisexual. There are so many other motives.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 1:22:13 PM

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I know a few guys who are basically straight hetro guys, yet have a “perverted” interest in being handles by another male sexually as long as they are restrained at the time. All this means is that they want to be able to feel that they have no choice in the matter. Sometimes this is part of a play scene with their wife/partner involved even as part of a cuckold scene. On a normal/vanilla basis there is often no way they would allow a male to get near them… I guess we all have hidden kinks etc which it requires some thing special or different to be there before we can enjoy it. Just my take any way.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 1:25:52 PM

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I certainly wish I had bi tendencies some days. M

M you are tempting. I have that kink about bisexual femdoms.......

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 1:32:48 PM

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There's a bit of a distinction between "playing" with males and having sex with them KarbonKopy.

I've beaten my share of male subs, years ago, for technique practice-it wasn't at all sexual for me.

And it in no way makes me bi,to have done that. Now if I had SODOMIZED one,I'd have to count myself as bisexual-or at least bi curious.

Is that what you are speaking of?

eh, karbon"c"opy

anyways. Just because you've had sex with a man does not make you bi sexual.
Hell even liking it does not make you bi sexual.

To desire relationships with men, to be attracted to men as well as women yes, then that is bi sexuality, which is great.
why not?

But sex is sex. Sexual orientation is different than just having sex.
I wouldnt play with men if I wasnt ordered to. Its not something I like that much, but i'm open enough to just enjoy sex in all its forms.
I"m open minded and sexually liberated, not bi just sexual.
but call me bi if you like. I have absolutely no problem being a bi sexual if thats what you so adamantly insist that I am.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 2:33:46 PM

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By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion.

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